28th of December 2011: Two Roman Catholic Churches in Croatia held memorial masses for Nazi-leader Ante Pavelic.
This is not the memorial mass, but the present Pope kneeling in front of the beautified Nazi area Bishop of Croatia, June 2011. The Nazi legacy lives on.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center condemned a memorial Mass in two Catholic churches in Croatia for Ante Pavelic, the fascist leader of the country under the Nazi regime. The Mass, held Dec. 28 in Zagreb and Split to mark the anniversary of Pavelic’s death in 1959, “is a disgrace for the Croatian people,” Efraim Zuroff, the center’s director in Jerusalem, said in a statement. He called on Croatian authorities to ban commemorations of Pavelic’s death. Under Pavelic’s Ustasha regime during World War II, hundreds of thousands of Serbs, as well as Jewish and Roma civilians, were imprisoned and murdered in Croatian death camps. Zuroff called the Mass “a total ridicule of Christian values” and an insult to Pavelic’s victims. Source: JTA, Jewish News Agency. Lets take a look at some more pictures:
The Roman Catholic cardinal is beautified and adored as a fake wax figure.
Some saints are kept on chemicals, and painted in silver. This Croatian has a golden look.
This phoot is intereresting. Because the lady who wants to kiss the glass coffin has just discovered the red shoes of the wax figure.
The death mask that hangs on the glass coffin is also golden in color.
Was the Roman Catholic Church silent on Nazism before and under World War II? This is a matter of dispute. Disputed, because the Vatican have not opened its war files. The files in Berlin were destroyed. The Vatican relations with the Nazi proxy regime in Croatia, expose the nexus. Not only were the Roman Catholic priests and bishops active supporters of the Pavelic-regime. Even today the Roman Catholics in Croatia hail the memories of the Nazis. The late Pope has done his best to please his subjects in Croatia. John Paul II beautified the local Cardinal Aloysius Stepinac who hailed Pavelic. The Present Pope kneeled and prayed in front of the wax corpse of the beautified bishop during his visit to Croatia 4th of June 2011. 87,8 of the population in Croatia are Roman Catholics. This is what Wikipedia has recorded about Nazi leader Ante Pavelic and Bishop Stepinac.
During World War II, on 6 April 1941, Yugoslavia was invaded by Nazi Germany and its allies. The (Allied) Yugoslav forces maintained a defense up until 17 April. On 10 April 1941, the Wehrmacht occupied Zagreb. Having previously agreed to form a Croatian satellite, the Germans and Italians established therein the Independent State of Croatia, and installed the Ustaše movement into power. Fiercely nationalistic, the Ustaše were also fanatically Catholic. In the Yugoslav political context, they identified Catholicism with Croatian nationalism and, once established in power, set about persecuting and murdering non-Catholics. As the archbishop of the capital, Stepinac enjoyed close associations with the Ustaše leaders. Stepinac publicly exhorted his hierarchy to pray for the Independent State of Croatia, and publicly called for God to “fill the Ustaše leader, Ante Pavelić, with a spirit of wisdom for the benefit of the nation”. Source: Wikipedia
Here are some picture of these two war criminals:
Ante Pavelic visits Adolf Hiter in Berchtsgarden in Bayern on 9th of June 1941.
Pavelic (left) does a Nazi salute. Bishop Stepinac extreme right. (1941)
Pope John Paul II, surrounded by Roman Catholic clergy, praying in front of remains of Aloysius Stepinac, responsible for the genocide of 750.000 Serbs, 60.000 Jews and 30.000 Gypsies massacred in the name of religious purification. The Pope beatified Stepinac in Croatia on October 3, 1998.
Pavelic and Stepinac attending Roman Catholic mass together (1942).
Archbishop Stepinac and the papal nuncio Marcone leave a celebration; behind them is a German General.
Late Pope John Paul II beautified the Nazi-area Bishop in Croatia.
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
John the Apostle saw the first Messianic Jews being massacred, and taught that the last hours were there. He thought is could not get much worse. It could.
Matthew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Jeg har nettopp sendt saker om dette, pluss sviket mot det serbiske folket i forfalskningen av massakren i Srebrenica til Norge IDAG. Vil du be om at de våger å trykke dem?
Dear, Ivar, Thank you for the text about the mass for Pavelic. I come from one of the ex Yugoslav countries and I am familiar with what happened during second World War in Croatia to non-catholics. Is it is possible to get a translation of Lars-Toralf S. comment and yours above please, cause I would like to hear what does he say about Srebrenica. I have to say that I see you know about this issue (Croatian nacism) quite a lot. Thank you.
Dear Montenegro. Shalom. There is no secrets in my shot communication with Lars Toralf. I just questioned Him to give me a link to a claimed fabrication of the Srebrenica massacre. I am not aware of this kind of fabrications, but have always trusted the information given by the Bosnian government, the UN and NATO.
Dear Genus. Shalom. You wrote: I notice that propaganda on the 1940-1945 is believed by the blogger. May he than be thankful to me also, for pointing out, that Adolph Hitler was a Roman Catholic, that Adolph Hitler would sign a Concordat with the Vatican in 1933, as soon as he was in power. My reply: I will surely be thankful to you, also….For commenting on this blog. But I wounder what kind of propaganda “the blogger” has published from the “1940-1945″? Kindly explain this to me, so I can correct my self.
Dear Geus. Shalom. When I read your comments, i understand that from the conspire theorists camp, I am a quite liberal critics of the Vatican. Good to know. Let me take your points one by one: Dresden: You wrote: Off course Dresden was not the only city that was bombed…. My reply: If Dresden was the only city that was destroyed, there may be were something in your theory. But unfortunately, two million Germans were killed during the Bombers command carpet bombings of Nazi-Germany in 1944-45. The fireball’s that destroyed larger sections of Hamburg, killed more people than in Dresden. Also the people of Berlin, faced an allied massacre. The US and UK bombed the city from the air, and Russians slaughtered the Germans on the ground. All wars are a horrible crime against humanity. I agree that the attack on Dresden, was a war crime. There was no justification, other than pure revenge for the blitz on London. Dresden was poorly defended by German air defense system. The city was raped from the air. So was the US nuclar attack on Hirosima. Any Jesuits involved in that bombing too?
Dear Geus. Shalom. You wrote: Another important fact, is that British and other Western Asian troops where shocked by the massacre of Southern baptists at Omaha beach at D-Day 1944. The top military of the American Army would use the opportunity to kill American non-Catholics. My comment: I did not know that there ever have been a census done, over the fallen US soldiers on Omaha beach. In fact, this is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And believe me: I have read a lot of strange stuff. Do you really believe that German Nazi-General in Omaha, Normandie, got a list over Southern Baptists from the US generals? And that this list included where these young soldiers were told to run on the beach? Have you gone completely insane? There were 1200 Germans killed during this horrible battle. To try to count the total number of Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists who were killed, is a mad mans calculation
Dear Geus Shalom. You wrote: If you do not know about Omaha Beach in 1944, you might not understand what I try to convey. My reply: ?…?? I am not sure you are completely “with us”. I will spam all the comments you have published so fare. I have never done that before, but it is for your own protection. Do you read me? I will look for your comments in the spam filter. If I see some repentance, I will permit you to continue.
Dear all readers. Shalom. I have spammed Geus. Please reply if I address you. This is a comment field, and the spam button will be used when it is necessary. Keep in mind that Jehovah Witnesses and Latter day saints, (Mormons) do not use crosses.
Off course he (Alojzije Stepinac) was a war criminal. In Jasenovac in Croatia there was a war camp like Aushwitz, except in additiion to Jews and Gypses the majority of victims were Serbs and Montenegrins (orthodox Slavs). The plan of the Nazi Croatia was to get rid of the ortodox people living in its territory by either killing them, forcing them to accept catholicism or drive them away (the lucky ones). Unfortunatelly even today there are many followers of this ideology in Croatia.
Rome has always been anti-semitic. It was the Romans who performed the first holocaust that killed somewhere around 10 million jews. That happened shortly after the fall of Israel and the destruction of the second temple in 70AD. Then there was countless other jews killed during the crusades and inquisitions. Hitler even found inspiration from what used to be commonly known Catholic history of ghettos, yellow stars and camps. Now you have to dig deep and hard to find that recorded history. You will face great persecution for trying to expose those crimes in this day and age. It is a fact that Hitler modeled his holocaust after Pagan Rome and the Roman Catholic Church’s persecution of the jews. Hitler also worked with arab muslims who wanted to help destroy the jews. The book “Petrus Romanus” by Tom Horn and Cris Putnam does a decent jobs at explaining all of this.
The claimed incorrupt body of St. Didacus of Alcala is located in Madrid. He is the patron saint of the city of San Diego in California.
This skull in Spain is the remains of the protector of San Diego, US.
The remain of Saint Diego of Alcala is kept in a 17th century silver urn inside the Cathedral in Alcalá de Henares in Madrid. His claimed “untouched” body is shown to the public every year, on his feast of November 13th. This is written on a Roman Catholic website. On Saturday November 13th the city of Alcalá de Henares returned to San Diego to honor the occasion of your feast. All day crowd of faithful came to the Cathedral to venerate the saint’s incorrupt body, exposed in front of the altar ark. Lets take a look at some pictures.
A Catholic faithful touches the glass protecting the dressed up “holy skull”.
A devoted Catholic family looks at the corpse inside the silver box.
This skull in Spain do look very corruptible to me. Even some teeth have gone missing, or simply sold as relics.
If you read wikipedia, you will be presented by one of the claimed miracles that lead to the canonization of this “saint”.
On a hunting trip, Henry IV of Castile fell from his horse and injured his arm. In intense pain and with his doctors unable to relieve his agony, he went to Alcalá and prayed to Didacus for a cure. The saint’s body was removed from his casket and placed beside the king. Henry then kissed the body and placed the saint’s hand on his injured arm. The king felt the pain disappear and his arm immediately regained its former strength
Source: Wikipedia: Another Roman Catholic website has recorded the last words of this claimed “saint”
With his eyes fixed on the crucifix, he breathed forth his soul on November 12, 1463, saying the words, “O faithful wood, O precious nails! You have borne an exceedingly sweet burden, for you have been deemed worthy to bear the Lord and King of heaven.”
Here are some few more pictures:
The Spanish Catholics are called to pray in front of the silver urn.
The local Bishop offer incense to the skull, worshiping the dead.
The Bishop adore the skull, and kisses the silver urn.
The silver urn with the skull if kept in the “Church” for adoration and worship.
My comment: That the Spanish king “kissed the skeleton” to get healed, is a quite grotesque examples of religious necrophilia. Also taking a piece of a dead mans flesh into his own dwellings. Still this event is quite Biblical, but in a rather negative manner.
Luke 17:37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
Jesus the Messiah is speaking about the people who will be left behind, the enemies of the truth. The apostles of Jesus were asking, where will these people go? The Messiah was bluntly spoke about the walking dead, worshiping the dead and death.
Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
I have written more than 50 articles about Roman Catholics worship of bones, corpses and skulls. But I have found few better examples than this. This example of idolatry is blunt, blasphemous and ongoing. Even on his dying bed, this “saint” proclaimed blasphemy, honoring created things.“O faithful wood, O precious nails!”. The images of Roman Catholic worship of the corruptible remains of a human being, is quote disturbing. It is difficult to understand the claims of religious “incorruptibility” Even a small child can recognize this rotten stuff. The pictures of the skull do not need any further explanation. May Jesus the Messiah have mercy on these deceived souls. So that they can repent, and stop spoiling the name of the true and living God. Written by Ivar
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
Roman Catholic priests venerate, adore and worship in front of a skeleton.
“Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
The Vatican priests carry the skeleton on their shoulders, in front of faithful Catholics.
Do you still wounder how Roman Catholic Priests becomes deceased hypocrites, and rape young children? This must be some of the most brilliant pictures, that expose Roman Catholic priests worship of corpses, skulls and bones. What kind of spiritual force, can make a man stand an pray in front of corpses and skeletons? It is a disgrace than any true Christian can brand the Vatican death cult, as a part of the Christian family. Such perverts as we can see on these pictures, prove that this priesthood breeds anti-Christs on the surface of the Earth. Source: Flickr This photo was taken on September 10, 2010.
Numbers 19:16 “Anyone out in the open who touches someone who has been killed with a sword or someone who has died a natural death, or anyone who touches a human bone or a grave, will be unclean for seven days.
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19 Responses to Catholic priests worship corpse of Saint Ubaldo
These people are stone certifiably NUTS! They remind me of the prophets of Baal that Elijah dealt with ,,,and destroyed many! Yet they continue to deceive young people into getting involved with spirits that get them to ‘cut themselves’…and/or any crazy idea of memorializing the dead on the Internet, talking to the dead.. How so very sad…truly these need to be held accountable for the sheep that go through the broken down fences by Pastors that are not after the Heart of God but are after ‘Gain’…!! at the expense of the sheep being left out for the wolves to pick what is left of them after they are so deceived they’d go anywhere with anyone to get some form of relief…but will refuse the Love, Healing and Help of The Lord of Glory!
Hi, Ivar, How was your vacation or are you still on it? This practice is truly disgusting! It is insane. The only One we worship is God or Jesus-not a man! I liked your quote. I also thought of on of the Ten Commandments, although we are under a new law with Jesus-”You shall have no other gods before me.” There is nothing in the Bible that says to worship dead men.
Are they worshipping the dead to get special powers from the spirit of the dead? Otherwise why else would they want to worship someone or something who cannot see, cannot hear, cannot speak and cannot move physically? This world is about ‘power, money & sex” … Excuse me, I gotta go, I wanna puke!!
Catholics do not worship saints or corpses!!! Prayer to saints is exactly the same thing as asking our fellow Christians to pray for us – especially seeking out particularly devout or holy people, those sometimes called Prayer Warriors, etc. We ask others to pray with us and for us, and because we believe that for those who are members of His Body, death does not separate us, we continue to ask for their prayers after they have passed into eternity and into His Presence. Necromancy is summoning the spirits of the dead for the purpose of trying to obtain knowledge that is beyond us, or influencing events by some (presumed) supernatural power. And yet, Protestants requesting “praying over” the afflicted or those who need spiritual support? Now just think about that. How can one ask anyone else, or those who belong to that congregation, to pray for others and yet find it disdainful for Catholics to ask a saint to intercede for me? The Saints in Heaven are alive and with God. “He is not the God of Dead, but of the Living” (Mark 12:26-27). In Mark 9: 4, Jesus is seen conversing with Moses and Elijah. Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you when you were having a hard time? Why did you choose to ask that person? You may have chosen someone you could trust, or someone who understood your problem, or someone who was close to God. Those are all reasons we ask saints to pray for us in times of trouble. Since saints led holy lives and are close to God in heaven, we feel that their prayers are particularly effective. Often we ask particular saints to pray for us if we feel they have a particular interest in our problem. For example, many people ask Saint Monica to pray for them if they have trouble with unanswered prayers, because Monica prayed for twenty years for her son to be converted. Finally her prayers were answered in a way she never dreamed of — her son, Augustine, became a canonized saint and a Doctor of the Church.
John, Nice explanation, but to me it’s “sheer baloney” because I heard and read such explanations time and time again and knowing the true history of the catholic system I don’t waste my time on such explanations from catholics anymore. Catholics hardly study nor seriously follow the Bible in order to learn the truth. For the Word of G-d is the Truth and the Truth will set you free. My friend you are in BONDAGE like all catholics. Get out of her now or you will face damnation. …….John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Yeshua(Jesus Christ). …….John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. ……John 14:6 “Yeshua(Jesus) said; I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER, EXCEPT THROUGH ME.” Now is that clear enough from the very mouth of the Son-of-God Yeshua(Jesus)? There is no mention at all anywhere in the Bible where He said; …….. “If you have sinned or have a request, then go to my mother Mary or some saints or some friends, or some mummified dead bodies etc. to pray for you and through them I will hear your prayers and take it to the father”. In fact once when a woman in the crowd said to HIM and tried to exalt his mother, by saying; …….. Luke 11:27 Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the breasts which thou didst suck… But he said On the contrary; ………Luke 11:28 Rather, Blessed are those who hear the WORD of God and obey. (Adam & Eve fell because of DISOBEDIENCE right??) He could have very well said, ‘yes I was born through her, she is holy, so worship her’… but Mary is a ROYAL JEW from the line of King David and was chosen to give birth to the Savior … She is certainly not a BABYLONIAN GODDESS to be worshiped nor is it right to pray to anyone other than Yehsua(Jesus) HIMSELF!!
….One says…Catholics do not worship saints or corpses!!! …..Yes they do! Denying it don’t make the facts go away…Amen to above it’s really useless to even give credence to any catholic who denies what they do in “Open and in Darkness”
Dear Andrea Shalom. You wrote: .One says…Catholics do not worship saints or corpses!!! …..Yes they do! My reply: After taking a look at the skull and bone files on this site, it is amazing that Roman Catholics are not able to accept the grim realities on the ground. I guess they do not do, because they are in spiritual bondage to the anti-Christ in the Vatican and his priests. Its their choice.
Shalom Ivar, You know, even though I knew that worshiping the dead or their bones was to derive powers from their spirits … yet all this time it never really occurred to me about the .. “Occult practices of “skull & bones” … but when you mentioned —-> [[... After taking a look at the skull and bone files .......]] —> it did ring the bell loud and clear as to what this veneration of cadavers and their skulls and bones is all about….huumm!!! I’m generally not a tube-light LOL!! But I guess sometimes I do need someone to turn on that switch in my mind …. so thank you!!
Dear Jes. Shalom. I have become quite an expert on the topic of Roman Catholic skulls and bones. I wounder where I can get job, and earn some money using my pathological insight? I guess some kind of Museum is the best alternative. I would rather reject a call to become a Roman Catholic priest.
Your right Andrea!! Frankly, the veneration to the dead is to derive powers from that evil spirit and the devil himself. Let’s not forget this is the OCCULT RELIGION. Majority of catholics do not know this, they just follow these occultists like sheep … and indeed, they are the totally Lost Sheep. And yes, Ivar, I agree with you too and most of the priests themselves do not know what they are really into and so they swim through these dark waters.
To John: Fine so Christians pray for each other … Which is what you say we do when we pray to catholic saints! But that does not then make sense to worship or parade their dead & decayed bodies around for veneration. That is truly NOT right. And a clear sign to us in the Church that all is not as we were taught…
……and indeed, they are the totally Lost Sheep….. how can they be ”lost sheep”..Those sheep pray to Mary.They have to be found first….they have to be HIS FIRST….and Believe….dear heart…anyone who has really met JESUS …will not run into the arms of a perverted death filled arms of Satan! For if they do there is no repentance for them…I have seen this nation and11 other nations who believe they are Free…have Mollycoddled people and put that watered down religion in the pulpit…it’s a lie straight from the pits of hell…We are to be meed true, patient true.,gentle true, but we are not to Lie..or pervert the Gospel ..John voiced the truth…Jesus did too, all the Apostles and Disciples did too…they are examples..Its’ hard to find Christians today…set apart..they are more interested in ”not offending the godless, they want to make sure they keep that ‘Non profit ticket to rake in the money..They are not persecuted for their faith….because their faith lines up with Pharaoh’s faith…only when they don’t line up with Pharaoh’s faith will they find out that they chose the wrong side of the fence,,
The earliest Scriptural reference to prayers for the dead comes in the second book of Maccabees. The books of Maccabees were among the latest written books found in the Old Testament. They recount the struggle of the Jewish people for freedom against the Seleucid Empire, around 100-200 years before the birth of Christ. They were written from an Orthodox Jewish point of view. The second book of Maccabees, the Jewish leader, led his troops into battle in 163 BC. When the battle ended, he directed that the bodies of those Jews who had died be buried. As soldiers prepared their slain comrades for burial, they discovered that each was wearing an amulet taken as a booty from a pagan Temple. This violated the law of Deuteronomy and so Judas and his soldiers prayed that God would forgive the sin these men had committed (2 Maccabees 12:39-45). This is the first indication in the Bible that prayers offered by the living can help free the dead from any sin that would separate them from God in the life to come. It is echoed in the New Testament when Paul offers a prayer for a man named Onesiphorus who had died: “May the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that day” (2 Timothy 1:18). The cavelike tombs under the city of Rome, which we call catacombs, bear evidence that members of the Roman Christian community gathered there to pray for their fellow followers of Christ who lay buried there. The practice of praying for the dead is rooted first in the Christian belief in the everlasting life promised in Jesus’ teachings and fore-shadowed by his disciple’s experience that God had raised him from the dead. After death, even though separated from our earthly body, we yet continue a personal existence. It is as living persons that God invites us into a relationship whose life transcends death. Praying for the dead has further origins in our belief in the communion of saints. Members of this community who are living, often assist each other in faith by prayers and other forms of spiritual support. Christians who have died continue to be members of the communion of saints. We believe that we can assist them by our prayers, and they can assist us by theirs. Our prayers for the dead express hope that God will free the person who has died from any burden of sin and prepare a place for him or her in heaven. Death remains a mystery for us – a great unknown. Yet Christian language evokes a hopeful imagination in the presence of death, an assurance that our love, linked to Christ’s love, can help bridge whatever barriers might keep those whom we love from fully enjoying the presence of a loving and life-giving God
Dear Liam. Shalom. You wrote: The earliest Scriptural reference to prayers for the dead comes in the second book of Maccabees. The books of Maccabees were among the latest written books found in the Old Testament. My reply: You are not here to debate. You are here to publish Vatican booklets. Whatever we write and explain to you, you will never repent. Like all other Papists. You are distributing lies. The second book of Maccabees was rejected in the Hebrew cannon, simply because its a historical Chronicle, with lots of faulty copies, all originally written in Greek. It was also rejected by the Church fathers, who closed the Biblical cannon around 400 A.D. The Pope re-opened the cannon in 1540 A.D, to take in earlier banished books. He needed to defend anti-Biblical papal doctrines. Like salvation by works, and praying to the dead and departed souls. The Pope needed to use Hellenism, to defend his spiritual corruption and idolatry. Even some copies of good old King James had these faulty books in the apendix. (additional texts). Liam. Your time is up on this blog. You will never accept Jesus of the Bible.
This behaviour is truely disgusting by anyones standards…..I Did read a story of the goings on in the lower parts of the Vatican ,and this here now confirms to me that they truly are Evil doings aloft….the said piece was that way below in the vaults at the tomb of the Pope John 2nd they worship his remains but not in the usual way their plan there is to try to raise the Antichrist through Pope John ( who personally thought & still do was a great man not like the others )…….and they have the sign of the Anti christ on his coffin …weird and very distasteful…..i really believe there is lots more going on down there………….What a sick & bizzare thing this is….we will never rid the world of this evil.in the Vatican for gods sakes give me a break……there is NO Catholic church no more….this being a prime example…
A dead body , a corpse, whats it doing on display dressed up, it should be 6 ft under mate unless you plan on raising it from the dead. Turn to Jesus, Jesus alone, no so called saint, those whom have repented and follow Christ are saints according to the Bible but I don’t want you to pray to me despite the fact I may be interested in your issues. I’m happy to pray for you though but I dont pray to no one but my Father through Jesus His beloved Son. As nice and honourable a lady Mary was/is, she too needed a saviour and would direct you to Him not to her.
There are 800 “Holy Skulls” inside the Otranto Cathedral in Southern Italy. Hundreds of them overlook the alter with an idol of Mother and child.
Hundreds of skulls looks down at the alter of this Catholic Chuch in Southern Italy.
The official Roman Catholic story is:
“According to the Roman Martyrology, August 14, the Church remembers and venerates “… the approximately eight hundred martyrs of Otranto, in Puglia, pressured to renounce the faith after the crushing assault of the Ottoman soldiers in 1480 A.D.
The idol of Madonna and Child have quite a few onlookers.
They were exhorted by blessed Antonio Primaldo, an elderly tailor, to persevere in Christ, and thus through decapitation they obtained the crown of martyrdom.”
A Bible verse comes to my mind:
Revelation 17:6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
You have to be very choosy nowadays, because it is possible in our days, to sit a cry from the morning to the evening.
This is the Church of Ortranto.
This chapel is found in the suburb of Kutna Hora in the Czech Republic. There are not less than 40.000 human skeletons inside this Roman Catholic Chapel in the Czech Republic.
40.000 people in Prague have to look for the skulls of their relatives inside the decorations of this Church.
Each skull inside The Skull Chapel in Sedlec in the suburb of Kutna Hora in the Czech Republic has a silent story to tell.
Both skulls and angels have been used to decorate the full church.
First When I have seen a bony Roman Catholic Sun monstrance with a skull in its center, I can fully understand the wickedness of the dead end that “Eucharist celebration” truly represent.
A Catholic monstrance that holds the wafer of the Eucharist.
The bony Catholic monster’ance in this Church in Prague.
Roman Catholic symbol made with bones of dead people.
And just when you thought you could no longer be shocked by conducts of religious people: If you have never seen Satanic art, this might still catch you by surprise.
A priceless example of how dead people can decorate a full Church. Not only look down on people from the ceiling. But also reappear as a chandelier to please the Vatican.
This is the official explanation:
The skeletons have been artistically arranged to form decorations and furnishings for the chapel. All the bones were the victims of the Silesian wars and epidemics.
When I look at the pictures from this Roman Catholic Chapel, I simply do not find words than explain my feelings. But I know that none of these butchers and people who call them ‘Holy” shall not escape the fire of Hell. You have to be extremely evil, to be able to find more demonic inspired art than in this chapel. Everything inside this “Church”is made of skulls and bones. From the light holders to the very furnitures. Here is a Bible verse that can express the men who made this, and took inspiration from the botomless pit. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth Is there anybody on the face of the Earth who after reading this article, can not see that this verse fits perfectly on the Roman Catholic priesthood? Written by Ivar
MAMMA MIA!! WHAT IS THIS CRAP!! I feel sick to the pit of my stomach. Sheesh!! Good Lord Jesus how can the Catholic people be so blind to let this evil pass over their eyes? I’ve seen too much of this since the past few days and it’s as if I have been surveying a museum in hell. Lord Jesus cover me and others using this blog with Your Precious Blood and keep us under the shadow of Your Wings for protection… Amen. This is truly evil … a cult and the occult.
Ivar, I am so glad you are writing these stories about the bones. This is beyond disgusting and seems to be a celebration of death. Thank you for writing about this… Sue
Dear Sue. Shalom. It might seem to be close to impossible but. Tomorrow I will publish something more shocking. And be prepared for a rocky week ahead. Because I have found information that needs to be exposed. Jesus said: Matthew 10:25-27 It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household! “So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. (end of scriptures) Like Elijah, we must not be afraid to expose the evil deeds of darkness done by these blunt Baal worshipers.
Dear Dave. Shalom. A small Roman Catholic piece of Hell on Earth. I will put this video up on the blog shortly. Revelation 6:10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
First of all the explanation of”1 Timothy 4:1-3″ is wrong. It says nothing about priests not being able to marry. These churches with the bones are not trying to show any demonic symbolism. Remember the time period this church was built. these bones are a symbol of the devout catholics that were killed for there faith… it is a great honor to know that while you spirit lays in heaven for dying for your faith your body lays in the church were Jesus is present… Once again fellow loving Christians these skulls are not there because of some demonic symbolism but there to show the people that died for Jesus by believing in him. I love you and thank you for reading… please get more information before you try to condemn the church and dont be so close minded.
Peace Jacob, First of all the explanation of”1 Timothy 4:1-3″ is wrong. It says nothing about priests not being able to marry. Indeed, it does not mention priests, as the Bible does not mention priests as being a part of a Christian church whatsoever. Remember the time period this church was built. these bones are a symbol of the devout catholics that were killed for there faith… it is a great honor to know that while you spirit lays in heaven for dying for your faith your body lays in the church were Jesus is present
Acts 17:24 The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
Jesus does not dwell in earthly temples, but in His temple: you, me, and all of mankind. Those who die in Christ will be in His presence, no matter where it is their body lies. Dying for the faith isn’t about honor because all true Christians are unquestionably willing to contend. Once again fellow loving Christians these skulls are not there because of some demonic symbolism but there to show the people that died for Jesus by believing in him. Whether or not their intent is sincere, this display is one of death, and Jesus conquers death. Those who believe in Him will never truly die, as it is written. please get more information before you try to condemn the church and dont be so close minded. We must be close-minded, for Satan so ever wishes to be let in. My mind is closed, but my heart is open.
Come out of her!! Rev. 18!! http://natsab.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/come-out-of-her/ And this includes the Protestant daughters who have continued sun worship and pagan syncretism in the NON-biblical holidays of christmas and easter. Abba!! Open eyes! Unstop ears!! Please! Time is so short!
I500 protestors of the Popes visit in Rio forced the Pontiff to proceed using a helicopter. An effigy of the Pontiff was burned.
The Pope is safe, protected by the President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff.
Pope Francis had to arrive at his welcoming reception at Guanabara Palace in Rio de Janeiro by helicopter on Monday night as protests gathered outside during his first foreign trip to Brazil. The Pontiff’s plans were changed at the last minute after around 1,500 demonstrators arrived and burned an effigy tied to a lamppost. There were later clashes with police as officers tried to disperse the crowd with six detained and at least three injured. Source: The Telegraph, and Gloria TV.
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
Here is another source: But just after Pope Francis left a meeting with President Dilma Rousseff riot police used tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon on hundreds of protesters demonstrating against the £35 million cost of the visit. The 76-year-old was lifted into the heavens above the state governor’s palace by helicopter to avoid the protests. Source: The Morning Star Online, UK.
Angry protestors burn an effigy of the Pope, claiming waist of public money as reason.
Photo ~ People burn an effigy of Rio de Janeiro’s state Governor Sergio Cabral as atheists and the Anonymous protest group demonstrate against the money spent on the pope’s visit, while Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff offers a welcoming ceremony for Pope Francis at the Guanabara Palace, seat of the city’s government, in Rio de Janeiro, on July 22, 2013. — PHOTO: AFP
After he left, police fired tear gas to disperse protests against both the government and the cost of the visit. (The BBC) My comment: The global media do not seems to give the World a fair coverage of the Popes visit to Brazil. No doubt, all nations have ambassadors in the Vatican, honoring the “Holy see”. Keep also in mind that all who oppose the Pope is not evangelical Christians. Many secular people have called the bluff and the crimes of the Roman Catholic Church. Radicals who use violence are not followers of Jesus the Messiah. All use of violence is regrettable.
The truth is hard. The Pope supports dictatorship.
Some of the riot police used tear gas against the protestors.
Other police officers tried to stop protestors from leaving home.
A lot of people gathered to see the burning of an effigy of the Pope
First: It must be said that Jesus the Messiah also escaped people who tried to kill him. But using neither donkeys, nor helicopters, The Messiah just walked right through the crowed. Second: Jesus never called the police on those who opposed Him. Nor did any of his disciples. The Pope represents a Church that supported fascism and military dictatorship in Brazil for decades. The Worldly and fleshy authority granted this religious movement the right to become the state religion, controlling the faith of people from their infancy. Not unlike how Catholicism became state religion in Fascist Italy from 1929 to 1944. In their millions, Brazilians have now discerned the Papacy of not being a seat of Christianity. The Pontiff and his priesthood represent corruption, falsehood and spiritual bondage to what is wrong. Since the Pope is a false Apostle, they do no longer wants his curses on their soil. True Evangelical Christianity still stand on the reformation. If the curses shall be broken over the land, the Papacy needs to be shown the door. Written by Ivar
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Activists in Brazil say they will also gather “to protest the 90 million dollars in public spending for the papal visit”.
The “Pope” rests in the sand on Copacabana beach in Rio.
Some 10,000 police officers and more than 14,000 soldiers will be on duty during the pope’s visit, and six Brazilian military aircraft will provide transportation for the pontiff. The helicopters will let Francis avoid Rio’s snarled traffic and the dangers of land travel. This is Pope Francis’ first international visit. Latin America’s first Pope arrived in Brazil on Monday to attend a youth festival in the world’s biggest catholic country amid what state security officials have said is ”the biggest police operation” in Rio de Janeiro’s history.
More and more Brazilians have understood that they have lived in bondage to an anti-Christ.
A poll conducted in June this year by the Folha Group showed that 57 per cent of Brazilians call themselves Catholic today, a drop from the 64 per cent six years ago. Source: The Brick Post My comment: While Jesus the Messiah said “My kingdom is not of the world”, the Popes kingdoms are very much of this world.
A Christians from Brazil in Jerusalem.
For Brazil to spend 90 million dollars during the Pope’s visit, makes the pontiff one of the most fleshy spender of public money. It is huge disgrace, that the claimed “Vicar of Christ” loots this thread world country for its public funds. No doubt, that most Brazilians are able to see what kind of antichrist they have been following. While more than 90 per cent of the Brazilians were Roman Catholics one generation ago, only 54 per cent consider them selves Catholic today. Brazil has witness the most spectacular revival of evangelical Christianity, since the Reformation 500 years ago.
I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
The new Evangelical Christians in Brazil, are not only renouncing the cult of the Vatican. They are also embracing Christian Zionism, and support the Jewish state of Israel. For many years the Brazil have been the number one nation, being the largest group in the Jerusalem march, during the feat of tabernacles, in Hebrew the feast of “Sukkot”. Surely Brazil is on of the main battlefield of Christianity on Earth. 500 years of bondage to the false Christendom presented by the Papacy seems to be broken. Written by Ivar
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I hope it is true that they are embracing the “truth” and becoming Born again, and not experiencing what we in America is experiencing with the New Age teachings, Kingdom now theology, false teaching across the board! A little leaven has crept in unawares and now the doe is rising! I know Catholic’s who have left the Catholic church for new Age teaching and gnosticsm. Reading books such as ‘The book of St. Thomas’, that they claim was left out of the Bible. Most of the books is Christian stores is pure Junk food!
Corpses of dead Popes are kept in the crypt in the Vatican. The body of Pope Celestino V is kept in the open in Central Italy.
The former Pope pray besides the remains of Pope Celestino V.
Catholic worship of corpses, skulls and bones has its origin in the crypt in St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican. A total of 91 popes are buried in crypts in the grotto in St. Peters Basilica in Rome. This including popes like Innocent IX, Benedicts XII and XV, Pius XI and Paul VI. But not all the Popes are buried and kept for display inside the Vatican. Pope Celestino is kept in the open of St. Maria of Collemaggio Church in L’Aquila in central Italy. The roof this Church came down during the earthquake on April 6th 2009.
The Pope pray in front of the corpse of a Pope, who died 700 years ago.
The Pope touch the glass coffin, and lead other Catholic priest into worship of the dead Pontiff.
This is the official story of the Pope, who pay “homage” to a dead pope.
Pope Benedict XVI blesses the faithful in front of the remains of Pope Celestine V at the end of a mass in Sulmona, Italy, Sunday, July 4, 2010. The Pontiff had traveled to the central Italian town to pay homage to Celestine V, the 13th-century hermit pontiff who resigned after saying he was not up to the task. Benedict urged the faithful Sunday to learn from Celestine’s sober and simple life. He praised Celestine for his detachment from material things such as money and clothes.
The Pope paied “homage”to the only Pope that has resigned from the Papacy. Not only did he resigned, but he was arrested by the Pope that succeeded him.
Pope Celestine knew he was ill prepared for the papacy, and actually resigned from the Petrine office on December 13, 1294. Now back to being “Fra Pietro”, he had hoped to return to hermetical life. But his successor, Pope Boniface VIII, feared that the ex-pope could be used in an attempt to unseat him. The Pope confined him to a house arrest, and though he managed to escape for a time, he was eventually confined to a tower in Castel Fumone. There, though not mistreated, he died of an infection from an absess on May 19, 1296. His remains were transferred to Sta. Maria di Colemaggio in 1317.
This contact between the Pope and a dead Pope, sets the example for worship of corpses, skulls and bones in the Roman Catholic Church.
Did Pope Celestinie V die with his shoes on? The Pope greets the crowed who have already been lead into prayer and worship.
This is the place Pope Celestino V was put up for display. Before the earthquake in central Italy brought his remains down on the floor.
There is absolutely no Bible verse that approve digging up the dead from their grave. Neither is there any Biblical defense for keeping corpses, skulls and bones for display inside Churches and Chapels. Many Catholics will be surprised, by the high numbers of corpses of Popes, who have been kept inside the Vatican. But any dead Popes are put on display in Churches in other Italian cities. We need to investigate this matter, and look at pictures of this pagan practice. The Papal system has kept more dead persons for display, than Communist Russia ever did in the Kremlin in Moscow. From Wikipedia:
There are over 100 tombs within St. Peter’s Basilica (extant to various extents), many located in the Vatican grotto, beneath the Basilica. These include 91 popes, St. Ignatius of Antioch, Holy Roman Emperor Otto II, and the composer Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina. Exiled Catholic British royalty James Francis Edward Stuart and his two sons, Charles Edward Stuart and Henry Benedict Stuart, are buried here, having been granted asylum by Pope Clement XI. Also buried here are Maria Clementina Sobieska, wife of James Francis Edward Stuart, Queen Christina of Sweden, who abdicated her throne in order to convert to Catholicism, and Countess Matilda of Tuscany, supporter of the Papacy during the Investiture Controversy. The most recent interment was Pope John Paul II, on April 8, 2005. Beneath, near the crypt, is the recently discovered vaulted fourth-century “Tomb of the Julii”.
Plenty of Popes are kept for display inside the crypt in St. Peter Basillica in the Vatican statehood.
The corpse of pope Paul XXIII looks a litle bit like Santa Claus.
The red dress and the read cap makes this waxed body look very different from other corpses.
This dead Pope is not put for public display. The Vatican priests even offer Mass at the altar, on top of the tomb of “Blessed John XXIII”. The priest who offer the mass, is Dom Louis Marie, Abbot of Le Barroux.
A Catholic mass is offerd, with a corpse of a dead Pope inside the altar.
The source of this photo: Not all the dead Popes are put for display inside the Vatican. This is a picture of the Tomb of St. Pius V in the Church of St. Mary Major.
This dead Pope is put for display on the wall of a Church in Italy.
Let me say first, I’m Jewish. This practice is rather strange. I thought Catholics were ALOT like Jews. A Jew would NEVER do this. This is like disturbing the body, which is prohibited. This is odd. Another thing that I never understood was the celibacy thing for priests. The leaders of the Jewish faith were COMMANDED to live a life that would be an EXAMPLE to the people. Rabbis and Kohen’s are supposed to get married, have children, take care of their communities, honor their parents and be honorable. What kind of an EXAMPLE can these priests be? How would they know how to interact with the people that they supposedly LEAD? They know nothing of LIFE, so how could they lead in LIFE? Also, they disobey the commandment of g-d, that says to be prolific. One can be prolific in many ways, but one factor HAS to be there and that is to LIVE life among the people. A woman who is barren can have many children, because she can adopt and do other things and so can men. They can tutor boys and guide the boys that may not have a proper male figure, yet still, these MEN must be living IN the life of the people and not OUTSIDE that LIVING EXPERIENCE. So, I DON’T understand. This seems like a very big difference to me as it touches on many commands from g-d that these “priests?” are actually required to NOT do. This seems ANTI – G-d. I’m sorry to sound so critical. I’m just not able to see how this reconciles with Judaism. I suppose thats why it’s Catholicism and not Judaism. But other Christians have pastors and they CAN get married and do live among the people, so I don’t get it.
Hi txlady706 and thanks for not just joining in the torch and pitch-fork parade here and for asking honest questions. The rule for Catholic Priests to remain celibate was instituted around the time just prior to the Reformation (early 1500s I believe – need to verify this) and was instituted to combat the corruption that had been going on where some Bishops were causing so much scandal with their chronyism and with extramarital affairs, etc. that the Church hierarchy needed to clean things up. Secondly it was instituted to ensure that Priests were not hindered by their familial duties and were to make themselves present for their communities at all times. Since the rule governing this is not “doctrinal” it can be changed at any time by the Pope and the Church hierarchy. To date they have not chosen to do this.
Observer, Your Comment: thanks for not just joining in the torch and pitch-fork parade here and for asking honest questions. My Comment: Respecting one another is essential. With all due respect, If you feel that this is a “pitch-fork parade”, you are not obligated to post anything.
txlady706, “I thought Catholics were ALOT like Jews”, NO, NO AND NO this is NOWHERE near the truth, as Biblical Judaism and Christianity are really a “completion” of each other and that DOES NOT include Catholicism or any other “religion” that goes against the Word of God. Celibacy with the Priests DID NOT start out as a Biblical issue, but one that had more to do with ‘issues’ that were going on within the Catholic Church and the world as a whole. Your second sentence “speaks volumes” but sadly NOT All within the Catholic Church will accept what you say here. It is anti-God and does NOT reconcile with Judaism in any way, shape or form. Over the years I’ve come to learn much when it comes to the Bible from my Bishop, other ministers who hold the Bible to what it truly stands for with God/Jesus, and believe it or not those in the MESSIANIC COMMUNITY as well. The Messianic Rabbi’s, threw the Hebraic texts have given me insight (with the help of Yeshua Hamashiach-Jesus Christ and the Ruach HaKodesh-Holy Spirit as well). Isaiah 53 and 58 are two of the most power scriptures in the Old Testament that makes me smile when I think about all that Yeshua has relieved to your people. NO txlady706, Catholicism is NOTHING like the Torah, but please continue to pray for them to come to the knowledge of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, as well as Yeshua Hamashiach? Thanks and take care.
These are what the Catholic Church entitles “The Incorruptables”; the doctrine is that these people led such “holy” lives their bodies did not decompose. There is no Scriptural proof for this false doctrine in either Testament. Fundamentalist Christians do not teach or believe this doctrine as the Scriptures of both Testaments teach us that Christ alone, G-d manifest in the flesh, the G-d of the Old Testament and New, of the living and the dead, saw no corruption, and that He ALONE saw no corruption of the body. The Scriptures below speak for themselves, and need no “interpretation”, the last verse demonstrates that only He whom G-d has raised from the dead so far, Lord Jesus Christ, saw no corruption as these wax dummies exhibit. Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Ac 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Ac 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: Ac 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Religious people are crazy man! HAHAHA! Crazy and a bit twisted… Keeping a dead person on display is definitely twisted. The Pope looks like a certifiable lunatic yet billions look up to him as some kind of demigod. Strange world… Oh, and to the Jewish guy, if you knew your history my friend you would certainly never say that Catholics are like Jews. The bast*rds helped spirit Nazis out of Germany at the end of the war, the then Pope never said a word against the Nazi regime and actively helped steal Jewish possessions and store them while also handling the gold taken from teeth. The disgusting disgrace of a Pope that you see before you here in this article wants to repatriate a holocaust denier bishop into the fold and was himself a former indoctrinated member of the Nazi Youth. Believe me, this so called “infallible” monster is no friend of the Jews and Catholics have routinely persecuted the Jews for countless generations, it wasn’t so long ago that they were burning Non-Catholics alive at the stake. Evil, Crazy and Twisted.
The Catholic religion is not Christian. It is Babylonian essentially. The worship of the woman stems from Tammuz in Babylonian times. This is very different from the faith in the Living G_d through His only begotten Ben, Yeshua Mashiach. Tim Hegg’s website has a few historical articles regarding church history which can help some people understand better why the Roman Catholic faith is different from true faith in Yeshua/Jesus. http://www.torahresource.com/ArticlesEnglish.html Most of all, reading your bible will protect you from deception. G_d’s Word is our shield. Jesus said: “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” – John 8:32 (KJV)
that’s sick. Makes me want to throw up. But then again, the Catholics already pray to the dead (Saints, Mary, etc) so this isn’t surprising. There’s a demonic spirit behind these popes maybe they hold on the corpses in case one of them wakes up and becomes the False Prophet? I don’t know, but if you’re a Catholic you should seek the Lord Jesus Christ the only mediator between the Father and man. You shall have no other gods, this religion breaks the law of God.
I’m a Catholic. I know, I found it weird too. There was even a time when I asked my parents if they’d allow me to change my religion. I even consulted a nun and a priest. They said that if i don’t like a certain practice or belief, it’s my choice if i’d support it or not, that they won’t force me or anything.
An, Ex-Catholic priest named Brewer claims that “there is nothing in the Bible that supports the veneration of relics, even if they are genuine.” Again, not so. One of the most moving accounts of the veneration of relics is that of the very body of Christ itself. Rather than leaving his body on the cross, to be taken down and disposed of by the Romans (as was the customary practice), Joseph of Arimathea courageously interceded with Pilate for Christ’s body (Mark 15:43, John 19:38). He donated his own, newly hewn tomb as Christ’s resting place (Matt. 27:60). Nicodemus came and donated over a hundred pounds of spices to wrap inside Jesus’ grave clothes (John 19:39), that amount of spices being used only for the most honored dead. And after he was buried, the women went to reverently visit the tomb (Matt. 28:1) and to further anoint Christ’s body with spices even though it had already been sealed inside the tomb (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1). These acts of reverence were more than just the usual courtesy shown to the remains of the dead; they were special respect shown to the body of a most holy man—in this case, the holiest man who has ever lived, for he was God Incarnate.
But it’s because He’s God. Why do it to humans? Even if their holy. It’s kinda like mockery. On second thought, may be they just want to imitate Christ.
Sharlene, ‘You’ are Absolutely correct, “honoring” the LORD because of who He is and what He’s done for ALL mankind is vastly different from what’s being done by the Catholic Church, and in the end when we come to stand before Almighty God some people will sadly learn this too late. Mary was chosen by God and did what was requested of her, but NOWHERE in any other Bible that I’ve ever read, does it tell real Christians to pray to her or anyone else who knew the Lord and is “resting” until His return. The ‘traditions of men and the devil’ will end up taking many to hell by ‘their own choice’ if they don’t come out of it and seek the Lord for themselves. Besides God (and Jesus) being ‘love’, they’re also “Holy, Righteous and Just”, which too many seem to want to forget. Please continue to pray for Catholics and others caught up in ‘religious systems’ who urgently need to know the ‘true and living God/Jesus’, and NOT one of man’s making.
Keep in mind what the Church says about relics. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. There is nothing in the relic itself, whether a bone of the apostle Peter or water from Lourdes, that has any curative ability. The Church just says that relics may be the occasion of God’s miracles, and in this the Church follows Scripture. The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: “So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet” (2 Kgs. 13:20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint! Similar are the cases of the woman cured of a hemorrhage by touching the hem of Christ’s cloak (Matt. 9:20-22) and the sick who were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (Acts 5:14-16). “And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them” (Acts 19:11-12). If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? In the case of Elisha, a Lazarus-like return from the dead was brought about through the prophet’s bones. In the New Testament cases, physical things (the cloak, the shadow, handkerchiefs and aprons) were used to effect cures. There is a perfect congruity between present-day Catholic practice and ancient practice. If you reject all Catholic relics today as frauds, you should also reject these biblical accounts as frauds.
Ray, It is not the “cloak or a relic” that cured the woman when she touched Christ. It is her faith in Jesus that healed her. No relic can save you nor heal you. It is Jesus Christ that can. Mark 5 30 At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, “Who touched my clothes?” 31 “You see the people crowding against you,” his disciples answered, “and yet you can ask, ‘Who touched me?’ ” 32 But Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it. 33 Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth. 34 He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering.”
Dear Ray. Shalom, and thanks for fresh comments. You wrote: If you reject all Catholic relics today as frauds, you should also reject these biblical accounts as frauds. My reply: Relics are mediums, created objects. The Vatican have made them objects of worship (or adoration and veneration), bluntly idols. The Bible says we hall not call any created thing Holy. Only God is Holy. And there is only one mediator between man and God, and that in Jesus the Messiah. The Roman Catholic do not only live in sin, in regards to one scripture .The Vatican force their subjects to makes images and idols, to bow down to them, pray to them, and kiss them. The Bible says this is wickedness, a religious movement that”s mock God. By listen to their false priests, they all make them selves worthless in the eye of God of the Bible. Psalm 31:6 I hate those who cling to worthless idols; as for me, I trust in the LORD. Jeremiah 2:8 The priests did not ask, ‘Where is the LORD?’ Those who deal with the law did not know me; the leaders rebelled against me. The prophets prophesied by Baal, following worthless idols. Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. (end of scriptures) You are free to chose life or death. Be wise. For what do you need this created objects, when you are called to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth? That a man was casted into Elisha’s tomb and touched his bones, does not mean that these bones were taken home, keep on the table to be kissed and adored for generations to come. The Moabites that came were “raiders”, or tomb robbers. They looted the graves, because some pagan Jews did bury the dead with all their golds and ornaments. Since Elisha was a man of God, there was surely no idols in his tomb, no gold on his bones. This example from the Jewish Tannakh (Old Testament) can forever stand as a rebuke from God, that the Jews should have listen to Elisha, while he was alive. Many Jews did not, but rather killed the prophets who called them to burn and destroy their idols. Deuteronomy 4:15-19 Idolatry Forbidden You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. (end of scriptures) This in plain languages, that even kids can read and understand. The Roman Catholics rejects the Word of God, and obey the Pope. Such foolishness is going to cost them everything. Repent or perish.
Exodus 13:19 “And Moses took Joseph’s bones with him: because he had adjured the children of Israel, saying: God shall visit you, carry out my bones from hence with you.” 4 Kings 13:20-21 “And Eliseus died, and they buried him. And the rovers from Moab came into the land the same year. And some that were burying a man, saw the rovers, and cast the body into the sepulchre of Eliseus. And when it had touched the bones of Eliseus, the man came to life and stood upon his feet.” Matthew 9:20-22 “And behold a woman who was troubled with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment. For she said within herself: If I shall touch only his garment, I shall be healed. But Jesus turning and seeing her, said: Be of good heart, daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.” Acts 19:11-12 “And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons: and the diseases departed from them: and the wicked spirits went out of them. It’s funny to me how a culture that is filled with autograph hounds and those who clamor to be around those glittered with “star dust” can consider the Catholic veneration of relics as a joke. A lovely dish is just a lovely dish, but one owned by your great-grandmother is a treasure. Some stranger’s pocketwatch is just a timepiece, but one given to you by your grandfather is something you’d literally mourn losing. We pay $20,000 for a $200 jacket worn by Jacqueline Kennedy, faint at Beatles concerts, engage in riotous behavior to get our hands on one of Elvis’s scarves, but when a relic of St. Catherine is mentioned, people snicker. As you can see, however, from the verses above, veneration of relics is strictly scriptural, and the earliest Christians saw things in the same way as the ancient Israelites and those in the New Testament accounts. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 – 430) wrote in City of God: If a father’s coat or ring, or anything else of that kind, is so much more cherished by his children, as love for one’s parents is greater, in no way are the bodies themselves to be despised, which are much more intimately and closely united to us than any garment; for they belong to man’s very nature, St. Jerome (ca. A.D. 340 – 420) clarified Catholic belief in his Ad Riparium: We do not adore, I will not say the relics of the martyrs, but either the sun or the moon or even the angels — that is to say, with the worship of “latria”…But we honor the martyrs’ relics, so that thereby we give honor to Him Whose [witness] they are: we honor the servants, that the honor shown to them may reflect on their Master… Consequently, by honoring the martyrs’ relics we do not fall into the error of the Gentiles, who gave the worship of “latria” to dead men. When considering relics, it is to be remembered that the body and soul are forever one, even when they seem to be separated by death. The body of the saved will be resurrected and glorified (the bodies of the damned will also be resurrected, for that matter). Forever is there a connection between the remains and the soul that has departed from them — and the great souls whose remains are left to us have a power described well by St. John of Damascus (a.k.a. “John Damascene”), ca. A.D. 676 – 754/87, in his “Exposition of the Orthodox Faith”: These [the bodies of the Saints] are made treasuries and pure habitations of God: For I will dwell in them, said God, and walk in them, and I will be their God. The divine Scripture likewise saith that the souls of the just are in God’s hand and death cannot lay hold of them. For death is rather the sleep of the saints than their death. For they travailed in this life and shall to the end, and Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints. What then, is more precious than to be in the hand of God? For God is Life and Light, and those who are in God’s hand are in life and light. Further, that God dwelt even in their bodies in spiritual wise, the Apostle tells us, saying, Know ye not that your bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit dwelling in you?, and The Lord is that Spirit, and If any one destroy the temple of God, him will God destroy. Surely, then, we must ascribe honour to the living temples of God, the living tabernacles of God. These while they lived stood with confidence before God. The Master Christ made the remains of the saints to be fountains of salvation to us, pouring forth manifold blessings and abounding in oil of sweet fragrance: and let no one disbelieve this. For if water burst in the desert from the steep and solid rock at God’s will and from the jaw-bone of an ass to quench Samson’s thirst, is it incredible that fragrant oil [see below] should burst forth from the martyrs’ remains? By no means, at least to those who know the power of God and the honour which He accords His saints. In the law every one who toucheth a dead body was considered impure, but these are not dead. For from the time when He that is Himself life and the Author of life was reckoned among the dead, we do not call those dead who have fallen asleep in the hope of the resurrection and in faith on Him. For how could a dead body work miracles? How, therefore, are demons driven off by them, diseases dispelled, sick persons made well, the blind restored to sight, lepers purified, temptations and troubles overcome, and how does every good gift from the Father of lights come down through them to those who pray with sure faith? See also this excerpt from the Homilies on the Epistle to the Romans, by St. John Chrysostom (A.D. 347 – 407).
Dear Ray Shalom. You wrote: Acts 19:11-12 “And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. So that even there were brought from his body to the sick, handkerchiefs and aprons: and the diseases departed from them: and the wicked spirits went out of them. My comment: Roman Catholics are simply not willing to obey the truth, repent and be saved. It is not written that they took the handkerchiefs of Paul with them home, bowed down to them and kissed them. I guess that is what a Catholic would do. God can use whatever He wants, and whoever He wants all the time. But to claim that: Since Paul handkerchiefs was used to heal someone, the bones and skulls of late Popes will do the same. It is also possible to make a doctrine that say that all handkerchiefs of “holy men” has the healing powers. If I see any one bowing down and kissing my handkerchiefs, I will tell them to repent from such wickedness. If I see any Catholic parading my handkerchiefs on their shoulders through the streets, I will call an ambulance from a mental hospital, and get them admitted. For such spiritual madness shall not take place on my watch. The Bible says worship God in spirit and in truth. Only God is “Holy”. The rest of us are created beings, sinners that needs to stop mocking God, and repent. Throw your first class, second class and third class relics in the river, and beg Jesus for mercy. Than you will have a chance to escape the coming wrath of God. If not you will have plenty of time to regret in hell. Unfortunately it will be to late. You will have to spend eternity there, just as the Bible explains: Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
The bones of Eliseus would constitute a first class relic, the cloths of St. Paul, second class relics–granted, however, that St. Paul was alive at the time. Some would also mention the hem of Christ’s garment (Luke 8:43-48), but I would omit this in apologetics vs. Protestantism, since it will likely be dismissed on the grounds that Christ was present at the time, and said “thy faith hath made thee whole.” The testimony on all the miracles, past and present, attributed to relics, are also an apologetic in themselves.
No where in the Bible does God tell us to dig up bones and display them to be venerated. No where in the Bible does God say to display material objects and venerate them. In fact, when the Israelites started burning incense to the bronze snake that Moses made—the bronze snake was destroyed by a man of God. 1 John 5:21 Dear children, keep yourself from idols.
Relics in the Bible Although the veneration of relics was not explicitly practiced in the Christian Bible, supporters of the practice have seen support for honoring relics of the saints in the following passages: Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the main’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet. (2 Kings 13:21, NIV) Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding to 12 years came up behind him [Jesus] and touched the edge of his cloak. She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.” Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed from that moment. (Matthew 9:20-22, NIV) As evening approached, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. (Mark 15:43, NIV) People brought the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by… and all of them were healed. (Acts 5:15-16, NIV) God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. (Acts 19:11-12, NIV) For Catholic and Orthodox Christians, these passages confirm their belief that God chooses to work miracles through material items associated with saints. It looks like you are not reading scripture that well! No where in scripture does it say a man of God destroyed a bronze serpent??? Where does it say that???? During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live” (Num. 21:8–9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations.
Casey, Read this passage from the Bible about what happened to the bronze snake Moses made: 2 Kings 18:1 In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Hezekiah son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years. His mother’s name was Abijah daughter of Zechariah. 3 He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.) If the bronze snake that Moses had made was broke into pieces because the Israelites had been burning incense to it (see 2 Kings 18:1-4), then why is it okay for the Catholic priests to bow to and incense the crucifix? Here is part of an article that tells about the practice of the Catholic Church bowing to and incensing objects. This is a link to read the whole article: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07664a.htm In both East and West the reverence we pay to images has crystallized into formal ritual. In the Latin Rite the priest is commanded to bow to the cross in the sacristy before he leaves it to say Mass (“Ritus servandus” in the Missal, II, 1); he bows again profoundly “to the altar or the image of the crucifix placed upon it” when he begins Mass (ibid., II, 2); he begins incensing the altar by incensing the crucifix on it (IV, 4), and bows to it every time he passes it (ibid.); he also incenses any relics or images of saints that may be on the altar (ibid.). In the same way many such commands throughout our rubrics show that always a reverence is to be paid to the cross or images of saints whenever we approach them.
HisTruth, I (and I’m sure quite a few others) want to thank you for what you’ve posted, but sadly no matter how many ‘scripture verses you post here’, they will twist it to fit what the Catholic Church has taught and ingrained in them over many years, rather than doing an exhaustive and thorough ‘search’ for themselves. How many times in the Bible does the LORD tell us to ‘search Him out’, but despite this too many continue to ‘cling to the traditions’ of “men” instead? My being Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc. WILL NOT get me into heaven, and on judgment day I get the feeling too many will ultimately be quite shocked, highly disappointed, and extremely saddened by what they’ve let themselves be drawn into following. I pray they wake up before it’s too late.
Such Protest ivarfjeld….such a Protestant! 1. Protestant principles demand that the Catholic Church is wrong in any of its claims. Protestants must say the Catholic Church is wrong or else why are they Protestant? Yet they must also admit that not one of their denominations has any right to claim that it itself is the True Church. 2. Where does it say in Scripture that Christ founded any such system as a church? Matthew 16:18: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church.” Christ terms His Church a kingdom, which in turn supposes some organized authority. The explicit steps in the establishing of such a hierachy are clearly seen in Scripture. Christ chose certain special men: “You have not chosen Me; but I have chosen you.” (John 15:16). He gave them His own mission: “As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” (John 20:21). This commission included His teaching authority: “Teach all nations…whatsoever I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:12-20). He gave them His power to sanctify: “Baptising them…” (Matthew 28:19), forgive sin “Whose sin you shall forgive, they are forgiven…” (John 20:23), and offer sacrifice “Do this in remembrance of Me” (1 Corinthians 11:24). He gave them His legislative, or disciplinary power: “He who hears you, hears Me, and he who despises you despises Me.” (Luke 10:16), “Whatsoever you bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven.” (Matthew 18:18), “If a man will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen.” (Matthew 18:17). The Apostles certainly exercised these powers from the beginning: “They were all persevering in the doctrine of the Apostles.” (Acts 2:42). St. Paul himself did not hesitate to ex-communicate the incestuous Corinthian in 1 Corinthians 5:3-5. And he wrote to the Hebrews “Obey your prelates, and be subject to them.” (Hebrews 14:17).
As my Pastor explained it: Jesus is the Rock! What Jesus was emphasizing is based on what Peter had declare by revelation of the Father, when he said: “Thou are the Christ, the son of the Living God.” Notice what Jesus said to Peter, “…and on this rock I will build my church.” He didn’t say, “and upon you Peter” but on what Peter had declared. The emphasis as to when Jesus said, “and I tell you that you are Peter”, Peter means, little rock, not “the rock”. Another words, Peter and also the rest of the apostles were the “pillars” of the foundation, which is Jesus, where upon the church will be built. Peter receives the message as a leader among the disciples, but definately, and with so many scriptures that affirm it, Jesus is the “Rock” the foundation of the church. And I agree with him completely.
Christ said “Upon this rock”, meaning Himself, not Peter. In John 1:42 we find Christ saying to Peter “Thou art Simon…thou shalt be called Cephas or Kepha, which is interpreted Peter which means Rock.” There are several instances of name changes in the Bible, and each time someones name was changed it meant that person was to take on a special mission. Christ had a special purpose in changing Peter’s name to Cephas, or rock. That purpose was manifested later in Matthew 16:18 “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church.” Peter’s name was Simon and Christ changed it to Peter, which in the original Aramaic language is Kepha. Kepha in Aramaic is the word for “rock” or “stone”, which was never used as a proper name in that language. Therefore what Christ was really saying is “Thou art Mr. Stone, and upon this stone I will build My Church.” Christ could not possibly be referring to Himself in this text when using this word in this way.
Hi Gloria, It looks like Augustine of Hippo, or St. Augustine as the Catholic church likes to call him, agrees with you and your pastor also. Volume VI, St. Augustine, Sermon XXVI.1-2, p. 340) “Because thou hast said unto me, ‘thou art the Christ the Son of the living God;’ I also say unto thee, ‘Thou art Peter.’ For before he was called Simon. Now this name of Peter was given him by the Lord, and in a figure, that he should signify the Church. For seeing that Christ is the rock (Petra), Peter is the Christian people. For the rock (Petra) is the original name. Therefore Peter is also called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. Therefore he saith, ‘Thou art Peter and upon this rock’ which thou hast confessed, upon this rock which thou hast acknowledged, saying, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God’ will I build my Church’ that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, ‘will I build My Church.’ I will build thee upon me, not myself upon thee . . . For men who wished to be built upon men, said ‘I am of Paul; and I am of Apollos; and I of Cephas,’ who is Peter. But others did not wish to be built upon Peter, but upon the Rock, said,’But I am of Christ.’ And when the Apostle Paul ascertained that he was chosen, and Christ despised, he said, ‘Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?’ And, as not in the name of Paul, so neither in the name of Peter; but in the name of Christ.; that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock upon Peter.” If someone has an agenda, or are on a mission, that person can twist words or misrepresent them to fit their goal. That is what happened in the development of the Roman Catholic church.
Hello Rose, I don’t understand. When I read the Bible, sometimes I know immediately what Christ is saying. Sometimes I go to my Pastor and he’ll teach me what Christ is saying, and what Jesus means.
to Dave1543 I know that sermon from Augustine and you are missing other citation from that sermon as a whole for Augustine to explain Peter is the first Pope founded by Christ! and what about the St. Augustine 53th letter to a fellow bishop on reminding about the Peter as First Pope and bishop of Rome??? Letter 53 (A.D. 400) To Generosus, Our Most Loved and Honourable Brother, Fortunatus, Alypius, and Augustine Send Greeting in the Lord. Chapter 1 1. Since you were pleased to acquaint us with the letter sent to you by a Donatist presbyter, although, with the spirit of a true Catholic, you regarded it with contempt, nevertheless, to aid you in seeking his welfare if his folly be not incurable, we beg you to forward to him the following reply. He wrote that an angel had enjoined him to declare to you the episcopal succession of the Christianity of your town; to you, forsooth, who hold the Christianity not of your own town only, nor of Africa only, but of the whole world, the Christianity which has been published, and is now published to all nations. This proves that they think it a small matter that they themselves are not ashamed of being cut off, and are taking no measures, while they may, to be engrafted anew; they are not content unless they do their utmost to cut others off, and bring them to share their own fate, as withered branches fit for the flames. Wherefore, even if you had yourself been visited by that angel whom he affirms to have appeared to him—a statement which we regard as a cunning fiction; and if the angel had said to you the very words which he, on the warrant of the alleged command, repeated to you—even in that case it would have been your duty to remember the words of the apostle: “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8 For to you it was proclaimed by the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, that His “gospel shall be preached unto all nations, and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 To you it has moreover been proclaimed by the writings of the prophets and of the apostles, that the promises were given to Abraham and to his seed, which is Christ, Galatians 3:16 when God said unto him: “In your seed shall all nations of the earth be blessed.” Having then such promises, if an angel from heaven were to say to you, “Let go the Christianity of the whole earth, and cling to the faction of Donatus, the episcopal succession of which is set forth in a letter of their bishop in your town,” he ought to be accursed in your estimation; because he would be endeavouring to cut you off from the whole Church, and thrust you into a small party, and make you forfeit your interest in the promises of God. 2. For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: “Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!” Matthew 16:18 The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these:— Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius. In this order of succession no Donatist bishop is found. But, reversing the natural course of things, the Donatists sent to Rome from Africa an ordained bishop, who, putting himself at the head of a few Africans in the great metropolis, gave some notoriety to the name of “mountain men,” or Cutzupits, by which they were known.
Casey, You seem to be referencing or studying other books to see what Jesus means. It is clear that Jesus is the Rock, always has been, always will be.
Hello Dave, I do not know who this Augustine person is or was. But I do know what Jesus Christ is saying, and as we know Jesus is the way, the truth, and his words are forever.
This is bizarre and unhealthy. There is nothing in the Bible which suggest displaying bodies for viewing or veneration. This is an ignorant and off-putting practice.
Christians aren’t part of a church built on Peter or Paul or anyone else. Christ is the Rock on which the church is built. Christ is the head of the church and we are His body. We believe and become members of that church because of our confessing the same as Peter, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And we are blessed also because flesh and blood hasn’t revealed it to us, but the Father which in heaven revealed it to us. Upon this rock, this confession, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” Christ builds His church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against that. Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. We have been given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. They aren’t the property of Peter or any pope. Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Christians don’t need any pope to bind or loose things. They only need Christ in the midst of them.
Jesus did say all people were given the Keys of the Kingdom??? His direct words was to Simon renamed Peter??? You are looking at this Chapter and verse of Matthew 16:18: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church.” How can you ignore this reference?? Christ terms His Church a kingdom, which in turn supposes some organized authority. The explicit steps in the establishing of such a hierachy are clearly seen in Scripture. Christ chose certain special men: “You have not chosen Me; but I have chosen you.” (John 15:16). He gave them His own mission: “As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” (John 20:21). This commission included His teaching authority: “Teach all nations…whatsoever I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:12-20). He gave them His power to sanctify: “Baptising them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” (Matthew 28:19), forgive sin “Whose sin you shall forgive, they are forgiven…” (John 20:23), and offer sacrifice “Do this in remembrance of Me” (Paul 1 Corinthians 11:24). He gave them His legislative, or disciplinary power: “He who hears you, hears Me, and he who despises you despises Me.” (Luke 10:16), “Whatsoever you bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven.” (Matthew 18:18), “If a man will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen.” (Matthew 18:17). The Apostles certainly exercised these powers from the beginning: “They were all persevering in the doctrine of the Apostles.” (Acts 2:42). St. Paul himself did not hesitate to ex-communicate the incestuous Corinthian in 1 Corinthians 5:3-5. And he wrote to the Hebrews “Obey your prelates, and be subject to them.” (Hebrews 14:17). Gloria There is a History of the Early Church and Early Church Fathers is where I’m getting Augustine. here is good source to start out with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers just look at before saying its a trick when it is not…just peek and look at its references.
Hello Casey, These people called early church fathers made statemnts that were good and statements that were suspect and sometimes contradictory. Augustine was one of them. Thanks for helping show that.
How can one deny information, history, and theology from the Early Church Fathers when they existed and supported the Catholic Church! Here are quotes, Letters, Sermons from the Early Church Father!! Especially about the Papacy and Peter as the first!!! Hegesippus “When I had come to Rome, I [visited] Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. And after Anicetus [died], Soter succeeded, and after him Eleutherus. In each succession and in each city there is a continuance of that which is proclaimed by the law, the prophets, and the Lord” (Memoirs, cited in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 4:22 [A.D. 180]). Irenaeus of Lyon “It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about” (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]). “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (ibid., 3:3:2). “Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time” (ibid., 3:3:4). “Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth, so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. . . . For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient churches with which the apostles held constant conversation, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question?” (ibid., 3:4:1). “[I]t is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church—those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth” (ibid., 4:26:2). “The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere” (ibid., 4:33:8). Tertullian “[The apostles] founded churches in every city, from which all the other churches, one after another, derived the tradition of the faith, and the seeds of doctrine, and are every day deriving them, that they may become churches. Indeed, it is on this account only that they will be able to deem themselves apostolic, as being the offspring of apostolic churches. Every sort of thing must necessarily revert to its original for its classification. Therefore the churches, although they are so many and so great, comprise but the one primitive Church, [founded] by the apostles, from which they all [spring]. In this way, all are primitive, and all are apostolic, while they are all proved to be one in unity” (Demurrer Against the Heretics 20 [A.D. 200]). “[W]hat it was which Christ revealed to them [the apostles] can, as I must here likewise prescribe, properly be proved in no other way than by those very churches which the apostles founded in person, by declaring the gospel to them directly themselves . . . If then these things are so, it is in the same degree manifest that all doctrine which agrees with the apostolic churches—those molds and original sources of the faith must be reckoned for truth, as undoubtedly containing that which the churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, [and] Christ from God. Whereas all doctrine must be prejudged as false which savors of contrariety to the truth of the churches and apostles of Christ and God. It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have now given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles, and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto proceed from falsehood” (ibid., 21). “But if there be any [heresies] which are bold enough to plant [their origin] in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [their first] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men—a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter” (ibid., 32). “But should they even effect the contrivance [of composing a succession list for themselves], they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles [as contained in other churches], will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory” (ibid.). “Then let all the heresies, when challenged to these two tests by our apostolic Church, offer their proof of how they deem themselves to be apostolic. But in truth they neither are so, nor are they able to prove themselves to be what they are not. Nor are they admitted to peaceful relations and communion by such churches as are in any way connected with apostles, inasmuch as they are in no sense themselves apostolic because of their diversity as to the mysteries of the faith” (ibid.). Cyprian of Carthage “[T]he Church is one, and as she is one, cannot be both within and without. For if she is with [the heretic] Novatian, she was not with [Pope] Cornelius. But if she was with Cornelius, who succeeded the bishop [of Rome], Fabian, by lawful ordination, and whom, beside the honor of the priesthood the Lord glorified also with martyrdom, Novatian is not in the Church; nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, who, succeeding to no one, and despising the evangelical and apostolic tradition, sprang from himself. For he who has not been ordained in the Church can neither have nor hold to the Church in any way” (Letters 69[75]:3 [A.D. 253]). Jerome “Far be it from me to speak adversely of any of these clergy who, in succession from the apostles, confect by their sacred word the Body of Christ and through whose efforts also it is that we are Christians” (Letters 14:8 [A.D. 396]). Augustine “[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
The church of Jesus began in Israel. The Church at Rome came awhile later. If Peter or Paul took a look around the Catholic church of today I think they would be scrathing their heads and wondering where this thing came from.
One religion is as good as another?? Common logic tell us this is unsound. There is perhaps some good in every religion, however, some good is not enough. Religion is not good enough in the eyes of God unless it is founded by God, has all of God’s teachings, and has all that is necessary to lead all people to a holy life, and thus to heaven. There are literally thousands of Protestant congregations, and none of them believe exactly the same thing. Ask any two Protestant preachers how they interpret a passage of the Bible and you will get two different answers. They can’t both be right. The Holy Spirit is not a Spirit of confusion. How do you know which is right? Christ in His Wisdom forsaw the rise of false Christs and substituted forms of professing Christianity and endowed His Church with certain notable characteristics to help us know which church is the right one. If the Catholic Church is so holy, why are there unholy people, including priests, in it? Unholy people, including priests, in the Catholic Church does not make the Catholic Church unholy. Christ predicted that sinners would be found in the True Church when he told of bad fish in the good net, weeds growing among the wheat. Bad Catholics, including priests, are those who are not living up to the teachings of the Church. Bad Catholics can be accounted for without injuring the holiness of the Church, but canonized Saints cannot be accounted for without admitting to that holiness. Catholics that are bad are bad in spite of their Church, not because of it. There is not a single dogma the Catholic Church teaches which does not tend to confirm in its members the will to serve God. In terms of moral laws, no one can keep the laws of the Catholic Church and not be a better person for it. No one sincerely joins the Catholic Church without desiring a loftier standard of living, and no one leaves the Catholic Church except for a lower standard. The Catholic Church has labored like no other to lift men and women above the natural and sensual, fighting for purity of morals, the holiness of marriage, and the rights of God and conscience in every department of life. Outward respectability and mere humanitarianism can never, in the eyes of the Church, replace that true supernatural virtue and charity which demand that the daily personal, domestic, and social life of a Christian must be inspired by love of God. Anyone who says God doesn’t belong in their professional lives are wrong, God made everything, He belongs everywhere. People who leave the Church do not leave because they found the Church untrue, but because they have been untrue to their own obligations.
Hello again Casey, You wrote, “There are literally thousands of Protestant congregations, and none of them believe exactly the same thing. Ask any two Protestant preachers how they interpret a passage of the Bible and you will get two different answers.” End This is an exageration and I’m fairly certain you don’t believe that At least I hope you don’t. Protestants are united in most of their beliefs. Catholics differ in their beliefs also. You know that there are liberal Catholics and traditional Catholics, Eastern and Western, Sedevacantist, etc. While the Catholic church has core beliefs, like all others, there is disagreement also. The Baptists have a core set of beliefs and most Baptist pastors teach the same thing. The same can be said of every denomination or religion. The accusation the Catholic church brings against others applies to it as well. Anyway religion or denomination won’t save you or me anyone else. Here is a scriptural definition of religion. Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Dear Dave 1543. Shalom. You wrote: The Baptists have a core set of beliefs and most Baptist pastors teach the same thing. The same can be said of every denomination or religion. The accusation the Catholic church brings against others applies to it as well. My comment: The core baptists set of belief’s, is the message of Jesus: Repent (make a U-turn) or perish. The true Baptist’s are like the original Jewish believers in Yeshua. Because they obey Him in their baptism, for some the first act of Holiness and obedience. The rest of the flock been deceived by Rome, and do follow and teach man made doctrines. They put up all kind of philosophy and cleaver invented human arguments, for why they should not be immersed in water (The burial of baptism). And only do so after they have confessed their faith in Him in public, in front of 2X students of Jesus.
Casey, The Catholic Church has issues just like all the other ones and is NO different, it breaks my heart that you’re being deceived with the lies that get more elaborate as time goes on. God/Jesus WILL NOT say, “Casey has been a good Catholic, or Susan has been a good Protestant, or John has been a good Jew”, you’ve made it into heaven. “Your heart and actions and what you’ve done with God’s Word will tell on you and all the rest of us more than anything else”. The one “true” church is “the body of believers who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach, and God-Yahweh, the Father”. Denomination has NOTHING to do with the Kingdom of God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit and I hope and pray you find that out before it’s too late.
There are literally thousands of Protestant congregations, and none of them believe exactly the same thing. Ask any two Protestant preachers how they interpret a passage of the Bible and you will get two different answers.” End. Actually, Last I checked there were over 33,000 Protestant Christian and those claiming Non-denominational. Traditonal vs Liberal Catholics are still Catholic. The claim is how the Liturgy and Church should run! Protestants claim that the Catholic Church was holy at one time, but it became corrupt, that’s why Protestantism began. Anyone who truely believes that…..is calling Christ a liar because he said He would be with His Church until the end of time (Matthew 28:20), and He also promised “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). As stated above, there can be corrupt people in the Church, but the Catholic Church Itself cannot be corrupt, and it cannot teach error. The Bible calls the Church the Body of Christ, and if the Church became corrupt or taught error it could be rightly said that Christ was corrupt or teaching error. Protestant churches are at least as holy as the Catholic Church. Protestantism does not preserve Christian standards intact. Articles of faith have been thrown out, mortification and fasting are not required, the evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity, and obedience, with their consequent inspiration of monastic life, are ignored. Protestant leaders excuse, and even approve, laxity in moral practice, allowing such things as abortion, gay sex and gay “marriage”. There is nothing equivalent to canonized Saints in Protestantism, they don’t have the authority from God to do so. Many of the Sacraments of Christ are not even acknowledged by Protestantism, while the heart has been torn out of its worship by the loss of Christ’s Presence in the Blessed Sacrament. The Protestant Bible is missing 7 books that God wants included. The Protestant clergy are not trained in moral law, and therefore cannot advise the laity as they should. The prevalent Protestant notion of “Believe in Christ and be saved” tends of its very nature to lessen the sense of necessity of personal virtue. After all, even Satan “believes” in Christ.
Dear Casey. Shalom You wrote: There are literally thousands of Protestant congregations, and none of them believe exactly the same thing. Ask any two Protestant preachers how they interpret a passage of the Bible and you will get two different answers.” End. Actually, Last I checked there were over 33,000 Protestant Christian and those claiming Non-denominational. My reply: This is not a site for debate on Church politics. It is fruitless, and leads to nothing. Men are wicked, and compare a Church with another. They might be Catholic or protestant, I could care less. All I need to know: Do people obey Jesus. Are the people in a fellowship, followers of Him?
I am a Roman Catholic. Why can’t you accept that Catholics believe in Jesus Christ as our Saviour just like Baptists and other Christians? Why does it matter in what form we express our faith? Is it not more important that we pray to God, acknowledge Jesus as our Saviour, and try to live as a good and faithful servant? It is not enough to say that “Catholics believe in Jesus Christ” since there are true and false kinds of belief. Saving faith is a gift of God, by which His children rely on Jesus Christ for salvation. Counterfeit faith is deceptively similar, but it is powerless and useless to save. While I sincerely hope that there are many Catholics who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ for salvation, yet there are reasons for serious concern. Faith implies the correct understanding of, and assent to, the teaching of the Bible about Christ. The Catholic Church rejects the various heresies about the person of Christ, such as the Arian denial of His Deity. I thank God that the Catholic Church continues to uphold the great truths on the Deity and incarnation, death and bodily resurrection of Christ, as expressed in the ancient creeds from the 3-4th century still used today!
Casey, No matter what anyone tries to teach me about God…I read the Bible to see if what they say is true. I don’t ever want to do anything that God says not to do. I spend my days trying to please the Lord. When Catholics hear things that the Pope says, do you check it out to see if it is scriptural? Do you make excuses to do things that God says not to? You have a Bible, study the scriptures to see if what you are told is true. Catholics do things that we are commanded not to. You are even listening to a man who sins by being called “Holy Father”! It brings me to tears when I do anything that is wrong, I then ask for forgiveness and repent. How can you do things against God and make excuses for it? Being saved is about a personal relationship with Jesus. You have a Bible, don’t rely on the Pope, or anyone, for your personal relationship. How can you say you even know Jesus? How can you say you know Jesus when you do things he says not to do? Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who love him by doing what he teaches. How do you show you love him when you do not do what he teaches? How can you say you are of his sheep when you are told the truth, yet you don’t hear his voice in what is said? You do the opposite of what he says. Don’t call anyone father, only go through Jesus, don’t bow to statues… Why don’t you start obeying and doing what Jesus says?
Casey, You said: Why can’t you accept that Catholics believe in Jesus Christ as our Saviour just like Baptists and other Christians? Why does it matter in what form we express our faith? My Comment: It’s pretty simple. Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
Every disciple of Christ is obedient to the Lord and is committed to believe and obey His Word. The Christian will not permit any man or creature to usurp the throne of his Lord. Moreover, every Christian believes that the Bible is the Word of God. He is therefore committed to its teachings, commands and instructions. You may respond, ‘Yes, the Christian should be obedient to the Bible. But why insist on the Bible ALONE as his ultimate authority?’ To answer, let me ask some questions myself. What would you add to the Bible? ‘Sola Scriptura’ is not whether the Bible is the infallible Word of God or not (we all agree that it is). The question is whether the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith or not; whether we should add something else of equal authority along with the Bible. Well then, would you add human reason and philosophy, as the liberals do? No, because the word of man could never be equal to the word of God. ‘Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar’ (Proverbs 30:5). What then, would you add to the written Word of God? Let us consider three possibilities: 1. New revelations Can we add new revelations? No, because God’s revelation is complete. There was a time when God was giving new revelations as He was unfolding the plan of salvation. Indeed there was a time when there was no written Scriptures and God spoke audibly to people like Adam, Noah and Abraham. There was a time when God’s Word came in the form of prophetic and apostolic speech as well as the written form. God’s revelation reached its climax in Christ, who is the image of the invisible God. During the apostolic era, the Christian faith was delivered in full to the church, as Jude tells us. Christians should ‘should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints’ (Jude 3). It is therefore wrong to seek new revelations seeing that the Bible declares that the Christian faith is already delivered to us. 2. Tradition What about tradition? Did God give a body of truth, different and apart from teaching of the Bible, which was transmitted intact through the centuries in an oral, unwritten form? Definitely not! We can compare the church with the Old Testament people of God, Israel. From the prophet Malachi to John the baptist, God did not give them new revelations. The Jews were responsible to obey the Word of God preserved in the Holy Scriptures, and nothing else. During His earthly ministry, the Lord Jesus did not expect the Jews to believe some extra-scriptural doctrine which was supposedly transmitted from the prophets of old by word of mouth. Jesus often appealed to the Scriptures – ‘It is written’ – but He never appealed to tradition as if it carried equal authority (see below). On the contrary, He rebuked the Jews for adding traditions which in effect undermined the plain teaching of the Scriptures: ‘Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition’ (please read Mark 7). Sadly, history repeats itself. Christians today should obey the Word of God preserved in the completed Scriptures, but they often go beyond what is written. Because of tradition, the Catholic church now has graven images, obligatory fasting, relics, indulgences, celibate ministry, the sacrifice of the mass, the confessional, purgatory and so on, all of which are absent from the Bible and indeed contradict the plain teachings of Scripture. 3. Bishops Finally, can we place the teaching authority of the church on the same plane with the Bible? Certainly we should listen to and respect Christian teachers. Pastors (also know as bishops and elders) are God’s gift to His church. They are appointed by God to teach and lead the churches, and Christians are commanded to submit to them. The leaders’ responsibility is to study and teach God’s Word as it is, without additions or change. They should study the Word carefully for they are liable to make mistakes (2 Timothy 2:15). And since they are not infallible, the apostle Paul advises us to ‘test all things; hold fast what is good’ (1 Thessalonians 5:21), while James warns us: ‘My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. For we all stumble in many things’ (James 3:1). In short, since the Bible is the Word of God, there is nothing of equal authority. Hence the Christian’s commitment is to the Bible alone as the ultimate and absolute authority. Christ rejected tradition as an additional channel of revelation. Christ showed that the religious teachers were fallible – and how! Christ had absolute confidence in the Scriptures as the Word of God. I am His disciple and I share His convictions. That is why I believe in sola Scriptura. The Bible reveals an infinite God who is perfect in holiness, love, wisdom and in all His attributes. The Bible teaches us how He created the world and how He rules all things by His wise providence. His Law reveals our sinfulness, and warns us about Hell and the wrath to come. Thankfully, the Bible also has a good message of hope. God sent His Son who gave Himself as a ransom for many. He overcame death and He is now alive forevermore. The Bible calls us to repentance and faith in Christ for our salvation, and guides us by its precepts along the way of our pilgrimage. The Bible gives us precious promises, especially of His protection and His coming again to take us home.
Casey, What does any of this have to do with Catholics praising idols (ex: kissing dead people, hearts) and what does this have to do with them praising Mary as if she were God? No matter which way you twist it, or try to explain it, God’s Word is law. Praising idols, fashioning idols is wrong.
I;m with Casey on this subject. If reading the Bible was mandatory to our salvation, Our Lord Jesus Christ would certainly have told the apostles to read, and would have ordered everybody to read it. Christ would also have ordered people to distribute Bibles to everyone. That being so, the order would have been: ’Go and print out’, instead of saying “go and preach to all people” (Mt. XXVIII, 19). He did not say: “Read the Bible”, neither “Distribute Bibles to all people”. Nor did he assert: “Advice everyone to read the Bible”. Why has he not ever said that? Obviously, books – even the holy ones – are meant to be read. Thus, God made the Holy Scriptures to be read. But read by whom? Everyone? Of course not. If not everyone is competent enough to read common books, much less are able to read specialized and scientific books, and even less can understand the books of the Holy Scriptures, that are much deeper. An unprepared reader, or someone with no convenient knowledge, will either not understand the text, or misunderstand it, get at an even worse state than that one of ignorance. Because not knowing it is not as bad as misunderstanding it. For this reason, God said in the Book of Proverbs: “As if a thorn should grow in the hand of a drunkard: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.” (Prov. XXVI, 9).
Gloria, HisTruth, and others who love the Lord and know His truth, as you can see from Casey, NO matter what scripture verses you give him (and now Robth4 as well), it seems that “traditons” are more important here (look what he says about the Bible as well??). How about asking the Holy Spirit for ‘guidance and understanding’ when reading the Word if it seems so ‘hard’, He’s helped me more times than I can count? But, as you can see, no matter what you say via the Bible, there’s always a comeback that shows just how much true ‘searching’ they’re willing to do. I’ve learned (sadly especially when it comes to Catholics and others who are steeped in traditions) to give the Word and move on as the Spirit of God allows, because otherwise the “debate” will continue.
We do not WORSHIP Saints or Mary!!! For goodness sakes have you ever asked a Catholic if they worship Mary or the saints??? Have you seriously….looking is different from asking!! It is often asked what purpose is there to pray to Saints? Is not Jesus the Son of GOD the only Mediator between GOD and man? Jesus is truly the only Mediator between GOD and man. The Catholic Church recognizes and venerates Saints because they led exceptional lives in union with GOD and in return for their good works and perfect example, GOD blessed them with miracles through their prayers and intercessions. Catholics do not worship Saints, they venerate, honour and imitate their virtues; the virtues which led them into profound holiness, an exceptional life lived only for the glory of GOD.Catholics pray to God and ask the saints to pray for us, Catholics do not pray “to” the saints, we pray “with” the saints as we unit ourselves with them, because Catholics believe in the “Communion of Saints” (Romans 12:4). That is those saints in heaven and those on earth are united by the common head (Jesus Christ). Further St. James enjoins the Christians to “pray for one another that you may be saved. For the continual prayer of a just man availeth much”(James 5:16) . The Holy Bible has revealed that GOD respects the intercession of those who led such lives, who resigned themselves completely to His Holy Will, who lived and laboured for His glory. The perfect example of an intercessor would be of Mary, the Mother of Jesus. She, at the wedding of Cana, interceded when the wine ran out, and said to the servants, even though it was not yet time for Jesus to begin His public ministry: “Do whatever He tells you.” Gospel of John 2:5 Jesus respects and honours the intercession of His Mother, the Mother who gave BIRTH to Him, nourished Him, loved Him, and finally raised Him and prepared Him for His Ministry. Mary played and instrumental part in the life of Jesus her Son, from the time of His Birth until His Death. Mary stood by Her Crucified Son at the foot of the Cross and held Him one last time before She placed Him in the Tomb. As far as the remission of sins and redemption of mankind are concerned, Jesus is the sole Mediator who sacrificed Himself for the forgiveness of sins!! How clearer can a Catholic get!
Casey, You said: The Catholic Church recognizes and venerates Saints because they led exceptional lives in union with GOD and in return for their good works and perfect example, GOD blessed them with miracles through their prayers and intercessions. My Comment: Good works is not going to get anyone into heaven. Ephesians 2:8-9) “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.” You say Catholics do not worship saints. I’ve seen pictures of the Pope and catholics, kissing bones, praying to dead people, and so forth. I disagree with you completely. I have seen photos of dead hearts on display. Disgusting.
Casey has a point Gloria and knows his faith and history. I understand that kissing relics and praying over sounds unChristian, but that is what has been for centuries out of respect for the person or love one. I’ve know love one’s who died in war and their husband or wife wanted a chance look, touch, or even kiss their love one….one last time before they go. Well, the reason that it is the custom of Catholics to keep the relics of saints and martyrs on their altars is because, in the very early Church, it was the custom to celebrate Mass in the Roman catacombs on top of the tombs of the martyrs. This custom is actually what Revelation 6:9-10 is making a reference to. The Church used the martyrs’ tombs as altars because, when Mass is offered, it is our participation in the eternal worship that is always taking place among the angels and saints in Heaven, just as we see in the opening chapters of the Book of Revelation. For, as even Protestants believe (because the Epistle to the Hebrews says so), Christ is our High Priest, and He offers His Sacrifice (His own-time historical Sacrifice on the Cross, and also His Resurrection) to the Father in Heaven for all eternity. The Mass (and most especially the Eucharist) is our earthly participation in the eternal offering of this Sacrifice in Heaven, just as St. Paul says in 1 Corinth 10:16-22. So, the reason that we keep the relics of the saints on or near the altar when we celebrate Mass is to remind us that the Church on earth and the Church in Heaven is the same Church, and that, when we celebrate Mass, these same saints are truly with us and are worshiping the Lord with us. For, what does Scripture say? It says that those who truly believe in Christ will NEVER die (John 11:26), and that those in Heaven will be “with” the Lord (Phil 1:23), and the Lord Jesus is not dead, but very much alive. Thus, the saints and martyrs are not dead, but alive and with us, since they are with and in Christ, and Christ promised to be with us always. This is the meaning of Matt 16:18, when Jesus speaks of His Church and says that “the gates of hell will not prevail against it.” Here, the Greek word is actually not “hell” but “hades” –the realm of the dead, or death itself. And so, what Jesus is saying is that death itself will never prevail against His Church or divide its unity. And so, we believe that the saints in Heaven are united with us in one Body, since we all belong to the same Body of Christ, the Church. Thus, when the Church worships on earth, the Church that is in Heaven worships with it. This is what the Church is expressing when it keeps the relics of saints and martyrs close by when it celebrates Mass. It is not a pagan custom, but a custom rooted very firmly in Biblical truth. Another reason why relics are not pagan is because we see the Christian custom already in use in the Bible. If one bothers to look at Acts 19:11-12, it says …. “So extraordinary were the mighty deeds God accomplished at the hands of Paul that when face cloths or aprons that touched his skin were applied to the sick, their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.“ This is an example of a relic. In fact, the Greek Church still claims to have some of these face cloths and aprons, since they were preserved by the church of Ephesus and still used to heal people after St. Paul died. Relics are Biblical. They are not pagan. They have nothing to do with paganism or witch doctors, but are a sign that our Christian Faith is more than a mere spiritual faith. Rather, our Christian Faith is both a spiritual faith and an Incatnational (Flesh and Blood) Faith, because Jesus came to us physically in the Flesh, and He established a physical Church which could touch people directly and incarnationally. Relics are an extension of the fact that the Church truly is the Body of Christ. St. Paul was unquestionably part of the Body of Christ. He was holy and enjoyed great intimacy with the Lord, and the Lord worked miracles through Paul because of that. To have something that Paul personally touched, or even a fragment of Paul’s body, is and always was seen as a way of connecting to Paul in an Incarnational sense, and so connecting to Jesus Himself through Paul (or some other holy saint). This incarnational dimension of the Christian Faith is sorely rejected by Protestants …which is why they overlook passages like Acts 19:11-12 and don’t immediately recognize relics to be Biblical. You to widen your history to check all areas of Catholicism to understand them!
Alex, You said: Casey has a point Gloria and knows his faith and history My Comment: Seriously, Alex I adhere only to the Word of God as the complete truth. So with all due respect, you, Casey, and the Pope himself can come down and try to convince me that what they do is the “right” thing. But God himself says idolatry/idol worship is not to be done, then guess what? I follow God himself not man. John 5:24 “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.” I will not praise Mary, nor the pope, nor Paul
Alex, No matter how much you love someone who has passed, you are not supposed to dig them up and put them in a glass display to pray to them. And Catholics do look for a healing from the “Saint’s” relics, i.e., dead remains and material objects. Do a little more studying about the Catholic religion, and you will find out more of what they believe.
Alex. “Saints” catholic style are made “after” they are DEAD. Saints (small s) is any living believer according to the bible. All believers are saints. In Greek mythology, there was a ‘god’ for everything. The god of this and the god of that. The RCC imitated this pagan practice and in came the “Saints.” A Saint to pray for protection when traveling, Saint of the youth, Saint of cancer. This is nothing more than what the Greeks did. Please research this. We are to only pray to God and not a manufactured “Saint.” Mass as a sacrifice is not Christian. Jesus in sitting at the right hand of the Father (one incarnation–which you recognize). But the RCC says there is more than one incarnation because they say His body, blood, soul and divinity is in the Eucharist. This means He is seated at the right hand of the Father in the flesh and also on earth in millions of hosts on earth. Therefore this “mystogogy” which is based on the failed scientific theory of ‘accidents’ from the Greek pagan Aristotle, again introduces more paganism in the form of cannibalism. If what the RCC says is true, then every person who receives Eucharist is a saved believer (since they have life within then) and every baptized baby is a Christian..even though I have known many baptized Catholics who take Eucharist to believe in reincarnation. Did the Eucharist change them? Were they committed to the Lord? Born again? No. The RCC say babies baptized are born again. Again, no.These babies have no clue. Ask Madonna and Lady Gaga if they are born-again. After all they were baptized and the RCC along with Scott Hahn says to be baptized is to be born again. Please consider President Obama was elected because the Catholic vote pushed it over the edge. All saved believers??? The RCC has taken relics to the superstition level. Venerating relics as gods and making those objects “holy.” They bow down and kiss them like Aaron bowed down to the golden calf. There is more to Catholicism than what meets the eye and what you have been told.
Wow there is so much animosity between Catholics and Protestants here?? This particular battle is rooted in history you guys know! Degrees of reaction have ranged from friendly disagreement (as reflected in the numerous ecumenical dialogues produced between the two groups), to outright persecution and murder of Protestants at the hands of Rome. Reformation teachings that identify the Pope as the Beast of Revelation and / or Roman Catholicism as Mystery Babylon are still common among Protestants. Clearly, anyone with this view is not going to “warm up” to Rome any time soon. For the most part, today at least, most of the animosity comes from basic human nature when dealing with fundamental disagreement over eternal truths. Passions are sure to ignite in the more weighty matters of life, and one’s faith is (or at least should be) at the top of the heap. Many Protestants think Roman Catholics teach a works-gospel that cannot save, while Roman Catholics think Protestants teach easy-believism that requires nothing more than an emotional outburst brought on by manipulative preaching. Protestants blame Catholics for worshipping Mary and Catholics think Protestants are apparently too dull to understand the distinctions Rome has made in this regard. These caricatures are often difficult to overcome. Behind the particular disagreements over the role of faith and works, the sacraments, the canon of Scripture, the role of the priesthood, prayers to saints, and all the issues surrounding Mary and the Pope, etc., lies the biggest rift between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism: the issue of authority. How one answers the authority question will generally solve all the others. When it comes down to deciding a theological issue about defined Catholic dogma, there isn’t really much to discuss on the Catholic’s side because once Rome speaks, it is settled. This is a problem when trying to debate a Roman Catholic – reason and Scripture are not the Catholic’s final authority, they can always retreat into the “safe zone” of Roman Catholic authority. Thus, many of the arguments between a Protestant and a Catholic will revolve around one’s “private interpretation” of Scripture as against the “official teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.” Catholics claim to successfully avoid the legitimate problems of private interpretation by their reliance on their tradition. But this merely pushes the question back a step. The truth is that both Roman Catholics and Protestants must, in the end, rely upon their reasoning abilities (to choose their authority) and their interpretive skills (to understand what that authority teaches) in order to determine what they will believe. Protestants are simply more willing to admit that this is the case. Both sides can also be fiercely loyal to their family’s faith or the church they grew up in without much thought to doctrinal arguments. Obviously there are a lot of possible reasons, and while we should not divide over secondary issues, both sides agree that we must divide when it comes to primary issues. Beyond that, we can agree to disagree and worship where we find ourselves most in agreement. When it comes to Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, the differences are just too great to ignore. However, that does not give license for caricatures or ignorant judgments – both sides need to be honest in their assessments and try not go beyond what God has revealed.
Jesus Christ gave us his word to follow for a reason, and it is the complete truth. But many choose to ignore his word, and only follow some of it, or add to his word. Both are completely wrong. I have been in the presence of Christ a few times (all Glory goes to him), and even though I do not deserve the love Jesus has for me, I have felt the love Jesus has for all. So this is why I say to every Hindu, Muslim, Catholic, and even those who claim to a different Jesus from the one in the bible. Always follow God’s Word. Always. His Words are here forever. Heaven and Earth will pass away, but God’s words are eternal. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Glory, Re: Tony’s comments Why am I not surprised by this?? Thanks to whomever started this thread, I understand where you were coming from, and will continue to lean on the Lord and follow His Word, despite what any man-made traditions lead me to believe otherwise. Hold your heads up and remember what the Lord said about, “Sound Doctrine”. Take care and God bless.
Tony, True worshipers are not necessarily called “Protestants.” I am not a Protestant. So that is your first error in your post. I believe what Jesus and the apostle taught, and they were not called “Protestants.” You call it animosity when others try to teach Catholics the truth, you couldn’t be more wrong. It is out of love that most bother to discuss with Catholics. You say Catholics think that Protestants teach “easy-believism;” believing is easy. Catholics do worship Mary. Whenever you pray to anyone spiritually, that is a form of worship. Why is that truth so difficult for you and Catholics to understand? Catholics give final authority to the Pope, but true believers look to the written Word of God. The scripture about private interpretation, 2 Peter 1:20, Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. That is about prophets, humans, who spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit, its about how they didn’t interpret things on their own, but by the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t mean what the Catholics try to make it mean so they can use the scripture against non Catholics. Please tell me, what is so difficult to understand that we are not to call other Christians our spiritual “Father”? What is so difficult to understand not to pray to anyone else but to God though Jesus? What is so difficult to understand not to bow to a statue or relic? Do you just hate the truth?
Tony. For me it comes down to this. Once upon a time there was a Roman Emperor. The Roman Emperor decided to make a state religion. He then incorporated pagan practices into the church (and still believed and worshiped the sun-god until his dying day). He transferred the state power to the “pope” who then led a nation state and called it Christianity. I am not following that man. The end.
This term has several meanings … God’s Truth as revealed through various means Jesus, second person of the Trinity The Bible I’m uncomfortable when non-Catholic Christians use this term because they often use it in the context of sola-scriptura. This has the side-effect of implying that their particular interpretation of the scripture is trustworthy and true when is some cases it is heretical. Also, in my experience, they switch back and forth using the various meanings without clearly identifying which meaning they have in mind. Because of this it is difficult to communicate clearly when using this term.
Relics of saints have been venerated since the early days of the church, and Catholics, some Anglicans, and Eastern Orthodox Christians do so today. Such veneration is based on things like the following: 2 Kings 13:20-21 “Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring. 21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man’s body into Elisha’s tomb. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet. “–NIV version Many believe that God works miracles through the veneration (not worship) of those whose remains they are. In kissing a relic, we symbolically kiss a saint. If a loved one dies, we may keep a lock of their hair as a memento. It’s a tangible link to that person. So it is with relics. Those who say that this has no basis in Scripture obviously haven’t read it all. The early councils of the church, with concrete links to the apostles and those who lived while Christ walked the earth, approved such veneration.
Dear Elspeth. Shalom, and welcome to this site. You wrote: Relics of saints have been venerated since the early days of the Church. My comment: Something that has been done a million times, is not correct because it has been done a million times. A lie that has been told 100 million times, is still a lie. A skull should be kept in the grave, even if someone likes to have it in their living room,want to bow down to it and kiss it.
Dear Elspeth. Shalom. In regards to adoration of skulls and bones, the Zoo might be a good place to start. Or even better. The Zoological Museums. There must have been holy animals that entered into Noa’s Arc, that should be brought into our Churches. There might be miracles linked to such items also. Just a joke. I trust Jesus. Please to the same. And leave the skulls alone, and please keep them in the grave.
The corpse of pope Paul XXIII looks a litle bit like Santa Claus. Sorry folks, never heart of Pope Paul the 23rd. I think the corps belongs to Pope John the 23rd. But keep up the good work in the name of JESUS to show all the wrong doings of the Antichrist Church. God bless you all
The bodies of those dedicated to God in baptism are authentic Temples of the Holy Spirit. Much more so than was the (now destroyed) Jerusalem Temple. What would your average Christian give to be able to view the Jerusalem Temple, preserved just as it was, in days of old? The bodies of those who sleep in Christ are sacred Temples in their own right, according to the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ. Worship of such things would be wrong, and every Catholic knows that, but the proper veneration of the earthly remains of God’s true servants … looking forward to their (and our own) glorious resurrection is right, just, and as authentically Christian as anything can possibly be. Only those who came upon the scene some 1500 years or more after Jesus and the Apostles, and who attempted to recreate the Christian faith according to the scant accounts they could glean from a book, while eschewing all that came before them, could get things this wrong. Your ignorance regarding these matters is truly impressive!
Matthew 23 v 27 sums it all up, whitewashed sepulchures full of DEAD MENS BONES. I don’t need a pope , I’ve got the Son of the living God, Jesus Christ.
Jesus did NOT say: you are peter & upon Peter & ALL his successors i will build my church. This is what the Lord says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the Lord. (Jeremiah 17:5 NIV84). Put no man before the Lord and how many of us Catholics were instructed to read church teachings from popes & saints which kept us from reading the Lord’s words. Simply by reading all those other people’s teaching and spending hours saying their formulated prayers or venerating the bones of saints, we have placed other men before the Lord. My mother was a holy woman; she died by all RCC Rules a saint. If a bishop exhumed her bones & put her on display in my hometown church, I would be appalled & disgusted! Leaders of countries are allowed to rest in peace, so let whom-you-believe-to-be-fellow-believers rest in peace.
hi. i was deepley disturbed by the fact that the catholic church are ceeping dead bodies of popes in the vatican! Let this dead popes be burried in the graveyard and then you cuold instead put flowers on their graves! We should not pray to mortal man or anything in G-ds creation accept G-d himself because he is our Creator. Yeshua is our only way to the Kingdoom of G-d. May you all have a blessed day
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol
There is no better time to respond to the concerns raised in this article. Just yesterday, 2 November 2011, the Church commemorated the All Souls, the day when the Church prays for all departed souls. This day comes on the heels of the Solemnity of All Saints which we keep on 1 November. What happens when a Pope dies? Traditionally the body is dressed in state with the red and gold chasuble and the fanon of white silk and gold thread. In former times, the body was always carried to the small Chapel of the Blessed Sacrament on the right side of the basilica, midway up the great nave. He was laid in state for two days, for without embalming it was not possible to view the body any longer. At the appointed time, the body was carried in great solemnity to the High Altar for the Mass of the Dead. “Immediately after the general absolution, the body was placed in triple coffins; cypress, lead, and elm, at the side of which stand the chief priest of the Basilica and the Cardinal Camerlengo. Two veils of silk were placed over the face and hands of the pontiff. A great clanking re-echoed from chapel to chapel; it was caused by the taps of the coffin which was being sealed, and crossed with violet ribbons. Even to this day, three coffins are used. The first, made of cypress, like Paul VI’s, is to signify that even the popes are human and are buried like common men. The second, of lead, bears the name of the pontiff, the dates of his pontificate, and copies of the documents of profound importance issued under his seal. The broken seal of office is placed within the lead coffin by the Camerlengo prior to final closure. Finally, the third coffin, made of elm, the most precious of local woods available in Rome, is used to signify the great dignity of the man being laid to his rest. Thanks to this ancient custom, many early documents of the Church have been conserved. Once the body is sealed within its final coffin, with only the deceased pontiff’s family and immediate household present to attend him, he is lowered into the crypt below St. Peter’s, through the Confession of St. Peter, where the sanpietrini place the heavy cargo on a wagon, to be wheeled to the place the pontiff chose himself for his final resting place. Soon after, a sarcophagus would be fashioned by one of the great artists of the era, marking the grave site for all time. In ordinary terms, the simple procedure is that the Popes are buried in the graveyard which is below Saint Peter’s Basilica among their predecessors. However, the pope can choose the actual place where they want to be placed in the graveyard. These are called tombs. From Simon Peter to John Paul II, about 100 papal tombs can be seen today in the Vatican Grottoes. The Vatican Grottoes is the grave yard of the Vatican City. It is not a secret place and any one can visit the Vatican Grottoes which is a major tourist attraction in Italy. In the Vatican Grottoes, pilgrims can see all the tombs of the popes in there. On 2 November every year when the Church prays for all souls, the Pope and other pilgrims present go to the Vatican Grottoes to say prayers for the late popes. This is in line with the practice everywhere when the faithful in families and parishes visit cemeteries to remember and pray for the dead. In accordance with different cultures, some lay flowers on the graves of their departed friends. This is not to worship the dead, but to pray that if they are in purgatory, that mercy be shown on them and be admitted into the kingdom of God. This is not a unique practice but it is practiced everywhere in the Catholic Church. The question which probably worries none believers is why Popes are preserved in this way. Different cultures have a way of preserving the remains of their beloved ones. I worked in Bulawayo for about three years attending Holy Mass at the Cathedral of Immaculate Conception. The space between the Bishop’s house and the Hall is called the Garden of Rest. It’s a beautiful garden that is ever green and during my stay in Bulawayo I always volunteered to maintain the Garden. In the Garden of Rest in Bulawayo there is a Grotto with the statue of Our Lady, holding the corpse of Jesus Christ after the crucifixion before burial. On the left of the Grotto, there is a black metal cabinet with many compartments. In this cabinet are the remains of the soul departed, perhaps important members of the community of the Archdiocese of Bulawayo. Their names are written on each compartment. They were cremated and laid there. The faithful who wish to pray for the dead love to visit this play and say their prayers. In my family, we have a family cemetery. We have never done cremation. We believe in digging an deep hole and lay the remains of the departed in the grave. Once in a while, we also visit the cemetery to say prayers and put flowers on the graves of our beloved ones whose remains lie at the cemetery. The use of tombs dates back to about 1 500 years before Christ. When Jesus died, he too was placed in a tomb and according to the gospel narratives, we know that this tomb was accessible. In my Shona culture, according to oral tradition, we know that Kings were buried in caves and these caves were accessible, only blocked by a big rock. In ancient Egypt, the remains where mummified, that is dried to ensure that the remains do not quickly decompose and were placed in tombs easily accessible by upcoming generations. Recent archaeological excavations reveal that this practice was not exclusive to Egyptians only but even in modern day Great Britain where mummies dating back to 1500BC where excavated. After resurrection of Jesus, the Christian Church suffered greatly from persecution. We know from the gospel narratives that the tomb of Jesus himself was guarded because the authorities feared that disciples ‘would come and steal him.’ What to do with the bodies of the deceased was thus an important question. I would love to believe that this was not too difficult to deal with in as much as the remains of ordinary people were concerned. What we know, is that the Church can account for the remains of most of the saints of the early Church. Why was that? This was because Christian cities valued the title for the last resting place of the most famous saints. Which is why Rome houses the tombs of Peter and Paul. In the early centuries, relics of saints were zealously guarded and highly prized. The bones of those martyred in the Coliseum, for instance, were quickly gathered and preserved. The story is the same for most famous saints. Churches were then built in memory of these saints and their remains would be given a resting place in these Churches. Just as an example. The remains of Mary Magdalene are found in the Basilica of Saint Maximin, south of France. The remains of Saint Faustina rest in the Sanctuary of Divine Mercy in Krakow-Lagiewniki. In April 2008, the remains of Padre Pio went on public display in the old church of Saint Mary of Grace in San Giovanni Rotondo. In line with the same tradition Rome houses several saints. However, most popes are not on display as the saints but laid to rest in the Vatican Grottoes, which is like a cemetery accessible like any family cemetery. During the beatification of John Paul II, his tomb was withdrawn from the Grottoes and moved to the place of the ceremony. In short, preserving the remains of our beloved ones is a common practice among humanity. Jesus was buried in a tomb openly accessible. Which is why Mary Magdalene was able to get to the place where his body was and panicked when she found him gone. Which is why the tomb of Saint Peter himself the first Pope, can be found in the Vatican Grottoes. These provide a solid memory for the Church which claims its foundation in Jesus himself. This memory is so powerful and authentic that even the tomb of Jesus Christ is also preserved and accessible in Israel, the Holy Land, to convince the doubting Thomas that the story of salvation is not fiction. It has not been possible to preserve the body of Jesus Christ because he rose on the third day. When Catholics visit their Gardens of Rest, they do so, not to worship the dead, but to pray the same universal prayer which even non-believers use – ‘May they rest in peace!’
Proudly Catholic, Please don’t post such long posts. Keep it short and sweet if possible. I’m not sure I understand you lesson in Catholic pope burials. it’s still ungodly to venerate their bodies and parade them around to be revered. The funny thing is there is NO proof in scripture that Peter was even in Rome.
The questions raised are based on lack of knowledge of historical facts not theology and it is important to respond to all issues that you address in this article. The writer is certainly lazy to read and research deeper beyond common speculations. When you said it is ungodly, you are speaking according to who? There are many gods in this world and certainly, I have given you proof that Christian tradition preserved and venerated it dead. This is why the women were going to the tomb when they found Jesus alive. They had with them spices and perfumed oils, because this was the tradition. And I am surprised to hear you say that there is no proof in scripture that Peter was even in Rome. The Holy Bible does not pretend to be the story of Peter and the Apostles. The New Testament is the story of Jesus of Nazareth and does not carry the story of the Apostles to its conclusion. This history is carried in the undisputed history of the church by secular writers. We know from reliable archaeological findings and and tradition that Peter went to Rome in the course of his apostolate and was martyred there in around 67AD by the Roman Emperor Nero who publicly called himself the enemy of Jesus Christ. Bodies of Popes are not carried around but are found in the Vatican Grottoes which as popular as any cemetery where figures of historical significance are found. In Zimbabwe where I live, we have our own National Heroes Acre where we honor sons and daughters of the soil. This is not unique to Vatican. But it is of course to lazy bloggers who love to write and hate to read and research.
Dear Proudly Catholic, Thank you for your response. I was born, raised, and Catholic educated including University. The Lord pulled me out of Catholicism and gave me eyes to see the true gospel of Jesus was kept from me. I now have eyes to see. You don’t need deep research to see the ungodly. Any child can see a dead body covered with wax with people praying to it as ungodly. Or praying to body parts, like holy bones or holy organs. You say Catholic church history is “undisputed”…according to who? To them? Well of course. There is more history than their claim of it, I assure you. Many secular writers would disagree with your statement of undisputed history.
I see where you are coming from. I respect your choices and your freedom of conscience. You did the right thing. No one must continue to pursue what they do not believe. However, i happen to understand and believe in the Jesus Christ who was revealed to me by the Catholic Church. I am happy, together with my fellow believers like Mother Theresa, to be condemned by people like you, for this is the essence of faith. Not to follow the crowd, but the Truth as God reveals it to all of us. I am happy to be judged by the whole world, just like Jesus was accused of healing people through demons. I will be glad if only you can manage the dignity of respecting other people’s freedom of conscience.
I am in disbelief. So often I read these threads by Catholics and little if ANY scripture is posted from them. Stop all the rambling and let the WORD of GOD speak. Blessings. 1John 1:4 And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. 1John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. John 8:46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?
Thanks again for your response and for your respect. I wondered your thoughts on this since you brought up Mother Theresa. She said: “I love all religions. … If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there.” She encouraged the dying to pray to their Hindu gods and hoped that she could make a Hindu a better Hindu and a Buddhist a better Buddhist. This is not Christianity and the opposite of Gospel. Matthew 28: 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age. I pray you will come to the full knowledge of the Gospel. Blessings.
Ha ha ha ha. If you think coming out of the Catholic Church like you did is ‘full knowledge of the Gospel’ then you may find my spirituality at war with such a ‘blessing’. I prefer drinking from the cup Mother Theresa and all the saints drank, for Jesus tells me that apples do not grow from the thorn tree. Neither do thorns from an apple tree. Thus I too ask Blessed Mother Theresa to enlighten all those who think they are more Christian than Christ, and make it their vocation to attack the members of the household of God as she herself said, “If I ever become a Saint—I will surely be one of ‘darkness.’ I will continually be absent from Heaven—to light the light of those in darkness on earth .”
No one is attacking you. I was asking your opinion on her telling people to become better Hindu’s, Buddhists, etc. instead of repenting and accepting Jesus. Please explain how this is in line with the Gospel.
I’ve watched this back and forth argument for many weeks now. I know you all hate long posts, but the words of God says it better than anything I can say. If the webmaster here finds this offensive, then delete it. Read these words of God in sequence as I have reproduced them, then ask yourself if Mary, Popes, Brahma, Vishnu, Mohammed, Allah, Joseph Smith, The Watchtower, or any other entity in this Universe is worth giving the time of day to. The Lord Jesus Christ did it all, Himself, and to Him alone do I cleave to. Sola Scriptura. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Ga 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Isa 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: 1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
Dear Amanda Shalom. Can God die?….Nope My reply Jesus did not die, in the human fleshy thinking about “death”. Jesus took your death. Your 100 per cent sure death followed by eternal judgement. If Jesus had not taken the punishment you deserve, there is a better chance that a snowball will survive the fire of Hell, than that you will avoid being sent to this hot place. Jesus died on the cross, and spent three days and three nights in in the grave. The good news is that He is the resurrection and life. Death could not destroy him, and the grave could not contain Him, the creator and author of life.
Only God in human flesh could provide the once-for-all-time infinite sacrifice as the Lamb of God. Jesus was fully God and fully man–that is the mystery of the Incarnation. Satan will have his own false version of the Messiah soon. The Antichrist will be fully indwelt by Satan. His brief reign will bring unprecedented terror to the earth before our Righteous King Jesus vanquishes the Antichrist.
jesus is only a prophet. he said ”i am a man sent by god’ read bible how can a god protrayed prophet die in cross crusified along with three robbers together. without reincarnation and law of karma theory, it is not possible to explain why a pious man suffers and bad person enjoy the life. twins born to a mother- one child became rich after ages passed while other child when grown to adult is suffering in health and become poor. why such inequalities and inequities exists in world. this is due to law of karma – good and bad deeds and its causes are called karmas – theory of hinduism which carry foward to next birth in reincarnation. under this theory, all living entities like birds,animals, plants have souls and life – otherwise this theory can not be valid. but in christianity, animals ,birds and plants have no souls and they were created for the pleasure of human beings. worship of deads leave many unanswered questions like where the soul rest during this time till body resurrection takes place when jesus comes on the judgement day. that means the soul has so much attachement and desire for the body in which it stayed. christianity is full of faulty doctrine and illogical concepts and fallacies and pitfalls in every aspects. better one can be an athiest rather than believing false prophet and false religion.
AG, You are wrong. Jesus is God, and you risk an eternity of Hell for not believing that he is who he says he is! Matthew 1:23 – “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 – (Jesus is the First and the Last) You said: how can a god protrayed prophet die in cross crusified along with three robbers together. My Comment: The Bible is clear. Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood —to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished — It is clear. Jesus said whoever does not belive in him, will perish.
dear Gloria Becouse i do not believe jesus, i am condemned to hell and burned in fire. No problem as i live in earth as a good soul now and believe in reincarnation. so my good deeds (karmas ) will give me good birth in next life. i would believe this logical and reality rather than believing on faith based false religion with many fallacies and illogical concept of faulty doctrine, not in reality to the practical life. praying dead bodies is a foolish act. Think yourself as a ” good soul” and “Blessed with the life of human beings ” and not believe yourself as ” sinner” . one person sin is passed on generation race to you- i mean remembering you the adam and eve story. sin is not a electricity to pass on through generation. Christianity brain washes and engage in ” soul harvesting , corrupting your mind and fooling people. pl either think of any other god or be an atheist in life. so that in next birth you can still enjoy your soul itself instead of getting salvation from your jealous god crusified. how can he wash your sins by his blood? if you commit a murder, will your state police let you free without punishing you ? jesus story is a great imagination of some foolish person.
Hello AG Swamy, You said: Becouse i do not believe jesus, i am condemned to hell and burned in fire. No problem as i live in earth as a good soul now and believe in reincarnation. My comment: That is a lie from the devil to rope in as many souls he can get. If you do not believe in Jesus and die without him, truthfully with love I say it is hell where you will be going. Romans 2:6-8 He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. Your comment; pl either think of any other god or be an atheist in life. so that in next birth you can still enjoy your soul itself instead of getting salvation from your jealous god crusified. My comment: Jesus says: John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.” I will put my faith in Christ, and in no one esle. Your coment: how can he wash your sins by his blood? if you commit a murder, will your state police let you free without punishing you ? jesus story is a great imagination of some foolish person. My comment: Then call me foolish, because I have been in the presence of Christ (all Glory goes to him) He has washed away my sins, and I have faith in him completely. John 4:10-14 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.” “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his flocks and herds?” Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
There is no question, the practice of keeping dead corpses around is ignorant, and contrary to it’s own teachings. Go ask your local pastor if you can donate money to build a display for your dead relative, who lived a good life. Tell them you want to put it in one of the corners or alcoves so people an visit and share the message. See what the reaction is.
“A dead Pope, denied a place to rest in a tomb of silence. Kept for adoration and worship.” Only Jesus deserves our adoration and worship. Re-read the commandments in Exodus 10; we are strictly prohibited from worship using any image, carved or otherwise. That includes many items used during a Catholic mass. Keep your eyes on the soon returning Messiah, Jesus Christ. Read your Bible, share the good news and keep worship simple.
[...] Catholic worship of corpses, skulls and bones has its origin in the crypt in St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican. A total of 91 popes are buried in crypts in the grotto in St. Peters Basilica in Rome. This including popes like Innocent IX, Benedicts XII and XV, Pius XI and Paul VI. But not all the Popes are buried and kept for display inside the Vatican. Pope Celestino is kept in the open of St. Maria of Collemaggio Church in L’Aquila in central Italy. The roof this Church came down during the earthquake on April 6th 2009. Read More source News That Matters [...]
As a Catholic It is impossible on this vitriolic Catholic bashing website to get anywhere with this bunch. Don’t throw your pearls to swine, they are invincible in their close mindedness and hatred for anything Catholic. You can quote scripture till your blue in the face and and all they do is repeat the same scripture out of context of the whole Bible. Truth in ISOLATION is HERESY and they are masters at it. Trying to logically and biblically defend your position is like a Jew telling Hamas they are not their enemy. Ivarfeld lives to cause derision and hatred for Catholics, all in the name of SHALOM. He is a proud hater working against the kingdom of God just like Paul before his conversion. Only a lightening bolt could change his invincible ignorance and blind hatred that he has, Forget reason and logic, and I might add even the Bible he claims to obey. I reluctantly read these posts and I find that most of the people that Catholic bash only listen to themselves and never respond, or even try to understand where we are coming from. They probably feel they don’t need to they have it all figured out. I bet if Jesus himself got in the discussion they would bash his mother right in front of him and tell Him that He isn’t SAVED.. This website is nothing short of appalling. If you possess the TRUTH as you claim you do. Then stop inflaming people with your articles that twist the truth and have a SERIOUS discussion on the differences. That way both sides can understand where they are coming from and make a decision based on TRUTH, not on Emotion. I might add to all those Catholic bashing folk, pick up a book called ” A Biblical defense of Catholicism” by Dave Armstrong if you dare. After all if you all believe that you have the authority to interpret scriptures on your own then, whose to say and with what authority that the Catholic interpretation of scripture is wrong?.If you have the TRUTH as your guide then you need not fear reading this book, just as I do not fear reading the Koran..
Pat, No matter which you way you twist it, the Word of God is the complete truth. That you bow down and pary to dead flesh and bones not only goes against his Word, but also is a disgusting display. What do you think you’ll receive when bowing down to a dead man and praying to it? What answer do you think you’ll get when you pray to Mary who was a sinner like us all? Like I said no matter which way you or the pope twist it, God’s Word is the complete truth. Romans 1:25 Because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
In 2nd Thessalonians it’s written, 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Does ayone know of another person who has made this claim besides the pope? Here is a quote from pope Leo XIII in the apostolic leetter, “Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae”. “But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty…” http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13praec.htm No wonder popes capitalize pronouns when speaking of themselves, they probably think they are taking God’s place here.
I just had to add a remark to the last comment regarding the forbidding of marriage of “priests”. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Exodus 20:1-5 New International Version (NIV) The Ten Commandments 20 And God spoke all these words: 2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, John 4:24 New International Version (NIV) 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Saint Ivo of Kermartin was canonized in June 1347 A.D. The Roman Catholic faithful parades his skull. The bones of the saint have gone missing.
Walking around in female dresses, Roman Catholic priests parade a skull through a street in France.
Saint Ivo of Kermartin (17 October 1253 – 19 May 1303), also known Yvo or Ives, as Erwann (in Breton) and as Yves Hélory (also Helori or Heloury in French), was a parish priest among the poor of Louannec, the only one of his station to be canonized in the Middle Ages. He is the patron of Brittany, lawyers, and abandoned children. His feast day is May 19. Poetically, he is referred to as “Advocate of the Poor.” Ivo was canonized in June 1347 by Clement VI at the urging of Philip I, Duke of Burgundy. Source: Wikipedia Source of some of the photos My comment: Christians who have been persecuted by Rome, have possibly been puzzled by where the root of evil is to be found in this religious movement. The theology of the Roman Catholic Religion is so not biblical, that the absence of the Holy Spirit will be total. When the Holy Spirit rejects this Church, religious spirits will take over. Now the most insane and perverse manifestation can take place. When you look at educated man parading a skull on their shoulders, religious perversion has reached the nadir. The lowest thinkable level. Take a look at these pictures:
There is no explanation why the skull is kept in a golden box. May be the priests are scared of theft?
Not only priest, but also laymen parades the skull through the streets.
The Roman Catholic priests are not alone. Faithful followers of the Pope turn up in their hundreds.
The skull is kept safely inside the Church in France.
Catholics light candle’s and worship in front of the skull. Do they really think the skull can see them?
We have earlier published on this blog, that the bones of this “saint” have gone missing, and were most likely taken to Rome as a part a beautification process. Based on this disconnection of the skull from its bones, we can easily be lead to ask the following question:
Educated Catholic “nobel men” mocking God, and make Him their very enemy.
Are these Roman Catholic priest taking the skull for a stroll, in a bid to find the lost bones? What else can be a valid motive, for this kind of public parade of rather insane religious people? Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers. May every Christian be given the power of the Holy Spirit, to stay away from such assemblies of the wicked. Written by Ivar
Dear Michelle Shalom. Thanks for this comment. I have seen Roman Catholics carrying a lot of idols on their shoulders. I have also seen them carrying body parts, like a holy tongue of a saint. But to carry a skull, that is: Creepy.
Buddhists also carry ‘gods’ on their shoulders throughout the streets. This is paganism 101. People standing around venerating a skull as if it had magic powers. The Lion of Judah has the final word.
Ivar what are your thoughts on the Shroud of Turin? Do you consider them to be similar to bones that are possibly being worshipped? I have a friend slash pastor that seems to think its the real deal and we have been debating the subject? I value your opinion.
Dear Richard. Shalom. Shroud of Turin? I put my face in the towels ever day. Heaven forbid, anyone starting to collect them, and declare them “holy”. Like all other Roman Catholic relics. Made up stories. Jesus did not permit anyone to take his “photo”, make a statue or make even a painting of Him. In Judaism, it is a grave sin to make an image of God.
Amen, Ivar. Jesus never said that there would be an image of Himself that would manifest on a cloth and be in the possession of the Roman Catholic church. Anyone with even basic knowledge of the Bible could put two and two together and understand that this would be idolatry, which is forbidden. How sad that there are so many self-righteous blind teachers out there growing as tares among the wheat. These men are drowning in their own pride and deception and actually BELIEVE the myriad of lies they tell to their victims. They claim to be scholars, but their words deny the very essence of what the Bible teaches. They embrace doctrines of demons and whitewash membership in the RCC, calling it benign. They make up their own rules for salvation as they sow error and heresy. Woe to them when they are confronted by a God of Justice, who hates lies, will not share his Glory with another, nor will He compromise His Holiness with the “church” of satan. These men have merely “hours” to repent, or prepare for at best the loss of all rewards at the BEMA judgment, or at worst, a “vacation” in the Great Tribulation and/or eternal damnation.
Your face is one thing Ivar. God’s face is another. I believe it’s real. But the Catholic Church has not stated whether it’s real, or not, and may never do so…I wonder-why do you think so many paintings of Jesus look very similar? I think it’s because they knew what he looked like from his image. You’re very sad, too bad you don’t have any pictures of your loved ones around to remember them by…
David…how terribly sad you’d speak to Ivar so….it reveals your lack of care for ones heart as well as your own lack of spiritual knowledge and closeness to Ivar’s Beloved Lord Jesus Christ. whom you claim to know by ‘pictures thru the Catholic’s…whom came along 300 years after Christ rose from the grave…Sweetheart…please check your own self at the door (the heart of Jesus before you decide to chasten and hurt his children) though you don’t and can’t hurt us…we are crucified with him (smile) … His Word tells us ‘not to know him ‘after the flesh but to know him after the Spirit. …also we don’t know him as a ‘baby in a manger…though he was there…we don’t know him ‘on the cross’ though he was there also…we don’t know him as in the tomb..though he was there..we don’t know him in hell though he was there also… also..we don’t know him as risen walking around Earth with over 500 who rose from the dead with him…’though we ‘do know him in all these things of a truth…but we know him now as THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY…JESUS THE MESSIAH …The Lion of Judah He will not come back as that Baby or as any Lamb..but He will return ….you and I and we all ‘need to be ready it could be today, tonight tomorrow or anytime…so for you to be so sarcastically ”defending that Jesus is the ‘Look-a-like’ that billions have seen is not only foolish….its down right stupid…artists have changed and softened that picture over the centuries till now…you would not accept the original one…but this one you would…it only took a dumb devil to fool you ….but don’t feel too bad Sweetie …it only took a dumb devil to deceive us all at on time…and the Love of Jesus Christ got thru our hard-headed stubbornness and we repented and chose His Word and not our devilish opinion of Christ…that was Satan’s lies we had chose to believe! …(many dispute several areas I mentioned however I don’t dispute the Word which mentioned each several times all thru the Word..so I just let them exercise their disputing muscles till they come to the knowledge also… So dear as a Man you appear to be (when you want to be)…you really owe Ivar an apology! That was not nice ‘to say ‘you were sorry he did not have any picture of his family…’While you defended a cultish Catholic Religion that has been in the business of deceiving and helping to send millions to burn in hell-fire hating Jesus Christ for ..One thousand, six hundred and seventy years approximately ..1670…Wow!! since 300 years after Jesus rose from the dead…Wow …that’s ‘sick’ and ‘cruel’..
I went to a Catholic (Monastery) Church, Historical Building out in New Mexico many ‘many’ years ago..it was a Tourist spot..(inside a bowl of sorts) was where you made the donations if you enjoyed it and to help fray the bills of maintaining the ‘unique historical artifacts’. Having guests with us, they wanted to “go in”…As we entered the ‘smell of death’ was prevalent so very strong..our guests said it smelled musty and ghoulish. As we were lead around, we saw many bones…and many artifacts. At the front of the (back from the front door) Church, Altar, we saw a Coffin..but this coffin was like the ones we see on this site often lately. This coffin had a whole skeleton …with all sorts of things…a Priest appeared and asked ‘the group’ if they wanted to ‘take Communion’..Many did, and when my family and the guest declined, Some others did as well. they asked Why did we decline. I told them this place is an entrance to Hell. There are many and this one is one.Plus it had nothing to do with The Lord Jesus Christ. These pictures lately, has brought that day so clear in my memory. There is another place I know of with the same experience but far worse. The Edger Casey Building in Virginia Beach, Va.You can literally feel and sense the demonic activity in such a horrific atmosphere. I say worse only because many seek and believe in the Readings for healing and deliverance. But as I think about it…I guess the Catholic Church would by far be much worse since they reach by far more millions. England has a large following of Edgar Casey also.I do apologize for the length this time…just wanted to get this said. As much as I don’t like seeing this stuff, I am so thankful to The Lord Jesus Christ for yall making sure this cult is know for what they really are under the appearance to the blinded of God. But it is a Cult the World approves of!. But in these last days it will be us The Christians who will be sought after as a Cult even by many who we would think would never turn against The Lord. or us. Thank you.
There’s no way this is a Catholic monastery. The give-away is that the priest, out of the blue, asked if you wanted to ‘take commmunion.” Unless you can provide a name, I’d say this is not a Catholic place.
Darlin….if I said ”that priest at that monastery in New Mexico asked if we wanted to take Communion” ..you can bet your bottom dollar ‘it was’…because what I say ”I know ‘My God sees, and hears me’ …for He is ever before my face…so it don’t matter a flying ‘flip’ if you believe me or not,..or if it is out of the blue or green or any color for you to believe me…(smile)… What I would like is that one day prayerfully ‘sooner’…that you would be ever aware that the presence of The Lord before in such a way that you’d ‘say excuse me if you belched’! So aware that ‘HE is so real…to you!! and so aware that if one were to offend one of His it would deeply touch your own heart…you my dear one mean a lot to Jesus…but your games are the games of the devil…Children play them all thru the back woods of Voodoo Villages and in the market places of larger cities they play them with Tarah Cards in more acceptable places like Fox News they play them with the Pope (Catholic Church)….Oh yeah your games are well known, from sea to village to the deep bushes…but you are ever before the Eyes of the Master…and the Blood you reject to accept the toilet mixed blood of dogs from the men who carry dead men bones on their shoulders would lead you to hells gates…Repent while you can..Repent while you can…The Love of Christ is still Freely waiting for you to openly join Him and leave the “masses”…Many are called and few there be that will follow…..
I was carrying the pope with another seven men when I saw a 10,000 Lire bank note on the pavement. I went to pick it up; only to find the pope tumble after me. I said to him; ” you greedy dog you, haven’t you got enough as it is with your golden bed ??? How dare he?? He was not as dry as the scull but he might as well, he’s just as dead!!
What cracks me up is that you people think that this is sick – and it’s no different from your own beliefs – it’s just a different ball park. And typically you think that on the last day everybody will run to you for help. I think that Freud had something to say about that.
>>>And typically you think that on the last day everybody will run to you for help<<<< No Sweetie, Mature Christians know you or anyone like you WILL NOT, run to us in the last day for help. Hearts will be so hardened to The Lord Jesus Christ & to all who are His! That's why we are pleading, praying, fasting, interceding for all to Repent & Believe The Gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ. So that you & all who don't want the Truth about any & all cults to be exposed. And condemn those who will speak The Truth. This is NO GAME…IT IS YOUR ETERNAL DESTINATION. For The Love of God I implore you to quit this fanciful attitude and childish mockery you take such jest in against The Lord of Glory & his people. Time is way too short. Jesus said, there will be gnashing of teeth, screaming, wailing cursing God and hating all that are His. Please don't continue to be among those whose eternal destination will be far more heinous, painful than the dredges of Satan's work revealed thus far. You are truly very special to The Lord, He paid such a High Price for you & me & all mankind, by His Great Love & Sacrifice. Don't reject it because of foolishness and sheer stubborn rebellion. For a truth, The Word of God is Real it's Alive.
Andrea, Just before my conversion to being born again, I was studying Edgar Cayce so he is a temptation especially to overweight people like me with his phycic advise.
How is Edgar Cayce a temptation to you? Chocolate Candy etc stuff like that yeah …(smile) even some good food I could name many however…but Edgar Cayce?? A dead man? A dead man who listened to the voice of devils? You’re smarter than that…:) Aren’t you? (smile) Satan will always try to tempt us…read what Brother James tells us about temptation…James if you’re in Matthew take a Right…if you’re in Jude take a Left… (smile) I’m looking forward to hearing from you..it is quite obvious that your spirit needs to “Fatten UP” and less fear on the physical… As long as some dumb devil can keep your eyes on the physical you’ll not be able to enjoy all the Fatten Meals The Lord has for you in the Spirit He says…Come taste…(smile)
Never ceases to amaze how white middle class well educated people could be so easily drawn into this witch craft. Anyone who venerates the bones of the dead like this clearly is dead already.
It’s not about class or well educated, it’s all spiritual. Jesus said in Matthew 18:23 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. I am not inferring you are not saved. I am ‘only’ reminding you, me, us all, that it’s not about educated or class distinction. It’s spiritual.The spirits who are so deceived, they are warned before they choose, yet they still choose, either because ‘it’s their family tradition, it feels right, or good, or even they in their own minds choose to believe The Word don’t really mean that, No, way can it be that simple ‘just to repent & believe’. So we re-wrote The Word of God to suit our belief and anything or anyone who comes too close, we’ll go into a defensive mode, thereby hardening our heart all the more. Sad but true. The molded soul (mind,will & emotions) will deny God and His Truth when it is right in front of them. It’s seen in every negative response to all who reject the sincerity of all who try to share The Gospel of Jesus Christ and unfold coltish behavior on this site. But if we choose His Word like a child eager to hear, learn, to sit under His Wing to dwell forever.
Dear David Shalom. You wrote: A problem with your (mis)characterization…it’s not witchcraft. It’s God-craft. My reply: Remember that Jesus the Messiah said, that God is not God of the dead, but God of the living. Dead bones are nothing but, dead bones. Leave them alone. To carry them around on your shoulders, and call this an “act of holiness”, is quite insane.
I suspect that Jesus would very strongly disapprove of the veneration of dead body parts, since He spoke disparagingly of hypocritical Sadducees and Pharisees being like “whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but are within full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness.” (Matthew 23:27) In addition, since death is the last enemy of God, (1 Cor. 15:26) why would He want us parading around symbols of death? Even the Catholic crucifix is a problem, as it presents death imagery–rather than the empty cross which is an emblem of Christ’s victory over death. Even worse is the “bent cross” or the “inverted cross” carried by the Pope or associated with him. Both are Satanic symbols.
Wisdom comes from god not by people like you who run websites. Saints are greater proofs of people who had faith in christ. If you really loved christ you will never hate anything not even suffering. Search god not loopoles whether Roman Catholic faith is good or not. All the people you have seen there are the one who felt the love of god. we venerate saints so that we can associate them with our life we ask them to pray for us as if they are our family member. we don’t see them as death. we see them as living beings who can pray for us along with us. if you really want to know whether these things done by R. C people are correct. First start loving christ and to love chirst you have imitate and become chirst and how christ was himself. Then you will not need any research my sweet heart. May god bless you.
I just happened across the shrine of Philomena not far from my home. The shrine to worship the alleged Greek virgin martyr to whit: http://parish.holyspiritrcs.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=343&Itemid=121 Reported life of the Saint On 21 December 1833, the Holy Office declared that there was nothing contrary to the Catholic faith in the revelations that Sister Maria Luisa di Gesù (1799–1875), a Dominican tertiary from Naples, claimed to have received from the Saint herself.[11] According to Sister Maria Luisa di Gesù, Saint Philomena told her she was the daughter of a king in Greece who, with his wife, had converted to Christianity. At the age of about 13 she took a vow of consecrated virginity. When the Emperor Diocletian threatened to make war on her father, her father went with his family to Rome to ask for peace. The Emperor fell in love with the young Philomena and, when she refused to be his wife, subjected her to a series of torments: scourging, from whose effects two angels cured her; drowning with an anchor attached to her (two angels cut the rope and raised her to the river bank); being shot with arrows, (on the first occasion her wounds were healed; on the second, the arrows turned aside; and on the third, they returned and killed six of the archers, after which, several of the others became Christians). Finally the Emperor had her decapitated. The story goes that the decapitation occurred on a Friday at three in the afternoon, as with the death of Jesus. The two anchors, three arrows, the palm and the ivy leaf on the tiles found in the tomb were interpreted as symbols of her martyrdom.[11] In these visions, Saint Philomena also revealed that her birthday was 10 January,[11] that her martyrdom occurred on 10 August (the date also of the arrival of her relics in Mugnano del Cardinale),[8] and that her name “Filumena” meant “daughter of light”. (It is usually taken to be derived from a Greek word meaning “beloved”.)[8] Devotees of Saint Philomena use a truncated version of rosary in their special devotions to her. The Chaplet has three outer white beads, with thirteen inner red beads that are symbolic for each year of her short lifetime. The prayer suggestion for each is: “ Hail, O holy St. Philomena, whom I acknowledge, after Mary, as my advocate within the Divine Spouse, intercede for me now and at the hour of my death. ” Through this Chaplet, Philomena is being strongly identified with Mother Mary. Devotionals are often given to young girls receiving their first Holy Eucharist or on the 13th birthday, used primarily as a steppingstone to practicing devotionals such as the Holy Rosary. Sorry, but this is worship of a dead person with a contrived devotional story. I’m reminded of the English King, proud of King Author’s bones that were given him by monastic monks on the big island. When the King of Scotland was with him on state visit he showed the bones, to which the Scottish king began to laugh. When asked why he laughed, the Sottish King replied, ” those are the bones of an Ox and an Ass.”.
The Popes has official titles that is non-Biblical, and makes him a pagan, wordily emperor misusing the name of “Jesus”.
Most Evangelical Christians are not aware of the blasphemy related to the titles of the Popes. Christian leaders must get connected.
Unfortunately few Evangelical Christians are taught of the blasphemies of the Papacy. To the radial opposite, many Churches hide the facts, or simply have leaders who do not have any knowledge about the topic. So what are the tittles of the Pope? Papal Titles: - His Holiness The Pope; - Bishop Of Rome And Vicar Of Jesus Christ; - Successor Of St. Peter, Prince Of The Apostles; - Supreme Pontiff Of The Universal Church; - Patriarch Of The West; - Servant Of The Servants Of God; - Primate Of Italy; - Archbishop And Metropolitan Of The Roman Province; - Sovereign Of Vatican City State. Source: Catholic TV. Lets take these titles one by one: Today, the first two claims of the Roman Catholic Church: 1. His Holiness The Pope. I would not like to be called “His holiness”. As a disciple of Jesus, I would find such an address funny, a joke, or outright offensive. Because only God is Holiness. All created men are fallible, and sinners. We are called to, but will struggle to live a holy life. To call a man “His holiness”, is like claiming that that this man has accomplished or fulfilled the task of ‘Holiness”, a state of existence that is God Him self. Jesus the Messiah was sometimes flattered. This is one of His replies, with a clear cut rebuke:
Luke 18:19 ‘Why do you call me good?’ Jesus answered. ‘No one is good – except God alone.
2.Bishop Of Rome And Vicar Of Jesus Christ. First: To put these two functions together is done purposely by the Vatican. It implies that God has decided that the Church shall be governed from Rome. By it self an abomination, and an insult to the city of Jerusalem. Who gave the Pope the right to remove this function from the city of David, to the former capital of paganism? It was pagan Rome who destroyed the city of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. When Biblical Christianity spread from the Jewish districts of Judea and Samaria to the ends of the Mediterranean Sea, Rome managed to take over. In the years 315 A.D to 360 A.D, Rome derailed Christianity, and tried to make all the followers of the true faith a subject of the Emperor of Rome. Second: Jesus the Messiah do have a vicar on Earth. But it is not the Pope. The vicar (replacement) for the Messiah, is the Holy Spirit.
John 15:26 ‘When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father – the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father – he will testify about me.
To take the role of the Holy Spirit, is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It is surely a sticky wicket. Because all who submit to this claim, have committed a sin that will never be forgiven. Its a damnable heresy, that automatically will lead to judgment and the fire of Hell.
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.
In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you can see how all teachers of Catholicism is bound to indoctrinate all Catholic children, to make them believers of lies.
936 The Lord made St. Peter the visible foundation of his Church. He entrusted the keys of the Church to him. The bishop of the Church of Rome, successor to St. Peter, is “head of the college of bishops, the Vicar of Christ and Pastor of the universal Church on earth” (CIC, can. 331). 882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.” “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
Source: The Catechism of the Catholic Church The key sentence her, is totalitarian and Fascist by nature. ” a power which he can always exercise unhindered.” This is the authority that has lead to pogroms, bigotry, fascism, inquisitions and genocides. Surely a not biblical authority, given to one of the most powerful antichrists. Why can many people not understand what I try to tell? Simply because the curses is passed on from the parents, to their children. It is very difficult to break this ongoing indoctrination. Many are not even able to obey the 10 commandments. Particularly Roman Catholics, who’s elevation of the Pope amounts to idolatry. A Pope who in return, demands that his subjects bow before statues of “saints” and “madonnas’, pieces of stone and wood.
Exodus 20:4-6
‘You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.
Are you on of the people who have been corrupted by the Papacy, or distribute Catholic dogmas and falsehood? Written by Ivar
The titles of the Popes amount to blasphemy, part II
The Popes has official titles that is non-Biblical, and makes him a pagan, wordily emperor misusing the name of “Jesus”.
A fallible Cardinal becomes supreme and infallible when He is elected as Pope, an ideology with its roots in Fascism.
Unfortunately few Evangelical Christians are taught of the blasphemies of the Papacy. To the radial opposite, many Churches hide the facts, or simply have leaders who do not have any knowledge about the topic. So what are the tittles of the Pope? Papal Titles: - His Holiness The Pope; - Bishop Of Rome And Vicar Of Jesus Christ; - Successor Of St. Peter, Prince Of The Apostles; - Supreme Pontiff Of The Universal Church; - Patriarch Of The West; - Servant Of The Servants Of God; - Primate Of Italy; - Archbishop And Metropolitan Of The Roman Province; - Sovereign Of Vatican City State. Source: Multiple sources: Lets take these titles one by one: Today, the third and forth claims of the Roman Catholic Church: 3. Successor Of St. Peter, Prince Of The Apostles: This claim is built on an ideology of the need for a supreme human being. Let us do some reflections: A: The Apostles Peter do have a successor: B: The Pope is the successor of Peter. First: The Bible do not mention, that a Jew name Peter should have a“successor”, nor be declared a “prince”. He was a fisherman. These are non-Biblical titles, that was gifted the Church of Rome by the Roman Emperor. The dictator in Rome had already set up Jupiter, as the chief “god” of the pagan Roman pantheon of Gods. The successor of “Peter” was supposed to set him self in the chair of Jupiter, and become the new Pontifex Maximus. The head of the religion in the Roman Empire. Second: Christianity can not be inherited. Every man must be born again by the Spirit of God, a sovereign move by Him. Third: Peter was one of the 12 apostles that walked with Jesus the Messiah. He was surely special, in particular for denying Jesus three times. The Messiah once spoke to Him with very harsh words: “Get behind me, Satan”. In anther incident, Peter fell into hypocrisy, and was rebuked by Paul. Not exactly a leader of the flock, nor a good example to follow, if you believe in the infallibility of the Popes. Peter was surely not infallible, and therefor totally disqualified to become the first “Bishop of Rome” and Pope. Forth: God has not appointed a “chief disciple”. We are all called to be priests in the New Testament Royal priesthood of believers, all equal in the eyes of the Lamb of God. Fifth:: If Peter has any successor, all who obey Jesus the Messiah are the successors. Like Peter we are fallible, commits mistakes, and do sometimes even do what we are not supposed to do. 4. Supreme Pontiff Of The Universal Church: This claim is built up on the idea that the Church should have a global leader, who is supreme. In the sense. His authority can not be challenged, since his authority is supposed to be from “god”. We have seen many such claims by men, who have elevated them selves to such heights. Men like Napoleon, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, to mention a few of them. This claim has its origin in fascism and despotism. The fruits have been pogroms, bigotry, inquisitions and even genocides. Bible-obeying Christians has through the ages been massacred in their millions, for not submitting to the authority of the Papacy. His priest and bishops have been the butchers, giving their subjects “holy orders” to terminate people, and even burn “heretics” in public at stake. The Bible speaks about a man of lawlessness, who shall come and elevate Him self to the level of “god”. There is no religious leader on the surface of the Earth, that fits better into this Bible prophecy, than the “Bishop of Rome”. Lets see what the Catholic parents are suppose to let their priests indoctrinate into their children:
936 The Lord made St. Peter the visible foundation of his Church. He entrusted the keys of the Church to him. The bishop of the Church of Rome, successor to St. Peter, is “head of the college of bishops, the Vicar of Christ and Pastor of the universal Church on earth” (CIC, can. 331)
Source: The Catechism of the Catholic Church Lets detect the blasphemy in this doctrine: “The Lord made St. Peter the visible foundation of his Church”. This is an outright insulting and provoking claim from the Roman Catholic Church, twisting the message from God of the Bible. Because the Church has only one foundation, and that in Jesus the rock. To claim Peter to be the “foundation”, is a damnable heresy that mounts to idolatry. “He entrusted the keys of the Church to him”. This is a rather silly claim, regardless if you take this literally or not. If your spiritualize this sentence, you will see that there in no other way to Heaven, but through the Roman Catholic Church. Only through the “successor of Peter”, the door to haven can be opened. The “Roman Catholic Church” has replaced the Messiah as the gate and the door. Not only a horrible deception., but pure and simplistic Satanism, presented to us as “Christendom”. Stay away from such evil doers, who eventually will rob you of your salvation. Written by Ivar
The Pope claim the new covenant is based on the promise of a Chair of Peter placed in Rome.
The Pope sits in the chair of Ceasar, who claim to be the replacement of Jupiter on Earth.
Dwelling upon the Gospel passage in which Peter proclaims Jesus to be “the Christ, the Son of the living God,” the Pope explored the significance of Christ’s response that Peter would be “the rock” upon which the Church was built. The Pope made his remarks in his homily for the Mass of the Solemnity of the Chair of St. Peter. The Pope explained how the old covenant between God and the Jewish people was first made with Abraham, of whom the Prophet Isaiah writes, “look to the rock from which you were hewn … look to Abraham your father.” Therefore, just as Abraham “the father of believers” is seen as “the rock that supports creation,” so too is Peter the basis for a new covenant. He is “the rock that is to prevail against the destructive forces of evil.” He described it as an “enormous bronze throne that seems to hover in mid air, but in reality is supported by the four statues of the great Fathers of the Church from East and West.” Above it, he noted, are “triumphant angles suspended in the air” and the “glory of the Holy Spirit” depicted in the oval window above. Given today’s feast, the sculpture was adorned with 144 burning candles. Pope Benedict proposed that the statue “represents a vision of the essence of the Church and the place within the Church of the Petrine Magisterium.” The Church “is like a window, the place where God draws near to us, where he comes towards our world,” where God “reaches” us and where we “set off” towards him, the Pope explained. Inside the magnificent bronze throne is a wooden chair which was thought for many centuries to have belonged to St. Peter himself but was later discovered to be a 9th century gift to the Pope from the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles the Bald. “Saint Peter’s chair, we could say, is the throne of truth which takes its origin from Christ’s commission after the confession at Caesarea Philippi,” said Pope Benedict. “Whoever believes in Jesus Christ and enters into the dynamic of love that finds its source in the Eucharist,” he stated, “discovers true joy and becomes capable in turn of living according to the logic of this gift.” Source: CNA My comment: Lets keep the damnable blasphemy of the Eucharist aside in this article. Roman Catholic Petrine theology makes a mockery of the Jewish apostle Peter.
On 29 June, the feast of St. Peter, the statue is clothed with an amice, alb, tiara, stole, red cope and a ring so that it practically seems to come to life. Fine marble, Sicilian jasper, green porphyry and the “marble of St. Peter” decorate the pedestal.
A statue of Jupiter in the Vatican, blaspheming and mocking a Jew named Peter.
Demonized priests inside the Vatican literally dress up a piece of black stone, and put a golden stone on its head. The statue looks like the pagan roman “god” of Jupiter, and literally is this pagan idol. Who made this claimed Apostle black?
A black statue which the Vatican claim is the apostle Peter, before the dressing done by the priests.
The King of Tyre was honored in this way, Lucifer.
Ezekiel 28:12-15 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “‘You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.
(end of scripture) The whole Petrine theology is based on the falsification of both the true faith and history. Peter is not the replacement of Jesus on Earth. Peter the apostle is not the rock of our faith. Jesus the Messiah is the rock of our faith. The Holy Spirit is the replacement of Jesus on Earth, and is made available to all believers. This is no historical evidence at all that Peter even was in Rome. Paul was in Rome, and Paul wrote the letter to the believers in Rome. Paul did not even mentioned the name of Peter, not even once in the letters to the Romans. Strange if Peter was supposed to be appointed the first Bishop of Rome.
The Pope is Pontifex Maximus, hailed like Caesar and sits in the throne of Jupiter expressed on this coin.
The Pope is Pontifex Maximus, the sucessor of Caesar, not any Jew. A blasphemous title for a lawless man.
Caesar took the title Pontifax Maximus, the holy father of the Roman religion.
The truth is that the Pope is the replacement of Caesar, the emperor of Rome. Like the Pope, Caesar claimed to be “gods” man on Earth, the representative of the pagan god Jupiter.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
I am sure Peter the Jewish apostle could not have imagined that a claimed “church” would fill his legacy with worldly filth, idolatry and blasphemies. The Vatican honors Lucifer in the name of “Jesus”, the mother of all blasphemies against the Messiah and his true apostles. First published 22nd of February, 2012. Written by Ivar
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Herbert Armstrong was a liar and a false prophet. He believed that God the Father is the ruler of the universe, second in command is Jesus Christ, who is subordinate, and third under Jesus Christ was Herbert W. Armstrong himself. This delusional man thought he was part of the “trinity” and the reincarnation of Elijah. You are deceived, Timothy and are spreading lies. Read more: http://hwarmstrong.com/armstrongism.htm
Denise, Catholic theology teaches that the communion bread turns into the actual body of Jesus, and the wine, His true blood. They say His body, blood, soul and divinity is contained in the bread. They say the bread no longer exists after the priest prays over it, only His body is present. This is called Eucharist.
Dear Denise Shalom. The Eucharist is blasphemy against the passover. Rome would like us to believe the Jews drank the blood of the lamb, before they applied it over the door. Rome teach, that Jesus pointed towards the passover blood and said, this passover blood is my blood. Drink it. The Bible says: “Keep on drinking the passover, but from now on take the cup in REMEMBRANCE of the Messiah, the Great I am”.
Hi Ivar, Tell JM that I think I found a proof text that may support his gap theroy. Hosea 6:1-2, Come and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight. Applying the year for a day would result in 2 thousand years for the 2 days. With the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD and the begining of the disapora, untill the rebirth of Israel in 1948 equals 1,978 years, and jews are continuing to return, to this day. We are not exactly sure in which year Yeshua died, but I believe that the temple was destroyed approxamately 40 years after Yeshua’s death. This would bring it well with in the 2days or 2 thousand years from Yeshua’s first coming, until now. This would mean that we are into the 3rd day now. I disagree with Jm’s method, I think that it is very dangerous to add a rapture of the church into a time frame based on the fact that the church is not mentioned beyond a certain point. Building a theology on what is not there is dangerous. G’d says “do not add or take away from My words. Please tell me is you think my post is too convoluted, but then again, what can you expect from a convolute?
Pope told the priest responsible: ‘Get that thing down.
An idol depicting Pope Francis, made by sculptor Fernando Pugliese, is seen in Buenos Aires.
Vatican claim Pontiff determined to avoid ‘cult of personality’ like that enjoyed by John Paul II At the age of 76 he became a household name and a magazine cover star. But Pope Francis is apparently desperate to avoid becoming a celebrity – he has ordered the removal of a new life-size statue of him in Buenos Aires cathedral. Since its installation two weeks ago believers visited the statue in the cathedral’s garden to pay homage to the pontiff, while tourists posed for photos alongside it. But Francis, formerly Archbishop of the Argentine capital, was reportedly horrified at the news. He got straight on the phone and had strong words with the priest responsible telling him: ‘Get that thing down, immediately’, the Argentinian newspaper Clarin reported.
Roman Catholics in Argentina caught in a moment of idolatry, kissing a piece of claimed “Holy wood” of the claimed to be “Holy Father”.
Church sources told the newspaper that Francis is determined to avoid creating ‘a cult of personality’ like that enjoyed by John Paul II. Since his election in March, Francis has gone to lengths to be seen as humble, showing little patience for the pomp and fuss that come with his position as head of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics. Source: The Daily Mail, UK. My comment: We do not know for sure, if the present Pope just had one of those bad days. Or if he seriously want to start a campaign to remove idols from Catholic Churches and shrines. If He want to get statues of the Popes removed, he faces an uphill task. Because the Earth is filled with statues of the last two Popes. Lets take a look on some pictures:
An idol of Pope John Paul II in Rome receives “holy water”.
The largest Pope idol in the World inside Miniature Park in Czestochowa, Poland,
A large idol of John Paul II in Kidapawan City, Philippines.
Children pray at the statue of the late Pope John Paul II in Tasitolu, Dili, East Timor.
Roman Catholics bow and pray to an idol of the late Pope.
Byst of former Pope Benedict in Traunstein in Germany.
Pope Benedict XVI has already come up for sale.
After seeing all this pictures, it is impossible to take the present Pope seriously. The claimed “Holy Roman Catholic Church” seems to be beyond repair. The claimed to be infallible Popes seems to be very mush fallible. John Paul II accepted statues to be raised of him, and so did Benedict. Why this angry attitude from Francis? Francis him self is about to make the “personal cultic” John Paul II a saint. Could it be that the late Pope was not a man worthy of “sainthood”? Nevertheless, I agree that the statue of Francis in Buenos Aires should be removed and demolished. To be sure that the spirit that agreed to this idolatry vanishes, please burn all the remains of wood and clay. And please demolish the idol that stands next to the Pope, also. Idolatry in the form of “Pope statues” are no different from statues of the “Queen of Heaven”. If you believe that both the Pope, and the mother of Jesus, are created beings, you should not form any statues of them, neither kiss them, bow down before them. Just read the second commandment, and obey.
Genesis 20:4 ‘ You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.Its your choice,
if you want to define your self among the people God will have to punish, those who hate the truth. Written by Ivar
Sun and crescent moon manifested in the Roman Catholic Eucharist
The Pope lifts up an ancient symbol of the sun god, carried by a gold piece formed like the crescent moon. In Ancient Egypt, this was a symbol of the Mother of gods, Isis.
The Pope has mixed ancient Egyptian paganism into a Catholic doctrine.
If you look carefully, you can you see the crescent moon in gold, holding up the round wafer inside the ring. Let see what happens when the Islamic crescent moon gets the sun shining in the center of the image. Have you ever seen this gold image of the goddess Isis, the Egyptian mother of gods? Please take a good look.
An ancient Egyptian image of Isis, the wife of the sun god and Mother of gods. She holds up the sun in the form of a pearl, carried by the crescent moon.
The Pope needs to bow before the sun and the crescent moon. One way of doing so, is to lift the gold stand over his head.
This is the gold stand that the Pope needs to keep up high. The crescent moon is there. Only the sun is missing.
The present Pope perform the religious ritual.
If it is true that the Roman Catholic Church is not a Biblical Church, the falsehood of its priesthood will manifest it self in all kinds of pagan practices. I have not paid to much attention about secret signs, and codes that will expose the Vatican. But after Jesus of the Bible gave me some vital information about the religious ritual of the Eucharist, I have to admit that we need to pay attention. Because the World Council of Churches and Rome are seriously debating how to come back into full communion in regards to the “Eucharist Celebration”. First: There is absolutely no verses in the Bible that demands the bread in the last supper to be anything but an oven colored and shaped Jewish bread, blessed and broken by Jesus and shared at the table. It was the fellowship around the bread of life (The Word) and blood (His crucifixion) that was Jesus gift of eternal life to those who obey Him. Second: The Catholic priesthood has made breaking of physical bread, into a alter ritual around a pre-manufactured wafer. On the alter, they put this wafer into a strange gold stand, called the monstrance. The priest than lift the round wafer host in the holder above his head. Afterwords the faithful are invited to eat the wafer. But very few have a clue about what exactly the priest have done at the alter. Who does this gold strand represent? Why put a bright white wafer inside a ring of gold? And what kind of arrangements holds the host inside the ring? May the following images be able to open your heart for the truth about the Vatican. If Rome only had included Egyptian paganism and Islamic symbolism in the Catholic Eucharist, some people could have defended this. They might tell you: “In the Catholic Eucharist we have a symbolic victory over the old ancient religions, and have Christianized them”. That’s fine. But that is not what the Roman Catholic Church have done. They have to the radical opposite included the Queen of Heaven into this ritual. Expressed by this nine feet tall image of Catholic Mary in a Roman Catholic Church in Chicago. Here Catholic Mary is in the center of the Eucharist, where both she and her heart is presented as the host. The bread of life.
Like a Buddha she sits, on top of the crescent moon. St. Stanislaus Kostka Church in Chicago.
Here the Eucharist host is a part of the glory of the Queen of Heaven.
Egyptian Mother of gods, holding the sun as her crown. The crescent moon later become the very image of Islam.
Because of the striking similarities, we need to know more about who this goddess Isis is, and what she is doing. Because a billion souls might get lost, because of their participation.
Isis holds up the sun, and she is married to the sun god Osiris.
This Egyptian goddess Isis also has a son, who mistakenly looks like the Madonna and child, promoted in Catholicism as “Mary with baby Jesus”.
Egyptian Isis, holding up the sun, with baby Horus in her hand.
And as this ancient Egyptian sculpture exposes, the Mother of gods was accepted into Catholicism.
The mother of gods, nurses her baby child.
Isis the Mother of Gods, and Catholic Mary the Mother of god. The merger took place in 431 A.D.
Some Catholic priest also carry the Eucharist host on their shoulders, where an image of Catholic Mary again is at the center of the ritual.
A parade of the Eucharist host, with an image of Catholic Mary in the center.
Catholic priests also stands and pray in front of the Eucharist host, venerating, adoring or worship this image. This is the perfect merger of paganism and Catholicism.
The sun and moon revered in a ritual, where Jesus is promoted to be physically present inside the ring.
The same image in Islam. A religion who reduces Jesus to a great prophet.
This is the image on top of the Faisal Mosque in Islamabad, Pakistan.
The crescent moon, the sign of Islam
Let people who are not completely spiritually blinded be able to understand. First published: 20th of July, 2010. Written by Ivar
I enjoyed this article. I was raised Catholic but can’t stand very much of the Church anymore. ‘THE AGE OF FAITH’ by Will Durant is an excellent source of add-on policy by the Church, bitchless priests, Mary, others.
Mr. McLaughlin, We praise the Lord for using Mr. ivarfjeld to help open your eyes (and heart) to the ‘truth’ about this cult, and hopefully and prayerfully you Will “come out of her” (Revelation 18:4-9, verse 4 the main verse), NOW. We pray that you will “hear His voice” and follow His lead, while continuing to pray for ‘deliverance’ for those ‘still caught up in that system’. Take care and God bless.
Thank Ivar for this article. When i first came to understand the moon/sun relationship and also how closely this ties in Islam, I was astonished. You see I was a BELIEVING Catholic and a promoting Catholic who studied Catholic apologetics wanting to convert other Christians to the “one true Church.” You can not deny the Isis connection here. I can only thank my Savior, for pulling me out of the RCC. It’s only by His Grace was I about to have eyes that see. The truth of the Isis connection which is Baal worship escapes Catholics all together. This really needs to get out. I’m going to have to post your story on my blog. Thanks, brother.
Dear all my readers. Shalom, and love in Jesus the Messiah. I have a link on the right side column to Nugget Net, who brings to this blog hundreds of readers every week. He also links up Sueliz blog. I know He is a believing Catholic. Since Saturday, I have exposed the truth about deep secrets inside the Vatican. My Nugget net brother has been reluctant to link up the stories. But today, He has linked up the Eucharist exposure. I hope and pray, Lord Jesus, that you finally have opened the eyes of this brother of mine. Amen.
Dear Sue. Shalom. The issue is: Who is a Catholic? What makes you a Catholic, and how many Catholic doctrines do you have to disagree with, before you no longer will be a Catholic? This is quite a chaotic matter.
I am surprised because Nugget is rapture-minded and the RCC does NOT believe in the rapture. Plus, I’m shocked he posts all my stuff too if he is Catholic. God bless him. Let’s agree to pray for him this week. Okay?
If you are a cultural Catholic you don’t know much about dogma and are in the church because your family is in the church. If you don’t believe in Assumption of Mary, you are anathama. Most Catholics are cafeteria Catholics, picking and choosing what suits them. I was a serious rule abiding Catholic. Even if your are cultural, I find it surprising you would post anti-Catholic stuff on your site.
Dear Sue. Shalom, and thanks for this insight. Rome will claim: People who “attacks” the papal system, are anti-Catholics. And in the last days, there will be attacks on the true Church. This is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecies. You see. This is a mirroring of the truth. The lies that are told by Vatican priest are often to close to the truth, that only The Holy Ghost can expose them. But a millimeter lie is still very much: A lie.
Sue I understood you message. But I do not spam attacks on my faith. It is a Biblical prophecy, that I will be persecuted. A Catholic site can publish attacks on the Papal system, as a similar belief that such attacks are fulfillment of Biblical prophecies. I feel we have to wait for our friend on Nugget net to answer our questions. He holds the key.
Ivar, I understand you, but the site is very rapture focused, with makes no sense if you are a catholic site. I hope our friend does answer our questions. Until then, let’s pray.
Dear all my readers. I have wronged the editor of Nugget Net. Please forgive me. I have no reason to believe He has ever been, or is a believing Catholic. Jesus of Nazareth. Please forgive me. I have sinned against you, and a brother of mine.
Dear Sue. Lady Time was originally commenting on a story about Viking paganism in Norway. That she did not enjoy our exchange of viewpoints, its understandable.
Dear all my readers. Shalom. Please keep in mind that the comment field on the top front page of the blog, does include people debating different topics. Its easy to mix up the comments. Please follow the debate on each article, on various topics. You can subscribe to each topic, and get email alerts.
Thanks! It is time for Christians to repent (as I have done with tears) for leaving the leaven-free Torah that Yeshua HaMashiach taught his disciples. Return to the Root and truth of THE Faith!
are you saying that islam and christianity were waved out of paganism threads… this is a shame lie,dont lie to yourselves and go read your original Torah(if it still exists) rather than the modern version Torah that your priests have messed with,you will find in it predictions about the coming of a prophet -(Mohammed صلى الله عليه و سلم )- with a new religion but the Jewish people just couldn’t swallow their ego about the prophet being send in the arabic nation. I fell sorry for you…may allah show you the right way.
Why the eucharist is false… Hebrews 7:26-27 He is the kind of high priest we need because he is holy and blameless, unstained by sin. He has been set apart from sinners and has been given the highest place of honor in heaven. Unlike those other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices every day. They did this for their own sins first and then for the sins of the people. But Jesus did this once for all when he offered himself as the sacrifice for the people’s sins.
Okay, first of all, Catholic doctrine doesn’t profess that Jesus is “physically” present in the Eucharist, but rather “truly, really and substantially” as per the Council of Trent. There’s a difference. As for the reference to Hebrews, above, the Sacrifice of the Mass doesn’t offer “a new sacrifice every day,” According to the CCC, the sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice” (CCC, 1367). Thus, Mass is not a “re-sacrifice” but a “re-presentation” of the sacrifice. And when we say that the Mass is a re-presentation of the one sacrifice of Christ, it does not mean that Christ is crucified repeatedly. It means that his sacrifice is made present. To re-present means to make present.
Dear Proud, Peace and love in Jesus. The RCC took transubstantian mainly from the teachings of Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas used Aristoles theory of “accidents”. Aristitole was a greek pagan. But the RCC, took his false scientific theory and applied it to communion. Even now, the theory of accidents has been proven false in the scientific world. Please look to Judaism for our root base.Jewish disciples would never ever bow down to bread and agree to drink blood. This is against the Torah, specifically Leviticus in which the Jews were told to never drink blood. Leviticus 17:14 14 The life of every creature is in its blood. That is why I have said to the people of Israel, ‘You must never eat or drink blood, for the life of any creature is in its blood.’ So whoever consumes blood will be cut off from the community.
Our Lord does not want us to eat him in baked goods to receive life. He wants us to surrender our lives to Him, accepting His once for all atonement for our sins and be born again. Blessings. Sue
Dear Proud, If there is ONE incarnation (God made flesh), you know that is Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father. How is it He is body, blood, soul and divinity in a piece of bread on earth? Millions of bread wafers around the world..which would be more than ONE incarnation. When Jesus ascended into heaven He said He would leave us the Holy Spirit in the place of His physical absence. He did not say He would be staying on earth in a piece of bread to go into the stomach. A piece of bread that needs to be protected with human hands. A piece of bread that can spoil and mold. Since believers already have the Holy Spirit inside of them, why would they need to have MORE Jesus as flesh inside of them? Jesus was not speaking about real flesh. The Jewish disciples did not worship a bread. They shared a PASSOVER SEDER meal.
You should not talk about what you do not understand. If you do not have any beleif in this sacrament, the least you could do is keep a respectful silence, but despising and criticizing for no obvious reason, why? What if it were true and Jesus Christ were really present in that Eucharist, how would you react to that? How would you be able to recant all the diffamation and accusations you spread on this page. Wheither or not Jesus is present in the Eucharist, it would be best for you to remain silent. Someone who means well,
M Bwr, I will answer your question, even though it was obviously rhetorical. The reason why we speak out against this and other false doctrine is because evil abounds when good people stay silent.
Stop mixing Islam with Crescent and Moon, the Turks Ottoman chose the crescent as their symbol, other Muslims Nations imitated them. Muslims worship God the creator of this Universe. God has no father, no mother, no son and no daughter. Why are you worshiping Jesus?, Jesus was a human being like Adam (without a father).
abo hady, Your Islamic scholars study the Hebrew scriptures because they believe your prophet is the last of a line that began there. One of the names for God used by those prophets was Elohim. The last two letters ‘im’ denote plurality. That is to say whilst God is one, he is also more than one person. Father, Son and Holy spirit. Rather like we are body, soul and spirit. (God created us in his image) The prophet Isaiah confirmed this when he foretold the coming of Jesus Christ. “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” [Isaiah 9:6] It is this plurality of God that is misunderstood by both Jew and Muslim. I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal this truth to you, and that you will receive him as your saviour. God’s blessing to you.
I must recomend the book 50 years int he church of rome by charles chiniquy and his follow up 40 years in th echurch of Christ,a true expose’ of the roman catholic church if ever there was one,
Tom, I was checking online the book you mentioned by Charles Chiniquy, Church of Rome. I loved reading his testimony when the Holy Spirit began to work on his conscience. “… before going to bed, I took my Bible as usual, knelt down before God, in the neat little room I occupied in the bishop’s palace, and read the twelfth chapter of Matthew, with a praying heart and a sincere desire to understand it, and be benefited thereby. Strange to say! when I reached the 40th verse, I felt a mysterious awe, as if I had entered for the first time into a new and most holy land…” http://www.biblebelievers.com/chiniquy/cc50_ch45.html Oh, praise the Lord for opening his eyes!
For 40 years, I worshipped Jesus in the catholic wafer. One year ago, I gave my whole heart, mind to Jesus and the veil from my eyes was removed. Now I stand in disbelief at this great lie that I and all Catholics believe in the Eucharistic presence of Jesus literally in it! I think I am scarred for life from such falseness, BUT He alone has saved me, Jesus alone saves and I praise Him for bringing me out from such lies and into His great freedom!
One can blatantly see the similarities between islam and Rome, no doubt they will unite under the same god banner and same prophets and persecute the true believers who deny the islamic and catholic Jesus but remain faithful to the biblical Jesus, the true Lord Jesus Christ.
This is just mind boggling. I was never known as an RC basher, but that was in living in ignorance of all this. Thanks Ivar for putting your name on the line to expose this.
Its not a mandatory aspect of RC to believe in this stuff. A lot of it is to supplant local lore where-ever the church is performing the Mass. The Jews would adorn the dead, for centuries they did. Worshiped snakes and golden calves. Now its casino owners that entrap Gentiles with vice, then turn-around and back Mitt Romney who against his Mormon belief has embraced Israel as the true Zion. And a ‘Jewish state’ of all things? Mitt, the Mormons don’t take sides in the Israeli/non-Israeli conflict. If the GOP wants a Zionist candidate, GO OUT AND GET HAL LINDSEY or HUCKABEE. But to spend so much time trying to make a purse out of a sow’s ear by attempting to make a Mormon into another TV-evangelical (tuck in your ‘love-gift’ gang!) is lame-oh.
???? According to my wife, former RC, a relic is required to open and bless a church. But what does the rest of your post have to do with anything? Mitt Romney is just a white obama, he’ll be doing the same thing, as you pointed out, starting out by lying. Our concern, here, isn’t any political candidate, it’s helping to inform and save the lost and bring back those whose walk has taken a turn toward darkness.
Godsfingers Peace and greetings Dud you know Obama just signed on July 27th the “US-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation act. It guarantees US superior military support for Israel. That will get him some big campaign contributions.
gosh I wouldn’t worry about controversies like this. There’s far too many more important problems to be solving out there to be worrying about some catholic scepter thing.
Dear Sarah Shalom. You are right. There are much more serious problems than the Eucharistic falsehood of the Roman Catholic Church. But for Roman Catholics who perish because of this falsehood, this is a fraud we all should reject. If not, we will perish too.
Dear Adahas Ada. Shalom, and welcome to this sight. I have to inform you, that on this site your will not be permitted to link of Islamic sites. But you will have full freedom of expression, if you do not spread Jew-hate or use filthy language. May Jesus the Messiah open your heart today. Amen.
I am sorry but there is a mistake about the article, I am a Muslim and Crescent Moon is not the sign of Islam , because there is no any signs in Islam moreover it is very big sin using a sign to describe Islam. Crescent Moon is used only for begining times of Fasting and praying times. but after ages it is been painted in some places as a sing on Islam but it is completely wrong.. as a Turk I am saying that Crescent moon is an old Turkic Symbol.. Regards
Ozan, Please read the Holy Word of God. The more important thing is denouncing Islam, and accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior for he comes soon. Islam was built on lies and violence, and only leads you to hell. Romans 10:9 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Actually not a bad presentation, you just short a coupke of more pertinent facts. Constantine converted to christianity right? Anyway you need to ask yourself what did he convert from, the answer my friend is “Sol Invictus” or “Mithraism”. Mithras was born of a virgin mother, on the 25th December, was also a teacher with 12 disciples. Also apparently performed miracles etc. Sounds something like christianity doesn’t it? Also had holy water etc. All the early christians under constantine seem to have really done is change the names. Mithraism seems ti have come to rome from persia and taken hold there, especially with the warrior class. So you have the bible on one hand, and paganism on the other, and so a compromise was reached. Mithras was a sun god yes. So if you celebrate christmas on the 25th of december, you yourself are a pagan then surely? Do you celebrate easter? The catholic church actually took that one from the early british pagan festival of eostre, a futility celebration. So if you celebrate easter you are then a pagan surely? By your own standards of your own article. Have you never read the bible where it states judge not lest you be judged? Who gave you the right to judge the catholic church? They did after all bring christianity to the world. Even protestant religions, originally stem from catholicism after all, where else did martin luther come from but from being a member of the catholic church? Now its obvious from your article you have issues with the catholics, I suggest that you look in the mirror first and make sure you are just and pure of heart and mind before casting stones. The catholics will answer to God at the day of reckoning, and that is between God and them, you however are not God. So if you are a christian, where did the roots of your christianity stem from if not the catholic church? And so you change what you don’t like about the catholic church and create your own church, but the fact remains your beliefs still stem from catholicism doesn’t it? So by saying catholics are wrong are you not in essence saying that christianity is wrong? The catholics did after compile the Holy Bible didn’t they. Anyway there is a different point of view for you to think upon. You don’t believe me? Check ouyt Mithraism on the net, the catholics wiped them out as heretics. Maybe you think you are descended from the cathars, aka the good christians? Let me know where your christianity stems from and I shall be happy to see if uit is pagan free
Greg, I don’t know who you are directing your long statement to. But the Word of God tells us: 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. So exposing the Roman catholic church of their lies, their disgusting idolatry of bones and statues, their praising of man-the pope, in hopes that some will leave this horrific cult and accept Christ, repenting from their sins, well that is what Jesus wants us to do.
Greg, I will answer your questions. When Thanksgiving comes around (as well as everyday) I give thanks to the Lord. When Christmas comes around, I give thanks and praise to God for Jesus Christ. When the ridiculous Easter comes around, I thanks the LORD for all he’s done (as well as other days), dying on the cross for you and me, for his resurrections, and for the fact that he comes soon. 1 Thessalonians 5:18 Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Greeting Greg Gloria isnt going to research anything, but she will quote..you will get more from Ivar, he speaks more! I am aware of what you speak..There is a reason why Jesus birth date was put on Dec 25 and the meaning behind Easter…All Pagan dates and times . She calls your post long but in truth there is alot of meat to it and room for alot of research if she was willing….I had to research this topic in my first year in my spiritual school…ahh all those months on that paper! but it was worth it! Blessed Be! greg
Hi Joyce Thanks for the reply, I have been reading up on the origins of christianity, and have found that the more you read up on it, the more that one needs to read up on it. I know Jesus said that in order to believe a person needs the faith of a 5 year old, then again, why did God give us a brain with which to reason? The 25th december was mithras birth date according to mithraism, aka Sol Invictus, because of the sun. Like I said earlier, with the conversion of Rome to christianity, all that powers in control really did was change the names. So you in a spiritual school, is that like a religious training program? Excuse my ignorance, I live in africa and just want to make sure I understand you properly. Thanks
Greg….You have bean fed lies,The roman catholic cult did not compile my origeonal KJV Bible , in fact they hate the WORD of GOD and that is why they premote their books, the so called NIV and NASB ,both these books have changed or completely left out the WORD of GOD eg:LUKE 4:8 Get thee behind me Satan….and there are many more…. why does the roman catholic cult base its scripts on the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manoscripts full of flaws and dug up out from the rubish where they should have remained.Here is a direct quote from a jesuit meeting in Cheri Italy in 1825 this is proof that this Satanic cult disguises its true motive behind a vail of good intentions ! so come on Greg if you want the truth,..first you have to give up your pride ………… HE is waiting.
the quote to above post….” Then the bible, that serpent which with head errect and eyes flashing,threatens us with its venom,while it trails along the ground,shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it…for three centuries past this cruel asp has left us no repose,you well know with what folds it entwines us and with what fangs it gnaws us ” ……
Wahahahaha dean if you don’t know what you are talking about, SHUT UP. KJV was translated from where? You idiot, it was translated from the latin. The latin in case you didn’t know was from Italy, Rome. So until you have genuine facts go back to your pit. And please don’t quote the bible to me, I can read it on my own and interpret it more realistically than your bigoted onbe eyed view. Just saying dude, check out your facts before getting involved in something where the facts are quite easy to ascertain. Just go google origins of the christian bible and see what you get.
That is incorrect ! the KJV 1st testoment was directly translated from the origenal Hebrew scripts , and the 2nd testoment was directly translated from the origenal Greek scripts “Textus Receptus” with an acuracy of 95%, when referancing other sources ,as some are missing …… Greg has made the misstake of refering to the” NEW KJV” which was rewritten by Westcott and Hort useing the latin Vaticanus and Sinaiticus texts… these are extremely inacurate and that is why they were origenaly binned by early Christians . Why the Roman catholics, knowing these scripts to be flawed , then chose to commision two atheists to re-write our Bible , giveing them total control over the detail of GODS WORDS begs beleif !
Dear Joyce Brown Shalom. You are a sinner, hopelessly disconnected from a Holy God. When you die, you will face your creator. He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Son. He took your place on the cross, and shed his blood for your sins. If you accept Him, you will not perish and face eternity in Hell. I love you enough to tell you the truth. Mercy and grace is still available. Seek God while He still can be found.
Greeting Ivar I stated my truth and it stands I love the Goddess Aset-Isis! Sinner?? noo sir! I define who I am , not you! when my foot steps no longer walk Mother Earth, my soul/spirit goes to Summerland.. Your truth, my truth, some elses truth, I have God in my life and I have the Goddess is my life also!!…I have noo disrespect for your faith Ivar nor any other for that matter! I walk the path that is best for me, I love the path that I am on.. there is noo trying to convert anyone which I love!! Do you feel no one can be happy in any other faith but your own?? Blessed Be! Ivor Ps: Ivar this your site and I will respect that, my teachers wouldnt be happy if I didnt..but pls dont take me for a wimp because I am not.. I dont know all and neither do you or Gloria.. This is a walk of learning, growing!..Yes they know I have visit your site, I am all over the place lol..there is noo dogma, our High priestess and High Priest encourage us to learn, grow, seek , research, evolve and respect one another’s faiths! Yes I can take apart, break downt all of the quoting Gloria loves doing but I wont, let her keep that..I am not here to cause any hurt..In truth what I learned from your or I should say Gloria is that I am soo glad I am on the path that I am!.. I didnt come to your site to judge nor did I come to be judged..somethings or topics on your site caught my attention( see my mind is open for learning) and I am going to research it, no matter how long it takes! Nver be bullied in Silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one’s definition of your life; Define yourself.
This Egyptian cult based on myth,and is what the catholics are being deceived into worshiping today, this will not gain you eternal life in GODS restored universe,why gamble your life on something of which there is no proof .GOD in his great wisdom has given you and me indisputable evidance that HIS WORDS written in the Bible are the truth ,the blood sacrifice of JESUS CHRIST was to put an end to sin and death ,so you and me can be saved from complete destruction ,what can this aset-isis creature do for you ? why not be honest , with yourself and admit that it is your own ego that you choose to worship and this aset-isis is just a means to do it , Yes the truth can be scary ,but dont be afraid,be brave and acsept the truth, because only the truth which is in JESUS can free you from the lies/myth of this world
So Dean you are convinced the bible is right? But the catholics compiled the bible, now if they compiled the bible, you shouldn’t be following the teachings of the bible should you? Now lambast the catholics as much as you like, but remember if they are wrong as you claim, then DO NOT follow the teachings of the bible that they compiled. Don’t forget that they conveniently didn’t put some gospels into the bible because they showed peter in a less than perfect light. Just a suggestion hey.
Greg, The catholics did not make the Bible. It was written by men under the direction of the Holy Spirit. I don’t think you are here to learn about Christ. I think you are here to try and twist God’s message, and to try and say the Roman Catholic church are right in everything. They are not! There idolatry, kissing dead bones, praying to saints that do not existing. The Bible is clear on this. Exodus 20:3-6 “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. I doubt you are here to learn, but instead you are protecting a group of people who have made a mockery of the Word of God.
Okay Dean where does your bible complete the gospel of mark? As it originally stood and I quote Laurence Gardner here from the Magdelene Legacy, pg 106, ” as it originally stood, Mark 16:8 concluded the Gospel with Mary Magdelene and the other women departing from Jesus’ empty tomb. The extra verses were added to perform two specific functions. The spurious Mark 16:9 is a strategic reminder of Mary’s ‘seven devils’ as referenced in Luke 8:2. In fact, it is the only other biblical reference in this connection, but has the effect of diminishing Mary’s status at this crucial stage of the proceedings. Against this, in the equally spuriious Mark 16:15, the resurrected Jesus instructs his male apostles:’Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature’. Once again, this manoeuvres Mary Magdelene and the women successfully out of the evangelical picture so as to claim back the male prerogative of the movement.” In direct contrast to this additional narrative , it was reveled quite recently that a substantial portion concerning Mary Magdelene, Martha and the rasing of Lazarus had been removed from the Gospel of Mark before its inclusion in the New Testament.” Now to page 130 of the same book, this is how the gospels were selected and I quote:” the New testament, as we know it, began to take shape in AD367 when a library of writings was sifted and collated ready for selection. This initial part of the process was carried out by Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria, who invented the term canon (approved law) and subsequently became known as the Father of Orthidoixy. Prior to this there had been no formally compiled book of the faith, just a series of individual Christian texts which had their greater or lessor popularities in various partts of the Roman Empire. From the Athanasius shortlist, certain works were approved and ratified by the council of Hippo in AD393, and by the Council of Catrhage in AD 397. There were, nevertheless, various criteria which governed the selection – the first being that the Gospels chosen for the New Testament must be written in the names of (or attributed to) Jesus’ own apostles. But this ruling appears to have been disregarded from the outset, and the four Gospels that emerged for approved canonical use were thos of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. According to the apostolic lists given in the New Testament, Matthew and John were indeed aposotles of Jesus. But Mark and Luke were not.” Anyway there is an entire section in this book on the compilation of the bible by the Roman Catholic Church and how they perverted it. The book also touches lightly upon the dead scrolls which have been used to verify parts of the bible. Anyway hope you actually check out the facts properly on the compilation of the Holy Bible. Just so you understand this very well, Laurence Gardner is also the author of Bloodline of the Holy Grail, Realm of the Ring Lords, Genesis of the Grail kings and lost secrets of the Sacred Ark. He is also a Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, is a constitutional historian, and Proffessional Member of the Institute of Nanotechnology. Distinguished as the Chevalier de St. Germain, he is attached to the European Council of Princes as the Jacobite Historiographer Royal. Etc etc etc . So please I do my research and don’t thumb suck statements. If you would like I will quote from other works as well, and will enjoy doing it because I do love researching the origins of religions. Thanks and God Bless if you ever finished reading what I have mostly quoted here.
Greetings Alot of churches are built upon ancient pagan sites, also alot of pagan symbolism are in many faiths rites! Alot are not even aware where it came from, they just worship as their people teach them to! Yes there is alot to learn from all the faiths,there is something similar ffrom each other! Ahh enough said!:) Blessed Be!
Joyce, Witchcraft is serving satan. It’s as simple as that, and unless you repent, and eternity of pain is what awaits you. Deuteronomy 18:9-12 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. Galatians 5:20-21 Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Actually not gloria, I have been seeking God for a long time. I didn’t say the catholics wrote the bible, I said they compiled it, go ask any neutral scholar about that, or google it even, the catholics put together what criteria the writings had to comply with for the text to go into the bible. That’s a fact and not a question of faith either.
Greg, You said you have been “seeking God” for a long time. Perhaps you delving into the catholic lie may be the reason you haven’t found him? And I have no interest in googling anything. The catholic deception is full of lies.
Greeting Greg! when dealing with people like Gloria, no matter what you say or any other for that matter means nothing! Its her way or noo way, its her truth that matters..mind that is soo closed nothing else can get in there. It fies on something and stay there, sad really! All she does is quote. quote, quote! Not open to learning anything from others. In truth, I personally dont care where she is concern. But this I do know, she doesnt know everything, she dosent have all the answers, she believes her way is the only way, I know better than that! lol…Study and learn about the start of all faiths and see where her’s came from..All she interested in is trying to convert someone to her way and blind and deaf to anything else that is different from hers ..Sad really but ok! There is noo respect for other Faiths but her own! I learned how to deal with some like her.. Respect all, because there is something to learn about each including hers and by all means please study and research..In truth there is a smile on my face when I reply or when she reply to one of my post…She is going to do the same old thing quote! She is wasting her energy where I am concern, I still respect all faiths, she isnt all christians(thank the Gods), There are alot of sites where all from different faiths get together and discuss and learn,,some debates ohh yes:).. but very interesting, exchanging ideas..Gloria will be ok..she is what she is, is all!! Dont take nothing to heart, but open your eyes and learn from it, if its not to your wellbeing move on! Gloria will follow me around whenever I make a comment on here( like a beautiful fat bee to honey)..There are Christo-pagans Gloria..did you know that?? lol Blessed Be Greg
Greeting Gloria You should really study and research, its a good thing.Because what I just stated in my post above is fact, its history.. yet you keep jumping on one thing, really sad, witchcraft or your satan. the enity Satan is your christian concept, not ours..we dont want him, we dont believe in him you do! he is allllll yourss and you can soo keep him..why are you trying to give this enity to us??? when he is of your faith not ours?? You keep doing what you seem to be “Quoting” and noo researching, I sense you havent done either, just quote! lol Blessed Be! Gloria Ps I dont ever want to be like you!!
Thanks joyce, I thought all the close minded bigots were in africa, it is refreshing to see that they are all over the world hey. Call it an eye opener hey. I agree with your point of view, I like discussing religion, preferably with someone who is open minded at least. Christianity has a lot to be said for it, and the basic tenets if followed properly I do believe can lead to a harmonious life. Even the disciples of jesus questioned him didn’t they? Why is it a sin these days to question christianity? Surely if christ himself could be questioned, then all christians should be questioning the entire time? Just my point of view anyway. It is also my firm belief that the roman church is just mithraism under another name, and when one considers that the protestants, ie martin luther, broke away from the catholic faith to form all the protestant churches, taking the bible etc that the catholics had compiled, and started their new christian religions, doesn’t it then stand to reason that all christian religions are in fact based in paganism? Yes I know Gloria will probably throw the kitchen sink at me in quotes with regard to the above, the fact however remains thatwhen one follows a historical timeline of religions, that is what one would find. Please also let me know the other sites you chat on Joyce, I am fascinated with the subject at the moment. And Gloria for what its worth I am not trying to knock your religion, and isn’t a basic tenet of christianity to respect others?
Greg, That you are spiritually blind is very obvious. Joyce has been spammed for posting satanic witchcraft. You are walking a very thin line continuing to post here, and inviting to learn witchcraft. If you are not here to learn about Jesus Christ, kindly leave this site.
Dear Gloria and all readers. Shalom. Revelation 2:20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. My comment: We shall not tolerate witches.
IN the origeonal Hebrew text of GENISIS 1:1 ” In the begining GOD created the heavens and the earth ” there are seven words {,GODS perfect number}, and in those seven words lies thirty seperate codes involving the number seven, a phenomenal achievement not posible in any other language, why choose to follow cults and myth and mans philosophy, in search of some temporary diillusioned happyness, when JESUS offers you eternal life in Heaven ?
Greeting Tivani I was just about to leave and visit the chatroom of people from all faiths around the world and to listen to some of the debates ..lol getting in on some.. a real learning experience!! My faith is Wicca-Pagan.. The 13 Wiccan Principles **Edited by Gloria**
Dear Joyce Brown Shalom. You wrote: The Wiccan Rede (the short version) Bide ye Wiccan laws ye must, in perfect love and perfect trust. My comment: I understand that you are a witch. You have not come here to learn anything, but to distribute your filth, idolatry, promotion of sexual sins taught by the spirit of death. You will not be permitted to continue on this site. Your next message will be spammed.
Joyce, You are not allowed to post any santanic witchcraft on this site. I asked you kindly to leave, now you have been spammed. You will deal with Jesus Christ on the day of judgement. You have been warned numerous times.
Yes gloria I am probably spiritually challenged hey, that I do not deny, and that’s why I have been seeking truth and enlightenments. I do not pretend to be a saint or an angel, only an ordinary man looking for peace of mind. As a result I cannot blindly follow dogma that is popular. Doesn’t the bible preach that at the end of times there will be many false preachers? Doesn’t it then behoove one to properly investigate any so called religion? False gods and prophets, are warned against. Anyway if my facts are not appreciated I apologise, but I will still put forward the truths I have learned.
Greg, To seek Jesus Christ, one must do it from the heart. One must pick up the Bible, pray, and seek him. Don’t follow the catholic rules, don’t try to investigate what other way there is possibly out there. I speak to genuinely when I say Jesus loves you. He is the only way, the truth. Without him, we are nothing.
The Pope lifts up an ancient symbol of the sun god, carried by a gold piece formed like the crescent moon. In Ancient Egypt, this was a symbol of the Mother of gods, Isis. are u kidding me? do u know anything behind it? please make enough research before u put up stuff like this and corrupt i must say other people’s minds!
Just wanted to let you know that the planet Venus is not visible to us as a disc – but as a crescent. So if you see a crescent it can symbolize the moon, but it also can symbolize Venus.
Yup! It all makes sense, now!!! When the pope announced that he was stepping down, I went to the edited by editor. You are not allowed to post links. Imagine my surprise when I noticed that the web design triggered my subliminal alarms concerning Islam and/or the worship of moon gods and goddesses. Here’s a screenshot of the Vatican’s website as it appears today: http://edited by editor. You are not allowed to post links. Digging around with the help of Archive.org, I was able to discover that the glowing yellow crescent moon motif came into play shortly after June 4, 2011. Here’s a screenshot of the Vatican’s webpage before the changes took effect: http:// edited by editor. You are not allowed to post links. Anyway, I just thought you might be interested in checking into it. P.S. – It seems all my catholic friends who I have mentioned this crescent moon web page motif to, think it’s time for me to start wearing a tinfoil hat. After reading your post on the subject, I don’t think I’m gonna’ be needing that tinfoil anytime soon. Thank you! And, Cheers!
God has shown me through the holy spirit and through this site how evil the catholic system is. Many Catholic’s do not seek the truth about their origins or the rituals the catholic system performs. The catholic system is highly involved with death. Keeping dead saints bones, skulls, blood vials, and praying before or to them. The catholic system is just like a modern day Egypt except its even worse. Instead of burying their kings/queens/ect they parade their dead bones, blood, and skulls and worship them openly. This is absolute wickedness, Jesus is calling those who will hear and see out of the catholic church/system. Worship the one true living God alone. For he alone is perfect, holy, and true. Drop the mother Mary worship, saint worship, and realize that the passover is symbolic of the word (bread) and the crucifixion (blood) which we are to do in remembrance of Jesus.
The united states uses the sun and crescent moon logo on sooo many labels I can not keep up with all of them. Here are a few for your consideration Capital One, Missile Defense Agency, The Google logo for Veterans Day 2010, I see them in the TV advertisements as well. I am washed in the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ
Bible lesson # 13: Pope prays to Catholic saints. Christians pray only in the name of Jesus.
The Pope claims to know who have gone into Heaven, making them saints. The Bible says: Dont pray to spirits and the dead.
Kneeling down and praying to an image of a departed Spirit is banned in the Bible
My wife was horrified, the day she understood what I was trying to tell her, and stopped praying in the name of Catholic saints. I told her: «How do you know that this man was a saint, and are in Heaven? If this man was a hypocrite, he is certainly not in Heaven, and will not be able to listen to your prayers. But a demon wold like to answer you, claiming to be the «saint». Please pray in the name of Jesus only. Thats the only guaranty you have for not being taken for a ride by an unclean spirit» Both King David and the Jewish Apostle Paul called people present in their time on Earth for saints. Psalm 30:4 «Sing to the LORD, you saints of his; praise his holy name».
Romans 15:31 «Pray that I may be rescued from the unbelievers in Judea and that my service in Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints there». The prayer of the saints that comes up to Jesus, that He presents to our Father in Heaven, are from his living saints on Earth. Me and you. Not from departed Spirits. To the radical opposite of whom the Bible tells us are the saints, the Pope of Rome waits till people have departed, before the Vatican starts the process of beautification and papal approval of sainthood. I have always wonder how the Pope is able to search the heart of the departed. And how the Church is able to recall what kind of miracles that took place. Sometime the Vatican appoint their saint hundreds of years after their body and soul was separated. The Word of God is telling us that what the Papal system are doing is wickedness, that will be punished. Praying to and consulting the dead is paganism with roots in Egypt, presented as «Christianity» by Rome. Isaiah 19:3 «The Egyptians will lose heart, and I will bring their plans to nothing; they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead, the mediums and the spiritists». In First Samuel chapter 28, King Saul goes to the Witch of Endor, and ask her to call up the departed spirit of Samuel. He is strongly rebuked. 1. Sam 28:16: Samuel said, «Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy?» To pray to departed spirits is basically inviting Satan to come and give you a religious spirit. The Messiah Jesus warned us sternly not to trust any other shepherds than Him. John 10: 8-9 Therefore Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. John: 10: 14 I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me. John 14:6 Jesus answered, «I am the way and the truth and the life No one comes to the Father except through me» John 8:24 «I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins» Please listen. Repent from you sin of praying in any other name than Jesus. Repent or perish. It is possible, that some of the people the Pope has declared saints, have made it into the Kingdom of Heaven. I cant be sure, because neither the Pope or I, would be able to read their hearts. Neither of us are their final judge. But I am afraid, that quite a few of the declared saints of Rome, have ended up in Hell. This human tragedy is bad enough. But even worse, is the amount of religions demons that have been released by faithful Catholics praying in such names. Thats why the book of Revelation, speaks about a Church that has turned into a beast, and a house of demons:
Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
if you dont want to perish, you better get out of there, before its to late. Written by Ivar
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Dear Ivar, You know I do not agree with all that is said here, but it is still a good and great way of pointing out your views and beliefs. I can see by the Scriptures you have given why your beliefs are as they are, and I respect that. I will agree to disagree with you, yet it is still a very good post regarding your beliefs. You have every right to believe this, and to back this up with the Scriptures which you gave. Of course you know I am Catholic and I believe when we die once again as Jesus said, “We will be like Angels.” In saying that I believe that the Saints in heaven are like the Angels and can aid man in all things here on earth. I have had many prayers answered by God when I have asked a Saint to intercede for me. I also like the personal touch you put on this post regarding the conversation of you and your wife. I can understand truly your doubts on “are these people in heaven or not?” I at one time in my life said the same thing. However I gave it a try and in my life it worked. The important thing to me is that we all pray and it is clear by your post, you and your family do. Again good post, very clear and to the point. God Bless, Sandy
For those who are shocked by this Ivar and myself have agreed to disagree. The reason being is both of us want to show others Christ first of all, and for any who do not know the Lord, and read these things, not to hinder any who want to know the Lord by our actions and our words. Ivar and myself have had some battles and even though we have, I believe Ivar truly has a calling by God to do what he is doing and a great God given talent for it. He also has wisdom which is being given to others in a mature Christian manner. We all need to respect one another and first and foremost Jesus must come first, regardless of our Church or the beliefs of that Church. God Bless
Ivar, my only comment is that Revelation shows the Saints in heaven to be alive…How does the Church know who are saints? The Holy Spirit tells her. I wonder if you can name one person you think should not be a saint that the Catholic Church has named a saint?
Dear David. Lets go back to Popes in the Middle Ages. Even the Catholic Church it self has admitted that they might have made mistakes. I will give you examples. Lets start with Emperor Konstantine the great. He even killed his own brother after he claimed to have been converted to «Christianity». Its pretty bad to make such a brutal murderer a saint. Now, to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit never goes against the scripture. What the Church might claim to be the Holy Spirit, will not surprisingly be a demon.
Constantine is not a saint in the Catholic Church. Name the pope that was canonized that the Church says they made a mistake? Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church, which is the Catholic Church. So the Church in 2000 years, has been inerrant. You’re right that the Holy Spirit never contradicts scripture. He hasn’t.
Dear David. When i google Catholic saint Constantine, I get 382.000 hits…. Let me quote from Wikipedia: «The Byzantine liturgical calendar, observed by the Eastern Orthodox Church and Eastern Catholic Churches of Byzantine rite, lists both Constantine and his mother Helena as saints. Although he is not included in the Latin Church’s list of saints, which does recognize several other Constantines as saints, he is revered under the title “The Great” for his contributions to Christianity». The «great murderer» I presume? Since He presided as Emperor and head over the first Church councils, that made the first Roman Catholic doctrines: Was it Jesus or a demon that gave him permission to murder his own brother?
Dear David. Thanks for this comment. Byzantine is not Roman Catholic. Well, I guess it made no difference for those who accepted him to head the Church Council. The difference between Moses and Constantine is obvious to those who want to understand. Moses was a murderer before He was called by God. Constantine was a murderer after He claimed he had become a Christian.
The secret here is that when Constantine became emperor, he moved his government to Constantinople, which IS the seat of the Byzantine Rite. You actually give too much credit to Constantine. He simply legalized the Christian religion for the Mediterranean world. He tried to meddle in the affairs of the Church, he thought that by granting them legal status he had the right to control him, and granted, he did have influence. He did not invent the Catholic faith, as you believe. Jesus did. Constantine could not have committed murder after his conversion. He converted on his death bed.
Dear David. I do not give Constantine to much credit. Its the Roman Catholic Church that calls him «Constantine the great». I have just explained that he murdered his own brother after he claimed to have become a Christian.
Dear David. You wrote: Constantine could not have committed murder after his conversion. He converted on his death bed. My comment: What more non sense are you going to give us before you stop? Constantine was not converted but was baptized on his dying bed. Why did he do that? Because some false teachers had told him, that baptism washed away the guilt of sins. If he was baptized earlier, He had to stop sinning. Like no longer being able to kill and murder people who did not agree with him. This is «Constantine the Great», the patron of the Roman Church.
People are baptized at their conversion, Ivar. There is no conversion without baptism. Constantine earned the title of “Great” on his own. Where is your evidence that he killed his brother, and did you find anything about why? Did the brother commit treason, or some other crime against the state? As with Moses, who committed the same crime while he believed in the God of Israel (not before as you state) even good men commit sins. Even you. You have sinned after you were baptized. I’m positive. So has every saint the Church has. My point…so what. They’re just like the rest of us. But they strived to be holy. And that’s what matters to God.
Dear David. People who dont believe, can not be baptized. You have to believe first, than you will of your own free will go to the river. I remember a Lutheran Pastor once saying to the infant during the religious ritual:. «And now I will baptize you, either you want it or not». I would have liked to see the faces of the parents, if the infant had answered…
Dear David. You wrote: Name the pope that was canonized that the Church says they made a mistake? My first answer: Let me start with a saint that does not exist: St. Veronica Didn’t Exist- The Veronica who didn’t exist is the one in the Roman Catholic Church-sponsored legend who wiped the sweat from Jesus’ brow with her veil as he toiled along the streets of Jerusalem carrying his cross to Calvary. The veil was said to have retained the image of Jesus’ face and Veronica later cured emperor Tiberius (14-37 AD) from something unspecified with a touch of the veil. The legend says Veronica left the veil in the keeping of Clement I (fourth Pope-88-97) and it’s been in the Vatican’s vault ever since. There is no mention of Veronica in the Bible. However, the legend is commemorated in the RCC Stations of the Cross. She was made a Saint. And her veil is kept in a vault in the Vatican where it’s trotted out once a year for pilgrims to view and venerate. The non-existent Veronica’s feast day is July 12. Now here’s where the story gets really bizarre. The veil of a woman who never was, disappeared from the Vatican in 1608. My comment: Was it God or the Pope who changed his mind in regards to this Catholic saint? When you pray to a person that have not even existed, and venerate and adore a fiction, you can not deny, that the demons will rejoice.
Hitler’s not in the Bible either. Did he exist? Regarding Veronica, where is the mistake? That she’s lost in history? Well, that doesn’t make her sanctification a mistake. On the other hand, she is not a canonized saint. A saint by popular proclamation, true. Canonized by the Church, false. You don’t know that she never existed, Ivar, plain and simple.
You attack, I defend. I was being sarcastic, but there are lots of people who were around during biblical times that we don’t know very much about. In some cases, we know so little that we can’t even describe any event of their life. Others we know, but they aren’t in the Bible, such as Mary’s mother and father, Anna and Joachim. What we do have is sacred tradition about these figures. The disciples knew them. So they aren’t in the bible? I say it makes no difference. And again, we have a process for a long time, of how sainthood is determined. These are canonized saints. Many throughout our history have not been canonized, but publically declared, and granted by popular demand. St. Francis and St. Clare of Assisi, for example.
And I could turn the question around. You seem to find any reason to attack the Catholic Church, even claiming as Catholic things that aren’t. You’re attacking things that don’t deserve to be attacked. Again, if you make erroneous statements, I will be here to correct them.
Dear David. You wrote: Name the pope that was canonized that the Church says they made a mistake? One of my answers: Some Popes have «become» saints, some have not. Why have not God granted all the popes sainthood? I mean, since the Bible says that the living followers of Jesus are the saints?
All popes are not saints because not all had the demonstrable personal holiness to become saints. Just because someone is not declared a saint doesn’t mean they aren’t one. A saint is simply one the Church declares to be definitively in heaven. You still have not named one person who was canonized and then the Church said ‘oops, we made a mistake.’ Or any person that has been canonized that anybody has found fault with…
Dear David You wrote: A saint is simply one the Church declares to be definitively in heaven. My comment: So the Popes that have not been declared saints, there is no confirmation from God that they are «definitively in heaven»….?
Ivar, “The veil disappeared from Vatican in 1608″ It did. When the part of the Basilica containing the relic was scheduled to be torn down for remodeling the relic disappeared. According to records in monastery the wife of a solider sold the veil to a nobleman of Monopello in 1608 to get her husband out of jail. The nobleman, donated it to Capuchins. In 1618 it was placed in a walnut frame adorned in silver and gold between two sheets of glass. It remained in the monastary ever since. Fr. Pfeiffer invested 13 years of searching through archives to prove this is the same cloth that disappeared in 1608 Scientific Investigation: Ultra-violet examinations of the cloth, carried out by Prof. Donato Vittore of the University of Bari, confirm that the image is not paint. There are several small flecks of reddish brown presumably drops of blood from the wounds caused by the crown of thorns. Enlarged photos showed that the image is identical on both sides of the cloth, which could not be achieved by ancient techniques. The photos have also been used to compare the veil with the Shroud of Turin. The similarities were apparent. The faces are of the same shape, both have shoulder length hair, with a tuft on the forehead, and the beards match. Just some update but what I found interesting I never caught that the Veronica story was not in the Bible. I always presumed it was and I went to everything I had here and there is nothing in there regarding the wiping of the face of Jesus. I do not know where I read that but I have read it somewhere. I always thought I read it in the Bible. So I learned something.
Dear Sandy. Shalom, and love in Jesus from Nazareth. Thanks for helping me. I do not know much about catholic relics. But I know, that I will be able to make an endless story….
Endless Story……..I have great faith in that:>) So be sure and do not let me down now??? Glad could be of some help, it just amazed me about the story not being in the Bible. Isn’t it amazing how you read or hear something sometimes and you could of sworn it came from the Bible. It kind of shocked me honestly. That is what we are here for, to teach and learn. Once again goodnight or goodmorning which ever side of the sun we are on. Sandy
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Dear God, Your Word and acts of the past demonstrate to me Your desires to reflect Your nature and power through every individual–including me! I know that’s because those who reflect Your glory affect the world. I pray that in all situations I face, I will be obedient and dependent upon You and give You all the praise and glory, so that You will demonstrate Your power that all people may know of Your mighty acts and the glorious splendor of Your Kingdom. I’d like to be able to say, with the Apostle Paul, “My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power” (1 Cor. 2:4-5). Thank you, Lord. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
In our example, in Jerusalem, 3000 people were converted…and their families. This includes infants. Their belief was spoken for by their parents. There’s nothing in the bible that says you must be an adult. Paul even calls baptism the replacement for circumcision, which was done to infants at the age of 8 days.
They’re not praying to the spirit of JP2. They’re praying to Christ that He will have mercy on the soul of the dearly departed JP2. If they prayed to the soul of JP2 as an ends of grace they wouldn’t be catholic. They can ask JP2 to pray for them to God, as the bible references the prayers of the dead are offered to God (revelations). We pray for all our departed brothers and sisters.
Dear Peter. Shalom. The Bible warns us to leave the dead alone. To consult the dead is a grave sin. When the Catholics pray in the name of a saint or a madonna, they will not be entertained by Jesus. He will have no objection, to let the devil take them for a ride, because of their sin and disobedience. God our Father except only one mediator between Him self and man, and that is Jesus the Messiah. Pray to Him, or in His name only.
Most of my relatives are Catholic and I have only love for the Catholic people. However, when I was a young girl I remember a priest telling us we should not attempt to read the Bible, because we would not understand it. I went on for many years believing that. It was good to light candles and pray at the foot of a statue. It was good to dip our fingers in “holy water,” and make the sign of the cross. It was good to repeat a novena for 9 days to a “saint” or to recite the rosary over and over again, but DO NOT read the Bible; you just won’t understand it. By the time I was a young adult, I had a long list of unanswered prayers and I really needed help. I thought, “if there is a God in heaven I’m going to find Him.” I did what I was always told NOT to do. I read the Bible from cover to cover. Sure enough, I found Jesus and learned that only He is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. He is a jealous God and will not share His glory with any other. When Jesus said that there is only one mediator between God and man and He is that Mediator, just how can anyone add to that? He said it and it should be settled. Stephen was the first Christian martyr, yet there is no record of the early disciples praying to him. Nor did they pray to Moses or any of the other Old Testament saints. Someone in an earlier post said that when we die we are like the angels and help people. Well, where in Scripture does is say that any angel or saint in heaven is Amighty, All Knowing, and Omnipresent. They are not equal to God and only Christ can search the hearts of men and both hear and answer their prayers. He alone is our Mediator. Why debate? Given the choice shouldn’t we all prefer going to Jesus? What attraction do saints have that our Glorious Lord doesn’t have? Pray in His name. He said we should, so shouldn’t we be obedient and do as He has commanded?
Dear Leah… Shalom, and welcome with this comment. If you ever meet them, please tell my Catholic family that I love them. Tell them to love Jesus more than all.
Dear ivarfjeld, Shalom, and thank you for your welcome. I love my Catholic family very much too. But the love I have for them is small compared to the great love that Jesus (Yeshua) has for them. Thank God He is not done with any of us yet.
I don’t know which Messiah the Zionists are praying for? I liked what UK Cabinet Minister Edwin Montagu (a Jew opposed to Zionism) said in the Early 20th century hypothesising that it may be Balfour (Baalfour) or Rothschild:-))))
Dear Dogoth. Shalom, and welcome to this site. We should not harm the Jews. All our blessings have come out of Israel, also the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth. How do we know, why its wrong to lie? Its because the Law of Moses explains this to us. If it had not been for the Jews, we would still have left without a clue about what God of the Bible expects from us.
David says: August 27, 2009 at 9:51 pm “Hitler’s not in the Bible either. Did he exist? Regarding Veronica, where is the mistake? That she’s lost in history? Well, that doesn’t make her sanctification a mistake. On the other hand, she is not a canonized saint. A saint by popular proclamation, true. Canonized by the Church, false. You don’t know that she never existed, Ivar, plain and simple.” Hitler Bible A surviving copy of a ‘Nazi Bible’ has been discovered in Hamburg, Germany. The extant copy, one of about 100,000 originally distributed to German churches, contains a rewritten version of the Ten Commandments and has been purged of all Jewish words, such as Hallelujah or Jehovah. In Hitler’s Bible there are twelve commandments, including such exhortations as “Honor your Fuhrer” and “Keep the blood pure and holy.” Hitler sent the Bible, entitled Germans With God to German Christians in 1941 in an attempt to “Nazify” the church and expunge “outdated” sentiments like mercy and love. The Nazi Bible, being the product of professors set to redact the ancient text, was stripped of all references to the Jews or compassion, and was meant to support Hitler’s view of Aryan supermen dominating the world’s lesser races. It is believed that Christians destroyed most copies of the book.
In the Bible, Saints are always real living people. The word Saint is always “Saints” Plural and refers to all living christiains. There is only 1 instance of singlar and it says “every saint”. The Bible never tells us to pray to anyone other than God. Jesus said for us to go directly to God through Jesus. The Bible tells us there is only one intermediate between God and man and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible goes even furhter to say that it is wrong to pray to the dead. The Catholic church over the years has done so much damage to Christianity. It’s sole purpose it to deminish the work that Jesus did on the cross. He died and paid the price of sin so we would not have to and the catholics preach continual sacrifice and good works are required to get into heaven. Pray to dead, pray rosary, purgatory, confess to a priest etc. All of this flies in contradiction to the word of God. The catholic church continually tries to take away the powers of Christ and bestown it on themselves as if they are some almighty knowing individuals. For by grace are you saved, not by works lest any man should boast. For there is one intercessor between god and man and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. If you confess your sins to God he is willing to forgive you of those sins.
who wants everyone to use the name g-zeus? does the Father? does the Son? no, satan does. and he can perform miracles, too. i’m not saying that all miracles performed in the name of g-zeus, are from satan but it is possible. don’t you think satan would do that to keep people using the wrong name? http://www.yahuahreigns.com/SonsName.html
Hi Ivar, What I found particularly revolting in this idolatrous painting of John Paul II, is the prominent display of the “broken cross” (also known as the “bent cross”). John Paul II seemed to be particularly fond of using it, but it is frankly Satanic. From the time of Vatican II (1962-1965), it has been in use by the Popes. Roman Catholic writer, Piers Compton explains it in his book, “The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand in the Vatican”: “…This Bent Crucifix is…a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century…Its use had been revived at the time of Vatican II. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term ‘Mark of the Beast’. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls [and now, Pope Benedict XVI], carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ.” (p. 72).” What was Pope John Paul II signalling to all the anti-Christians world-wide? That he was not the “traditional conservative” that was claimed by the Vatican public relations office, but a Pope that was committed to carrying out the role of False Prophet in Satan’s New World Order Plan. Stunningly bold, it defies belief, except that another Roman Catholic author, Malachi Martin, makes this same claim. In his book, “The Keys To This Blood,” Martin charged that Pope John Paul II was committed to the New World Order Plan and that the use of the “broken cross” was evidence of it. As a further sinister note, Malachi Martin died under what many feel were suspicious circumstances. The current Pope Benedict XVI also seems quite fond of using the “broken cross” crucifix. Could it just be a matter of ignorance? Highly doubtful.
In looking at the pictures of Ratzinger’s “coronation” as Pope Benedict XVI, he carried the “broken cross” but I also noticed something further. His golden robe had two seashells prominently displayed on the front. There are two ties to the occult there. The Roman goddess, Venus (copied from the Greek goddess, Aphrodite) is identified with the symbol of the seashell since she was typically depicted as rising out of the sea from a seashell. The tradition of Venus/Aphrodite draws from the even more ancient Middle Eastern/Babylonian goddess myths of The Queen of Heaven (whose worship was condemned in the Book of Ezekiel). (The RCC hierarchy often refers to Mary as “the Queen of Heaven”.) The other tie is to the golden “bishop’s mitre” that he wears a symbol of the Middle Eastern/Babylonian “fish god,” Dagon. Could the pagan/anti-Christ idolatry be any more obvious?!
Late John Paul II’s blood and other relics arrived in Brazil on 7 July and will be venerated in the Rio’s Cathedral.
The round “wafer-Jesus” has been replaced with the “holy blood” of the Pope, to be worshiped by a million deceived Catholic youth in Rio.
The World Youth Day organizing committee has confirmed that a relic of Blessed Pope John Paul II will be exhibited during the World Youth Day (WYD) celebrations in Rio de Janeiro between 23 and 28 July 2013. A vial of Blessed John Paul II’s blood and other relics did arrive in Brazil on 7 July and will be venerated in the city’s Cathedral until 13 October, Fr. Arnaldo Rodriguez stated. Source: Blessed Sacrament My comment: Even before the late Pope has been canonized, the priesthood of Satan leads the faithful Catholics into pure witchcraft. Like Satanists tap blood from slaughtered chicken to worship spirits, Catholic priests use the tapped blood of the Pope for “spiritual purposes”.
Pope Emeritus worship the blood of John Paul II.
Roman Catholic Bishops tapped blood from the deceased and dying Pope. All men who are not completely wicked can understand the idolatry of bowing before, and kiss a container with blood tapped from a sick old man. To declare this kind of blood “holy” will provoke the Holy Father God in Heaven to anger. It is not difficult to understand that Roman Catholics are told that suffering physical illness is something noble and “holy”. Because they will all be brought to the bed of sufferings, and finally to the eternal fire of Hell. What they are told to do by their priests is nothing but “first class” blasphemy. Their distasteful rituals is based on doctrines made by demons, followed by men who hate God of the Bible. The Cardinals, Bishops and priests of Rome are whitewashed tombs and brood of viper’s. Only the blood of Jesus is Holy. If you want to live, you must never accept or acknowledge the extreme evil of the Vatican, and present it as a part of the Christian family.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
The Church Reformers called the Pope in Rome for an antichrist. They were right. Nothing has changed under the sun for the last 500 years. Have you become an antichrist too, defending Satan’s Church? Written by Ivar
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The Vatican, the Great Whore and Mother of Harlots will indeed be destroyed and a true Christian can only say, Amen and Amen. The real tragedy are the Catholic people. I’m not talking about the popes, cardinals, pedophile, homosexual priest, I am talking about the millions perhaps billions that are doomed and damned for all of eternity. They were deceived by the wicked one and his agents in Catholicism. I do not hate the people that are catholic. But I loath, hate and revile Catholicism. The whore system that burned, beheaded, drowned, flayed alive, boiled and grilled my forefathers and forefathers of the faith. Along with them The Church of England and John Calvin did the same. Salvation is only found in the name above all names, Jesus Christ the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. When He returns the whore will be destroyed in an hour. He won’t be a babe in a manger. This time He will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords. We will be riding posse with Him to watch Him do battle.
Shameless religious fraud linked to blood of the Pope
The Roman Catholics adore and kiss the tapped blood of the late Pope.
Father Thaddeus M. Bocianowski holds up a first class relic containing a drop of the blood of the late Pope.
Father Thaddeus M. Bocianowski, pastor of St. Stanislaus Parish in Buffalo, holds a recently received relic of “Blessed John Paul II”. The relic currently rests before a statue of the late pope.
The relic, a drop of Blessed John Paul’s blood, is currently displayed in front of a statue of the man himself just in front of the pews.
Source: Western New York Catholic. Lets read what the BBC recorded about the blood of the late Pope.
Blood taken from Pope John Paul II before he died is to go on display at his beatification on Sunday. One of four small vials of blood removed from John Paul during his final days will be used, the Vatican said in a statement. The Polish pontiff is to be beatified at a ceremony celebrated by his successor, Pope Benedict XVI. Pope John Paul II, whose papacy lasted 27 years, died on 2 April 2005 after battling Parkinson’s disease.
Source: The BBC My comment: The spiritual prostitution and religious fraud will reached its nadir just before the return of the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
A Catholic in Krakow in Poland bow under the altar to kiss the container with the blood of the late Pope.
There is no end of the shameful and damnable fraud in the Vatican. The above picture has the following recorded picture-text:
Central altar with the relic of John Paul II’s blood in a glass case
Polish girls in national dresses carry a container with “holy blood” of the Pope on their shoulders. Cursed by their parents, and cursed by wicked priests.
A Roman Catholic priest bow before the container with “holy blood”.
The present Pope kiss the container with tapped blood of the late Pope.
Fraud linked to minting of money and religious indulgences is a never ending story in Rome. Here is hair cut from the dying Pope.
A close-up view of the relic of Blessed John Paul II. The reliquary contains hair from the late John Paul II, who was beatified on May 1, in St. Peter’s Square by Pope Benedict XVI.
Even before the late Pope has been canonized, the priesthood of Satan leads the faithful Catholics into pure witchcraft. Like Satanists tap blood from slaughtered chicken to worship spirits, Catholic priests use the tapped blood of the Pope for “spiritual purposes”. Roman Catholic Bishops tapped blood from the deceased and dying Pope. All men who are not completely wicked can understand the idolatry of bowing down under an altar, to kiss a container with blooded taped from a sick old man. To declare this kind of blood “holy” will provoke the Holy Father God in Heaven to anger. It is not difficult to understand that Roman Catholics are told that suffering physical illness is something noble and “holy”. Because they will all be brought to the bed of sufferings, and finally to the eternal fire of Hell. What they are told to do by their priests is nothing but “first class” blasphemy. Their distasteful rituals is based on doctrines made by demons, followed by men who hate God of the Bible. The Cardinals, Bishops and priests of Rome are whitewashed tombs and brood of viper’s. Only the blood of Jesus is Holy. If you want to live, you must never accept or acknowledge the extreme evil of the Vatican, and present it as a part of the Christian family.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
The Church Reformers called the Pope in Rome for an antichrist. They were right. Nothing has changed under the sun for the last 500 years. Have you become an antichrist too, defending Satan’s Church? Read more about the scam linked to the blood of the Pope: Here is a link to the arrival of the blood in Columbia. First published March 2nd, 2012. Written by Ivar
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Ivar wrote: “Have you become an antichrist too, defending Satan’s Church?” Shalom Ivar, you should ask this question yourself. Please do not be angry with me but in some of your comments on your web-site you use the term: “God the Son” which is totally unscriptural. Most surely you know the “Shmah Israel”: “Hear O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD!” (Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echad) The term “God the Son” is not written one single time in the Bible. Always “Son of God”. May I ask you here also a question: How were you baptised? Perhaps in the tri-une magic occult witchcraft formula: “In the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost?” What is the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost? The answer is: The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38 a.o.) Are you defending the trinity and the water baptism in the tri-une formula which are the two pillars of the Roman church? Be like Samson: Pull these two pillars down, even if you will die with it. “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye recieve not of her plagues.” “He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” Shalom P.S.: I did not want to hurt you Ivar, perhaps you are one of the 144.000 virgins. May be it will wake up some of the readers of your web-site. I just could not remain silent any longer. Please forgive me.
Dear Shalom. Shalom. I will not get angry on you. This is a website for free expression about faith. There is some limits. Jew-hat will not be tolerated. Obviously not people who throw spells and curses, and not at all filthy language. Blessings.
There is nothing FREE about a Christians expression about their faith, Jesus paid a high price for us, as well as you, HE has labored 24/7 for our walk out of darkness into His glorious light. Oh no dear, this is not a FREE site, it is a blessing that one of His opens a place for you and us all to talk about how we feel and believes ..it costs, in many ways, Time, prayer, obedience to The Lord of Glory…so that all can come and drink of the fountain within us all..for all who are so loved by The Glorious Savior Jesus Christ!
Dear Shalom. Shalom. You wrote: May I ask you here also a question: How were you baptised? Perhaps in the tri-une magic occult witchcraft formula: “In the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost?” My reply: Please do not call the Biblical New testament Baptism for an “occult witchcraft formula”. Are you a Oneness Pentecostal, from the sect “Jesus only”? Please confirm.
You wrote: Please do not call the Biblical New testament Baptism for an “occult witchcraft formula”. My reply: Mt. 28:19 is the absolute truth and so is Acts 2:38. There is no contradiction in the Scriptures. It is so simple like mathematics. 3×3=9. You can not just repeat 3×3=3×3. You must give the answer which is 9 (The Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is the LORD Jesus Christ) There is only “one LORD, one faith, one baptism.” (Eph. 4:5) We only need to understand God’s Word the right way. Satan has misused and misinterpreted the Word of God, right from the beginning. If it were possible he would even deceive the elect. You wrote: Are you a Oneness Pentecostal, from the sect “Jesus only? My reply: No, I’m not. They are also daughters of her mother, just like all the other denominations. The Bible says it like this: “Mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.” “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye seperate, saith the LORD, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the LORD Almighty”. Shalom
Mt. 28:19 is very, very controversial. A lot of scholars say it should not be there, probably inserted by early catholics. I was baptized in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ…..like everyone else in the Book of Acts.
Dear Steveair. Shalom. You wrote: I was baptized in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ…..like everyone else in the Book of Acts. My comment: Do you also have a Father God in Heaven, who is the father of the begotten Son?
Dear Roger. Shalom. You wrote: I KNOW JESUS NAILED THE LAWS OF MOSES ON THE CROSS BUT THESE ARE NOT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS. My comment: Jesus nailed our failure to obey the Law to the cross. He did not nail the Law. He is the lawgiver, and the Law is righteous and good. All of them, around 630 of them. There is a huge misunderstanding around what Paul says about the Law. The law is not a curse, set by Jesus on the people He lovers. This kind of non sense talk makes Jesus a user of spells and curses. He is not. To be under the Law is a curse, from the moment there is a better covenant. The New covenant is a better deal for mankind. There is no longer a need for blood sacrifices. Jesus became the passover lamb, who was slaughtered for our justification. No longer can the blood of animals take away the stains and guilt of sins, and justify any human being.
I had your name as ivarfjeld, now you sound like Philip…….. Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?”8
very powerful stuff in this blog. So much hate. Interpretation is not everything. We will all know the truth one day. There is no right interpretation no matter how much scripture you know, it is how you live your life and treat others that will count when we are judged. Make no mistake about it, we will all be judged.
How do you ‘Interpret a STOP Sign???????” The Word of God says what He means and means what He says! So many foolish foolish people… But then many ‘do interpret a Stop Sign’….that’s why there are so many Wrecks! just like there are so many Deceived…by those who ‘Interpret The Word of God to suit their own self instead of believing what HE says !
400 years after her death, she was exhumed. Clair’s heart was cut out. The Vatican claim a crucifix and a scourge was found inside this piece of flesh .
This is the claimed heart of Clair, that was supposed to have been cut out of the corpse 400 years after her death.
Saint Clare of Montefalco (1268 –1308) is one of the most Interesting “saints” of the Roman Catholic religion. Jesus was supposed to have appeared to her, and took a wooden cross and pierced her heart. The Vatican has claimed that a miniature crucifix was found in her exhumed, cut out heart, reported as a miracle that lead to her canonization 400 years after her death.
The Catholic copy of “Jesus” forced him self of this woman, and pulled a piece of wood into her heart.
Here is some recorded information: The canonization process was initiated in 1328, but it was not until April 13, 1737, that Clare was beatified by Pope Clement XII. On December 8, 1881, the feast of the Immaculate Conception, Pope Leo XIII canonized Clare as Saint Clare of Montefalco at Saint Peter’s Basilica in Rome.[1] She was recognized as an Augustinian rather than a Franciscan This is what have been recorded:
Immediately following Clare’s death her heart was removed from her body, and upon inspection it was reported that symbols of Christ’s passion, a crucifix and a scourge, were found within her heart. The crucifix reportedly found within Clare’s heart is about the size of a thumb. Christ’s head leans slightly towards the right arm of the crucifix, and his body is white, except for the “tiny aperture in the right side which is a livid reddish color.”
The canonization process was initiated in 1328, but it was not until April 13, 1737, that Clare was beatified by Pope Clement XII. On December 8, 1881, the feast of the Immaculate Conception, Pope Leo XIII canonized Clare as Saint Clare of Montefalco at Saint Peter’s Basilica in Rome. She was recognized as an Augustinian rather than a Franciscan. Source: Wikipedia My comment: Let us not focus on the wickedness of grave looting in regards to this “story”, but rather look into another section of scriptures. This is a brilliant example of Roman Catholics teaching that“Jesus” desire to see all followers carry a piece of wood, even inside their physical heart.
And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
Religious people do not understanding that Jesus was pointing towards the surety of persecution, for all his followers who keep telling the truth in words and deeds. Jesus the Messiah was persecuted. Likewise all his true followers will be persecuted. We are told by the Vatican, that Jesus him self shall have cut through the skin, flesh and bones of this “saint:” and forcefully put a little piece of wood inside her heart. And that this “crucifix” was discovered inside the cut out heart of this saint, 400 years after her death. And inside the heart, there was even a scourge..!! Again, this is a mixture of a theological short circuit and a fairytale told by Roman Catholic bishops. It lifts up a piece of a rotten piece of human flesh as something “holy”. The distribution of this kind of legends defame all followers of the true faith. Because non-believers can obviously not fully understand that Roman Catholicism has absolutely nothing to to with Biblical Christianity. Written by Ivar
“Holy blood” of John Paul II paid Colombia a visit
The blood of John Paul II has arrived in Colombia.“His blood is the symbol of life, says Father Slawomir Oder.
The small round cylinder inside the glass mounter contains a sample of the blood of the late Pope, ready to be carried through the streets of Bogota.
The relics that arrived in Bogota 20th of January consist of a small vile of the late pontiff’s blood which was extracted by medical officials before his death in April of 2005.
The small container with Papal blood is kept inside the glass monter.
Some few drops of blood of the late Pope is transported like this to Columbia.
“His blood is the symbol of life, life given for God and for others and its presence reminds us of the Christian vocation to spend one’s life loving God and neighbor,” said Father Slawomir Oder, postulator of John Paul II’s cause for canonization and custodian of the relic. On Jan. 21 the relic will be venerated during a Mass celebrated by Archbishop Ruben Salazar Gomez of Bogota at the parish of Mary Queen of Heaven. On Jan. 22 the relic will travel to the city of Cartago. Source: Catholic News Agency (CNA). My comment: To brand the blood of a created being as “holy”, is outright blasphemy.
The Pope worships items of dead people, also tapped blood of a mortal man who was crippled in his old age.
Romans 5:9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!
The Pope closes his eyes, kisses and adores blood taped from John Paul II before He died.
Hebrews 10:29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
A nun carries the “Holy blood” in a silver monstrance.
Hebrews 10:4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
The pictures of the present Pope kissing a container with the taped blood of the late Pope is bizarre and horribly wicked. Would you like to tap the blood of your neighbor, and carry it on your shoulders? What about carrying it down the streets in a small container, wearing an old Otto Von Bishmack helmet?
Otto Von Bichmark.
Satanists tap blood of chickens, and use it for the worships of spirits. Just like a chicken, the Pope was cut, and his blood kept for adoration and veneration after his death. In regards to Roman Catholic doctrine, there is confusion in the camp. The Pope is not yet a“saint”. His exit from Purgatory is not confirmed, and no one knows if he can listen to the worshipers prayers. Still they offer incense before the container with his blood.
Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Bretone, offers incense to the “Holy blood” of the late pope.
This is really ugly. This is really satanic. The whore of Babylon knows no limits.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
Only the blood of Jesus is Holy. Only the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sins. The blood of chickens and popes are not holy. Only Satan rejoices when blood of chicken and humans are used to worship “god”.
The present Pope hail the blood tapped from the old and dying John Paul II.
Jesus never sinned, and His blood is holy. John Paul II was a sinner. He was extremely sick in his last days, suffering from Parkinson disease. Is his blood contaminated? Shall people bow before such blood, close their eyes, pray and kiss the container? What a damnable hell bound priesthood. You brood of vipers., who leads hundred of millions of people towards the gates of Hell. Repent, or burn in the everlasting fire. First published: 22nd of January 2012. Written by Ivar
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“Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the Lord” (Jeremiah 8:12). This heinous act of idolatry — worshiping the human blood of a sinful man now rotting in hell and calling it “holy” — has pushed the unfathomable evils of the Roman Catholic church into a WHOLE NEW LEVEL of occult worship. This atrocious act is comparable to satanists who use human blood as the highest form of sacrifice in rituals. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ warned us that in the last days before His return, evil men and seducers shall grow WORSE and WORSE. I wouldn’t be surprised if not in the too distant future, Roman Catholic priests will begin to also DRINK the human blood of the final pope in worship of him — the final antichrist — and require that all the people of the earth do the same. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth in those days… This unconscionable evil will not go unpunished. Jesus said, VENGEANCE IS MINE AND I WILL REPAY. (Hebrews 10:30) He will execute wrath on them that do evil as His hatred of sin will not tolerate ANYTHING MORE. There will be NO PARDON for those who have “trampled the Son of God underfoot, who have treated as an unholy thing the Blood of the Covenant that sanctified them.” O God who avenges, shine forth! Cut these evil men off for all eternity and rescue your true church from the earth. Take us far, far away from the followers of satan and from the destruction of the earth that is almost upon us. Even So, Come, Lord Jesus.
Ivar, another great insight into the apostate Catholic church and Their non-Christian methods. I do have to point out yet again that Otto Von Bismarck was a dedicated Lutheran, and from 1871 to 1878, Bismarck instituted what was known as the Kulturkampf, which in part was to try and limit the influence of the Catholic Party in the German Empire and stop the Pope from influencing Politics in a newly united German Empire. Bismarck was not an evil man, and was anti-Vatican, anti-socialist, and the type of person that would have shown great disdain for the socialists and globalists like Hitler, Stalin, Soros, etc. As for the Pickelhaube, there were different styles depending on regiment, and the Kingdom of Sweden still uses them, and Chile adopted Prussian style uniforms in the 1880′s, so nothing sinister about this. We need to focus on what matters, and that is churches that are luke warm in the word of God, and keep exposing the apostate Catholic church. God Bless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickelhaube http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf#USA
There are only 2 religions…the one that comes from Christ and the one that comes from Babylon. Almost none of what the Catholic church does ( or any other institutional church for that matter) has a biblical precedent
There is NO religion that comes from JESUS CHRIST!!! There’s only a relationship with HIM!! Where in the HOLY Bible do you find Scripture to “back” your statement of there being “two religions”…or even one religion? It’s not there! Be careful of the words that come out of your mouth when “preaching” GOD…I know I, for one, don’t want to be accused, and/or held accountable for being a false witness. Read, study and learn GOD’s Word! It is that which will carry us through eternity! AMEIN!
These pics are very helpful. I was able to use them today to witness to two Catholics. They were not impressed at all by this vile of blood being kissed by their pope; so perhaps 1 seed was planted in their souls today.
Dear Kay. Shalom. I have earlier explained that you are a blessing for the Kingdom. You will lead many of the Roman Catholics you love to faith in Jesus the Messiah. News That Matters might be a slugger among Christian websites. But in regards to the religious sections of Catholicism, we have to use plain warnings and publish photos of quit spectacular manifestations.
Ivar, Thank you. I hope my Lord can use me – weak though I am – to bless others. That they may come to to know Him. Your photos are very helpful as I talk to people. They continue to be helpful to me, 2. Pictures enter where words do not. Peace to you & praying you are blessed in this ministry of News That Matters. It is no small task what you & your editors do;know there are souls like mine who are grateful. Kay
Oh Ivar, I am just so sick from looking at these photos. I have seen the skulls, the bones, the statues being kissed, the rusty chains from St. Peter hanging above an alter, but blood being kissed is just — just,I can’t even express the words to describe how horrible this is. How could anybody continue wanting to be a part of a church that is doing these things? How could anyone close their eyes to this and think this is somehow alright in God’s eyes? How?
It is indeed blatant idolatry at its finest. And our God is not impressed. Perhaps the “god” of this world they worship IS, but by far NOT the Jesus as recorded in Scripture. I was also once a RC myself. Yet it was only by the grace of God that I too was led out. But I had a desire for the truth. I pray more RC’s have the same.
Dear DefendingGod’s Word: I do not know about you, but with me I can see How glimmers/seeds of truth began working in me @ 1992…so it took about twenty years of seeking truth for me to know the Lord & hear his gospel message & accept Him A’s my savior. I encourage all to not give up hope in reaching Catholics in love: May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word. (2 Thessalonians 2:16, 17 NIV84)
All that you spread is hatred. The peoples of Scandinavia and other post-Protestant countries only share a hatred of Catholicism, irregardless of their theism or atheism. A Scandinavian atheist will say the same thing as you, yet that will not be a profession of Faith in the Holy Trinity. I must applaud you, if spreading hatred towards Catholicism is your goal, you have succeeded. Your peoples all in unison repeat you. At least do not insult us, for the faith of the imperfect cannot be perfect. Do you agree that the imperfect can believe perfectly? Let me tell you what a priest tells me after the sacrament of confession, when I privately announce my sins to the priest, the alter-Christus. “In your hierarchy of values, is God in the first place? Do you put money, work, the cares of life above God? Do you worship other gods, do you worship the idols of money, good reputation?” Then the priest gives me absolution of my sins, and tells me to read a chapter of the Bible or say a litany. Do you place God in the first place, before all things?
Dear Tomasz S. Shalom. You wrote: I must applaud you, if spreading hatred towards Catholicism is your goal, you have succeeded. Your peoples all in unison repeat you. My reply: I love you enough to tell you the truth. Your comment has a logical shot circuit. Most of Protestants do not evangelize Roman Catholics, but accept the Pope as a Christian leader. You are entitled to have your private opinions. And you are free to curse me. But please give me Bible verses that explains that I am wrong. I do not need any other blessings than those of Jesus the Messiah. I honor Him.
Gospel of St.Matthew chapter 18: v.1 Who is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven?.. verse 4. whosoever shall humble himself, but v.6 whoso shall offend one of these, who believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone wre hanged around his neck. Gospel of St.Luke 21 : 34-36 v.34, And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares. v.35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. v.36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. _____________ Epistle to St.James ch.5 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. 12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
Dear Ivarfjeld, I love your reply to Tomasz. He’s not aware of the truth about Jesus Christ our Lord and it seems he does’t want to know. I pray that God will open his eye to the truth. As for you, Ivar, keep doing the good work. Jesus has shed his blood for us and there is no scripture in the bible that says the blood of any other man (saints or no saints) will wash away sins or draw anybody to God. Whoever worships the blood of a dead man is worshiping idols. Those behind it knows what that it is wrong, but majority of their congregation are ignorant of the spiritual implication. They will remain in bondage and die in their sins except they believe that Jesus is the only saint and mesiah that we need (John 8:24). Jesus is Lord
Oh My, Tomasz S.! Do you hear yourself? Did you not read what you wrote before posting? Surely you can’t believe, in your heart, what you said. No One, absolutely No One…but GOD, can absolve (forgive and “wipe clean”) a person of their sins. Please, I implore you to show me Scripture in GOD’s Holy Word that says a priest, or any man/woman/child on earth can, or is capable of doing this. As far as your statement about “sharing a hatred of Catholicism,”…I tell you now that I can’t stand that “religion”!! GOD says, “Hate the sin [Catholicism], love the sinner.” I have a Great many friends who are Catholic. I love them! I deplore their “religion”! I’m busy “planting seeds”! Do you honestly think GOD is pleased with the ideals of your faith? NO! It’s an abomination to HIM. Come out! Come out of the Catholic church and run into a relationship with GOD!! Do it before it’s too late. AMEIN!
PLEASE KEEP POSTING THESE PICS AND ARTICLES NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS TO OR AGAINST YOU? DOESN’T THE BIBLE SAY SOMETHING LIKE:”WARNING BEFORE DESTRUCTION AND A HAUGHTY SPIRIT BEFORE A FALL”? I ALSO BELIEVE THE LORD IS USING YOU TO HELP OPEN UP ‘BLINDED’ EYES AND HEARTS WITHIN THE CATHOLIC SYSTEM, TO SEE WHAT’S GOING ON AROUND THEM, IN ORDER TO BRING THEM TO THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT JESUS DID FOR THEM BY GIVING HIS VERY LIFE, IN ORDER FOR THEM ‘NOT’ TO HAVE TO DO OR GO THROUGH TERRIBLE THINGS LIKE THIS. WE WILL KEEP TOMASZ S. IN OUR PRAYERS, THAT HIS ANGER WILL MOVE HIM TOWARDS SEEKING OUT ‘GOD’S TRUTH’ IN WAYS HE CAN’T IMAGINE, IN ORDER FOR HIM TO ‘KNOW’ BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT WHAT JESUS CHRIST REALLY DID FOR HIM (AND THE REST OF US TOO).
Tomasz: I must applaud you, if spreading hatred towards Catholicism is your goal, you have succeeded. Your peoples all in unison repeat you. Hi Tomasz, God wants his people to shine light on truth. Jesus is the TRUTH. It is Jesus who we ask you to follow, not religion. It is not because of hatred of Catholicism, it is out of love for the TRUTH that we point you to Jesus. Religion teaches people to be silent, to just keep the peace, to be politically correct. Pilate knew Jesus was innocent but to keep the peace he handed him over. That is what religion does. You spoke about putting God in first place, but I would ask you how you are honoring God and putting him FIRST if you disregard the very words of Jesus and permit yourself to be taught that it is okay to call a man, the Pope “Holy Father”? or teach you that the “Holy Father’s” blood is the symbol of life? It is Jesus alone who is LIFE. He is the very tree of LIFE that is mentioned in Genesis. He is not a symbol of life, he is LIFE. Religion robs us of the TRUTH and the TRUTH is Jesus. My prayer is that you will truly search your heart and choose to put God above all. “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and LEARN FROM ME, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Matthew 11: 28-30
This is sick and gross. It is idolatry and strongly forbidden by God according to his word. Only the blood of Jesus is recognized, the Savior for ALL mankind. NO ONE POSSESSES HOLINESS IN THEIR BLOOD. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We all possessed vile nature within us. But ONLY the blood of Jesus was WORTHY TO BE SHED ON THE CROSS! GOD SAID TO LIFT UP JESUS, NOT MAN! FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON…….
The Spirit behind the Catholic church are demons. ONE CAN NEVER BE A CATHOLIC AND SAVED OR BORN AGAIN. Its important that all Catholics that claim to be Christians come out of her and find themselves a good Christian, bible based Christ following church and become A member and remove themselves completely from the Catholic lie. Their salvation depends on this.
They need to make up their minds. They call the pope their spiritual father then worship his human blood. Personally I think they know what they’re doing; muddying the water so nobody understands.
Scriptures says followers of Christ are holy, made holy by Christ. 1 Peter 1:15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 1 Thess 5:23 “Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way… So you could say if the pope is a follower of Christ he would be holy, like any other follower of Christ But it’s a complete perversion of scripture to say his blood is holy. Disgusting what the catholic church teaches…
One would figure, that now that Catholics can read the scriptures in their own language, Catholicism would have died. But people either don’t read it and don’t care, or people actually justify the nonsense through scripture! I have some catholic apologetic books, and the reasoning they try to use is even sicker!
A skull placed inside a head of gold, with “golden hair” is paraded and adored in France as claimed to be Mary Magdalene.
The absolute nadir of spiritual perversion. Disgracing the name of Mary from Magdala.
This “reliquary with skull of Mary Magdalene”can be venerated and adored in the basilica crypt of St. Maximinin la Saint Baume in France. This is what a blogger writes:
The supposed skull of Saint Mary Magdalene encased in a golden mask decorated by figurines. Christians believe she was healed by Jesus, and that He appeared to her after His resurrection.
That this skull is venerated inside this crypt, is bad enough. But the public parade of this front part of a human head, is tasteless and almost beyond explainable.
French Roman Catholics parade this golden statue on their shoulders.
These Catholics claim this skull is of the first Christian witness that saw the risen Messiah. But while they parade these bones on their shoulders, the skull is hidden behind a golden mask.
The skull is covered by a golden mask, when this abomination is paraded through the streets.
They have put a front cover on the skull, to make it look like a “golden angel”. But inside the“Church”, the worshiper’s can adore and venerate the skull.
The golden mask is removed, when the golden idol is displayed inside this Vatican approved and blessed “Church”.
What a shameless disgrace. An almost not explainable spiritual perversion.
A “Church” that would fit perfectly in a horror movie. The golden statue is placed at the center of the room meant for prayer and worship.
One Christians once told me: It is better to face a devil with a true face, than a devil with a mask. The Apostles Paul warns us about Satan appearing as an angel of light. I guess this is one of the best examples from the Roman Catholic World. 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. The Bible is very clear about what kind of people who have made this kind of golden mockery of the truth. Isaiah 44:9 All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame. Isaiah 45:16 All the makers of idols will be put to shame and disgraced; they will go off into disgrace together.
The skull is placed on a cut of head, made of gold. Lifted up by golden demons.
Its is not easy to confirm that this skull is of a female. I guess the golden hair made the difference for the Pope in Rome.
The Apostle Jude has something to say to “certain individuals who have secretly slipped in among you” through your acceptance of the Papacy into the body of Jesus. Jude 1:13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. Get out of this falsehood called the Roman Catholic Church. If not your whole body will fall into corruption, and your soul will be filled with mortal spiritual diseases. The Vatican is surely a house of demons. Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. First published: January 15th, 2011. Written by Ivar
I ran across this and would ask if I am mistaken or not in what it looks like. http://www.sanctuaryofthedivinemercy.org/ It appears to be Mary sitting between the Cherubims above the ark of the testimony, where I thought God sat on the mercy seat.
Hei min venn, Shalom There must be a marvelous blindness on people to think that stuff like this is of God. “The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian church. And in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness on them.” Quote attributed to Cotton Mather
Take a look again; Jesus quite literally IS her heart … in the Eucharist … Mary leads people to her Son; read about the great saints and also the faithful Catholics of not so many years back (i.e. Mother Teresa of Calcutta and Fr. John A. Hardon) if you want to know about the “power” behind the Catholic faith.
The Eucharist is not biblical. It was created by the papacy, designed to mislead. Jesus do not need people to be led to Him. He went out and people came in droves. People were naturally drawn to Him. He don’t need a spokesperson. When people exalt or try to exalt themselves to being like God, that is blasphemy, in the highest degree. Satan exalted himself and was kicked out of heaven because he cause a rebellion and his followers were booted out with him. When you bow down to man, its idolism. Beautifying and worshiping the so-called skull of Mary Magdalene is NECROMANCY (magical like stardust). Don’t be hoodwinked, rather pray for the removal of those scales from your eyes. Abundant blessings
Dear Byron. Shalom. Your comment was very short. Do you mean “god the wife”, or “god the mother”? What about God the Father, and God the Son? Do you acknowledge them also?
The mystery about Mary Magdalene and Jesus always made me curious… when I discovered that there were alleged remains, I wanted to visit them but I remembered how humans omits information to deceive the people! especially the church in its ancient councils… this is not mary magdalene… Im Catholic, but this is disgusting! God have mercy!!
People not respecting other people’s beliefs and religions…that’s disgusting. Why don’t you mind your own business and worship who ever you want to worship and not write things like this. I’m sure there’s something in the bible that says something like “thou shall not talk shit”
I am Catholic. I believe what I believe and it is none of my business what other people think of what I believe. There are many sources of pro and con regarding the Catholic Faith. The mystery of my Faith lies in belief of God The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Holy Trinity directs my beliefs.
Dear Bob. Shalom. There is also a fake religion, that includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You have to be sure that the God who has saved you, is God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. This God has explained who He is, in the 1st and 2nd commandment. This is a test if you are with the true Trinity, or not. First: Exodus 20:2-3 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.3 ‘You shall have no other gods before me. Second: Exodus 20:4-6 4 ‘You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. (end of scripture) If you believe both the Pope and God are ‘Holy Fathers”. If you bow before images and clay statues of “the Queen of Heaven”, saints and madonna’s, you follow a copy of the Trinity. You do not believe in the first commandment, and you blaspheme against the second.
“Virgin” Mary, Mother of God. It was Mary who made God the Father of the Son; and it was Mary who made Jesus the Son of the Father. If she was both Bride and Mother of God, the God was guilty of the Sin of Incest impregnating his own mother to begat himself.
Hello. It is not Mary that created God. God was always there … From everlasting to everlasting, the beginning, the Alpha and the Omega, etc. Mary was born like you and me, she was impregnated (immaculate conception) and gave birth to Jesus, the son. In no way was she to be more than Jesus. Jesus is the truth and the light. This what the Bible says. Please do not make any gutless comments because you are insulting the One who created the world and formed you in your mothers womb. In the Biblical times, people were stoned for blasphemy and In the Dark Ages, people were burned for heresy. I pray the scales are removed from your eyes, your heart and your mind, before its too late. Go read a Bible with an open mind and do so prayerfully. Then and only then should you feel free to comment because you will have knowledge and you will answer intelligently and truthfully. You must have had a very sad life to think this way. God bless Robin Tobin
Jax, You said: In the Biblical times, people were stoned for blasphemy and In the Dark Ages, people were burned for heresy. My comment: You are a bit too harsh. Even then those that were stoned, deserved to be preached to so that they could have come to Jesus and repented, before their death. And those that do not believe in Jesus are free to comment on this site, in hopes that they learn and come to know the salvation Jesus offers them. Let us preach to them in love. God Bless, Gloria
You people have a foolish bias. Why is it not disgusting to say that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were married and it is fine to criticize the veneration of the relics of a saintly person? Hollywood or whatever fiction has led you to believe that death and skulls etc are scary…that is your problem! The truth is that we all have them under or vain flesh and we all will die one day. If you don’t want to think about it, that is your problem and your loss. I think your comments are of bad taste and your lack of education and your close-mindedness pitiful. Cherioooo!
John, Your comment: You people have a foolish bias. Why is it not disgusting to say that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were married and it is fine to criticize the veneration of the relics of a saintly person? My comment: Actually that is a pretty horrific lie. Jesus was NOT married to Mary Magdalen. That is NOT in the Word of God, and for people to even believe such a thing is disgusting. Jesus had cast out demons in Mary Magadalene, and she became a faithful follower of Christ. That was it! Luke 8:1-3: Afterward [Jesus] journeyed from one town and village to another, preaching and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. Accompanying him were the Twelve and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, Susanna, and many others who provided for them out of their resources. Your Comment: Hollywood or whatever fiction has led you to believe that death and skulls etc are scary…that is your problem! The truth is that we all have them under or vain flesh and we all will die one day. My Comment: Yes we are made from flesh and bones, BUT NO WHERE does it say in the Word of God, that we are to bow down to them and praise them. Romans 1:25 Because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. Jesus clearly considers this demonic. 1 Corinthians 10:20-21 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
@ Gloria , we do not bow down to worship the skulls but to honor them. Mary was very special to Jesus, she was the first eye witness of the resurrection.
Sam, That you bow down to worship dead bones, statues, humans alive or dead, or anything is horrendous in nature. For none of those things will get you to heaven. It is only by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior.
Satan has deceived the whole world until a woman delivers the true word of God Rev 12:5. She is not a church, she is not Israel, and she is not Mary. She is the prophet like unto Moses and Elijah Matt 17:3, Acts 3:23, Luke 1:17 delivering the true word John 1:1 from the wilderness Rev 12:6 that turns the hearts of the Father’s to the children of God as a witness Matt 24:14 to prepare a people for the Lord’s return. God our Father will not put any child of his into a hell fire no matter what their sins. It never entered the heart or mind of God to ever do such a thing Jer 7:31, Jer 19:5. *Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; (him) shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you”. The word (him) is Strong’s # 846 properly translated it would read she. What was Moses like? Find out here Numbers 12:3. Prove ALL things http://thegoodtale.blogspot.com. A righteous judge gathers ALL evidence before making a judgment.
People Idols worship Sport players! Are they demons too? All is see a memorial or shrine of human skulls that are supposedly of the first followers of Jesus. Is that a sin?? NO!
There’s a fair chance that this skull does not even belong to Mary Magdalene (their acquisition are often suspect). What we do know is that the veneration of such objects detestable before God, and should be avoided by all who call Jesus, Lord.
Why does the Vatican endorse these barbaric displays? The Arm of St. Francis Xavier has been touring Australia. However there is a little problem. St. Frank’s body was lost overboard on his way to Spain. His body was replaced with that of a Buddhist Monk. Then the Cologne Cathedral has a gold reliquary containing the alleged bones of the “Three Wise Men”, supposed to have been found by Queen Helena, the mother of the founder of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, Roman Emperor Constantine I. The Vatican did put its foot down over the veneration of the Holy Foreskin of Jesus in Calcata, Italy. But the “Holy” Blood of Pope John Paul II is in six vials. One is in the Cathedral of Krakov, Poland and another has been touring South America. They want to Canonise this heretical Pope who used to say Mass amongst pagan artifacts and kissed a Quran.
Dear roberttobin Shalom. That the Roman Catholic religion is based on paganism is bad, and an ongoing spiritual disaster. Many Catholics will be amazed, finding them self in Hell together with their parish priests. But there have been many warnings, that their “Jesus” is a copy cat, and not the true Messiah of the Bible. They have refused to listen and repent. The second largest spiritual disaster is that many protestant Churches, and even Baptist fellowships, embrace the Pope as a Christian leader. The reason for this is lukewarmness, and election of leaders that are not born again and lead by the Spirit of God. Either you will have to spend eternity in Hell, belonging to the Catholic or protestant camp, makes no difference. You are supposed to now both the bloody history of the Roman Catholic Church and the scriptures. Many will perish because of lack of knowledge, and some of pure carelessness.
Hi, I laughed at the mention of a Holy foreskin thinking that no possible reasonable person could consider that such a thing would be around, given that it would be 30 years until His ministry even started. But then I looked it up and found that the first “one” was allegedly given to Charlemagne who then gave it to the pope. also I found some of the most disgusting material I’ve ever heard. And, apparently, the only reason that the pope said no was because it was too holy an object to get into such rabble rousing, so he more or less lifted it to the level of YWHW with a penalty. The Satanism surrounding such a, obviously, false items goes over the top with documented nuns experiencing a sexual experience licking a crucifix.I probably could have skipped that but for the catholics that keep prating here, that is truly repulsive and demonic.
Gloria, To say that Catholics bow down and worship dead bones is quite disturbing! That sickens me how other Christians would ever perceive such a thing. Its also says in the bible not to judge others and not to hate! If thats how you feel about Catholics, then don’t look for such things like dead bones and misperceive it. God does bring everyone to their knees sometime in their life. It all depends on where they are in their journey. I only bow down to the one and only…. GOD! And when you see Catholics kneeing or bowing down its because we are PRAYING to GOD! Catholics love to Pray, Pray and Pray! I will pray for you too Gloria.
Dear Sam Shalom. You wrote: To say that Catholics bow down and worship dead bones is quite disturbing! That sickens me how other Christians would ever perceive such a thing. My comment: You should rather feel sick of all the rotten stuff your priests and bishops put up for display in your religious shrines. Christians who expose the wickedness of the Catholic religion is doing this because we love Catholics. There is a lot of people who claim they pray to “god”. Such claims are rather pathetic, is you in the next second make a mockery out of the true faith.
@ Shalom, If these things are wicked and EVIL, why are you looking at them?? You shouldn’t be on such a wicked site. You on here because your a HATER!! A so call REAL Christian wouldn’t be looking and reading and commenting on a Wicked webpage! Keep Praying for us Catholics. Remember ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS!
Nothing surprises me anymore with the Catholics, I don’t understand why the people who are of this faith keep on following the Pope and letting Satan have his way. If you Catholics don’t change your life and start following God you think this earth is HELL just wait to you get to the real thing, turn your like and kiss the Pope by and call out to God to save you.
It just amazes me how catholics like Jeanette Lee and Sam are so blind to the open idol worship..when the Israelite people built the golden calf , they followed it the same way that these idols are lifted up and followed. God destroyed them all and Moses had a fit when he saw what was happening. They were doing the SAME thing that we see happening with these dead relics. Sam , Jeanette , pray and ask God for direction. There is too much sin taking place in the catholic church: 1. Idol worship 2. Mary worship 3. Pedophilia 4. Ordaining of homosexual priests 5. Embracing of other faiths that do not see Jesus as God 6. Mary sighting all over the world 7. The Vatican’s involvement in the search for extra terrestrial life to evangelise them…google the Lucifer telescope And the list goes on…. Come on sister and brother …how much more abomination do you want to defend … I was assisting a church where the pastor was so focused on getting the church to look good that he forgot to see about his flock.. I left and so should you if you see so many atrocities taking place in your church. Be loyal to God first not organised religion…your salvation is your own, preserve it with fear and trembling. God bless JCEden
I believe in one God, His son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. If we love God with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength and love our neighbor as ourself, we are following His commands. Love is patient and kind, and serves the sick, the poor, those imprisoned. In Revelation, Jesus also warns us that every church has sins; all is man-made, but The Lord himself will gather all things together and make His church without stain. Mary Magdalene led a sacred life after the resurrection of our Lord, and died a Holy evangelist, unmarried, in a cave in the Pyrenees. Her bones have been identified through genetic science as a first century Mediterranean woman. You may disagree with venerating those who are Holy in Jesus, but I have not heard that the French worship Mary Magdalene. This festival is a reminder of how she spent her life in prayer and teaching others about Jesus, our Messiah. May you all have abundant life through our Lord Jesus.
Dear Susan. Shalom. You wrote: Mary Magdalene led a sacred life after the resurrection of our Lord, and died a Holy evangelist, unmarried, in a cave in the Pyrenees. Her bones have been identified through genetic science as a first century Mediterranean woman… My reply: Do you really understand the implications of your claim? There were millions of women in this area in the first century. A century is 100 years. The bones found is Spain can literally be of anyone. To claim, any bone to be bones of Miriam from Magdala in Israel, exposes the very nature of religious fraud.
Ivar: Thank you. I have learned much from you today. I look forward to many more discussions with you. I would never look down on another religion. We will not know who is right until we die. I have yet to pray to a statue or a piece of pottery. I carry pictures of my family and friends in my wallet. I do not pray to them but I enjoy seeing their likeness and the many pleasures and treasures they have given me. I am not a theologian therefore I cannot understand why many people pray and bow to a wall, I just do not know. It does not bother me, nor do I question. There are two Testaments to the Bible. The Old and New. There are not 2 Gods.
Dear Bob. Shalom, and love in Jesus. God of the Bible is the same from the first letter of Genesis, to the last letter in the book of Revelation. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. One God. Three in One. Always in agreement. I hope you do not bow before the pictures in your wallet, and pray to the person’s on the pictures? Religious Jews do not pray to the wall, nor to any created being. They pray to God of Israel, God of their forefathers. They ask Him to rebuild the walls of the Temple. That is why they stand there. If the wall of the Temples are going to be rebuilt, than the Islamic stuff built on top has to be removed. That is why the Muslims do not agree with such prayers. And do not permit Jews to pray on top of the Temple Mount.
You stupid fools who have been brainwashed by the Evil Fascist Rotten Roman Bloody Catholic Church. You have been poisoned by the GOD VIRUS. Wake up to yourselves. THERE IS NO “GOD”. There is no proof for a “God”, and don’t quote the “Holy” BUYBULLSHIT. It too is evil
My Dear Ivarfjeld: Once again, I have learned a valuable lesson from you. Please don’t believe that I would be so ignornant to believe that Jews pray to a wall. It was a bad analogy. But, now I know the reason for the behavior. I would love to attend Temple. A very dear friend of mine has been made a Rabbi. He works for a corporation to guarantee that what they sell as Kosher is Kosher.
The most revered building in the Catholic pilgrimage town of Lourdes stands untouched on high yesterday as flood waters rage down below.
Safe from flood: The Gave de Pau, the river passing through Lourdes, southwestern France
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The most revered building in the Catholic pilgrimage town of Lourdes stands untouched on high yesterday as flood waters rage down below. And so does the statue of the Virgin Mary, where the Madonna is said to have appeared before a local girl in 1858, although you’d need a boat to get to her. The Gave de Pau river, which runs through Lourdes – where the sick and disabled head for a cure – burst its banks following days of heavy rain, causing widespread flooding. Hundreds of Britons were among those evacuated as torrents of muddy water rushed through the town in South West France, leaving up to 1,000 vulnerable people stranded. Tour guide Phil Lomas said: “It’s a very worrying situation – everybody has been told to evacuate and get on to higher ground. "There are real safety concerns here, especially for those in wheelchairs, or who are otherwise disabled.” Thierry Castillo, the custodian of the Lourdes sanctuary, said: “The space in front of the grotto is entirely flooded, with the altar under water. There are torrents of mud. The damage will cost thousands.” Yesterday is was still covered by around three feet of water.
Swollen: The Massabielle cave
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The Basilica of the Immaculate Conception - the most revered building in Lourdes remained undamaged as it is set on high ground. Heavy rain is forecast to continue in the region until well into this week. The Lourdes sanctuary, which hosts 22 places of worship, was founded after 14-year-old Bernadette Soubirous claimed to have witnessed a series of visions of Mary in a cave. Since then, people suffering illness or disability claim to have been miraculously cured by the town’s spring water. Some six million people now visit Lourdes, which is in the foothill of the Pyrenees, every year - making it one of the most popular tourist destinations in Europe.
25th of October 2012. Hundreds of pilgrims had to be rescued by boats in the streets of Lourdes in Southern France. Idols were washed away into the roaring river. 20th of June 2013: Heavy floods in southwest France have left two dead and forced the closure of the Catholic pilgrimage site in Lourdes and the evacuation of pilgrims from nearby hotels.
The Roman Catholic “holy altar” in Lourdes was filled with mud and sludge.
Hundreds of Britons were among those evacuated as torrents of muddy water rushed through the town in South West France, leaving up to 1,000 vulnerable people stranded. Thierry Castillo, the custodian of the Lourdes sanctuary, said: “The space in front of the grotto is entirely flooded, with the altar under water. There are torrents of mud. The damage will cost thousands.” Source: Mirror. uk My comment: I might cross the line by calling this madonna the “lady of sludge”. But there are many other names that could have been given to this copy-cat mother of the Messiah. Some of them are quite relevant, after studying the flood that covered this township in France this weekend. The lady of mud. The lady of floods The lady of fish What about the lady of clay? Lets take a look at more photo’s:
This is the “Holy Altar” of Lourdes, before the flood.
Saturday, the altar was completely under water.
Not by the rivers of Babylon, but the altar has completely disappeared.
Leviticus 26:30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you.
This man might have caught a salmon with this kind of equipment.
This Roman Catholic altar were totally submerged. River fish of different kinds could fill the place where the priests adored their idols. I have been in Lourdes. I have never seen more idols being offered in the shops. When the flood came, all the idols drowned.
This copy of the Madonna was not able to escape the wrath of the river Pau.
The idols inside this shop in Lourdes were floating around in the shop.
Revelation 18 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.
Not easy to be an idol when the days of Noah were repeated in Lourdes.
The idols were not able to rescue them selves, and obviously no one else.
Even the Catholic priests were is deep trouble when the flood washed away the faithful.
Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.
The first disciples were fishermen. The last will be rescue workers.
If this is a copy of the ark, than the idols and the Madonna had to be left behind.
At the end of the floods, the governmental forces were called in to clean up the mess.
Broad is the road that leads to destruction. Here the river has washed out a place of idol worship, used by the death cult of Mary.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
My best guest is that Roman Catholics have learned nothing, and will soon continue to worship their worthless idols in this place. Written by Ivar
Now ”that” is like reading The Word of God…(smile) full of pictures also….He said it will take 7 years to bury the dead…they will hire people to get the bodies to bury…He’s awesome!
Dear Michael Shalom, and praise Jesus. You wrote: what a cynical, ridiculous website… My reply: Since you have come to this site by your own free will, feel free to look around. In particular, read about the Roman Catholic worship of skull, corpses and bones. http://ivarfjeld.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/ I will accept my faults, if you tell me where I have done wrong.
Pope Benedict XVI granted a plenary indulgence to those who make a pilgrimage to see and pray before the relic of “St. John Bosco”.
The corpse of Don Bosco is brought into an American Church, to be adored and venerated.
The dead body of Catholic priest John Bosco will this October be on wheels in the US.
It took a lot of trouble to get the deceased body of Don Bosco into the Church.
And the Pope has granted all Catholics a quick release from Purgatory, for all who pray in front of the mummified body of Bosco. This “plenary indulgence”, the Pope explains, can only be obtained for faithful Catholics who regularly partake in confession, the Eucharist and prayers for the Holy Father’s intentions.
A session of worship, prayer and adoration in front of the mummified Saint.
Lets read the official definition of “plenary indulgence” from the site Catholic.org.
Indulgences are two kinds: partial and plenary. A partial indulgences removes part of the temporal punishment due for sins. A plenary indulgence removes all of it. This punishment may come either in this life, in the form of various sufferings, or in the next life, in purgatory. What we don’t get rid of here we suffer there.
Source for this Papal statement that gives you direct access to Heaven: CNA. For Papist in the US, the chance to quickly escape Purgatory will occur already this October. The dead body of a claimed to be Catholic saint will be on display in Churches all over America.
To be adored and venerated. This US Catholic girl just took a picture.
A Papist priest offers incense to the dead body
A Catholic rector of a Don Bosco school stand and pray to the dead saint.
Bosco ‘s cross US journey started on September 11th, the memorial day for the Islamic terrorist attack on the US, and will not end before October 9th.
The worship service in Catholic Churches all over America has been propmoted with adds and banners.
Lets see what the Newspaper Palm Beach Post has reported on this ongoing event.
The case has been touched and wept over and prayed to by thousands of the faithful since it started its trek around the world in 2009. At its last stop in St. Petersburg, an estimated 20,000 viewed it in two days. “There were people waiting until 4 in the morning,” said the Rev. Bruce Craig, a Salesian priest from Tampa, Florida..
He will fly to Washington, D.C, and be replaced by another Salesian priest in the saint’s honor guard. Two trucks with two-man crews have driven the reliquary on all its land-based stops. A videographer accompanying the group is documenting the tour.
The saint that died 122 yeas ago had to be transported into the Church in a “wheeled chair”.
The mummified saint with his “death mask”.
What the crowds in Belle Glade will see is a life-size fiberglass image of the saint. His serene facial expression is authentic, made from his death mask. He wears ornate priestly vestments embellished in gold and lace. Inside the fiberglass effigy and not visible is a sealed metal box containing bones and tissue from his right arm.
Basilica Don Bosco has let the remains of the saint go on a World tour.
John Bosco died in 1888, when there was no Vatican statehood. Pope Pius XI canonized him in 1934. His grave was opened, and his body removed and “beautified”. My comment: Who said the younger Catholic Churches in America, does not copy the original Roman Catholic Church in Europe in regards to worship of skulls and bones? The only difference seems to be limited to age, and the amount of toxic chemicals available today to keep old corpses look fresh. Just like in the Kremlin.
It is amazing enough that Roman Catholic can drag a dead body across the seven seas. That is really wicked. But the worst part of this, is that the Pope feels he can open the gates of Heaven for all who pray in front of a deceased and mummified Catholic priest and teacher. The Catholics are also giving this dead body a welcome worthy of a president or a King. Look at the video-link below, and see Catholic nuns behave like excited children on the 4th of July. Even the local US Police gives the van transporting the “saint” escort from the airport. And pay attention to the“poor” nun coming out of the escorting limousine. Was this limo carrying the Grand Master of the Knights of Columbus? There is a suitable verse in the Bible for Catholics who adore and venerate dead bodies. Luke 9:60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” Please understand, that the Pope is the High priest of a dead Messiah, a copy cat, that will take all who call him “Holy Father” down to the eternal fire of Hell.
If you think I am not telling the truth, but ridicule and defame the Roman Catholics, please look at this video and shudder.
For some reason Ivar, I find this more disturbing than the images of bones. The Catholics are much more disturbed then I thought. Do the really think that by praying to a dead man, that they will not answer to God for the things they’ve done? Your Comment: Please understand, that the Pope is the High priest of a dead Messiah, a copy cat, that will take all who call him “Holy Father” down to the eternal fire of Hell. I totally agree, 100%.
Dear Gloria Shalom. Thanks for blessings all the readers of this blog. I cant wait till Sue gets up. She is a former hard core defender of the doctrine of Purgatory. She will faint when she reads this article.
I am glad I left this kind of foolish belief. If people will venerate this dead body, I am afraid our country will be doomed to so much calamity. worship only one Living God the Father in Heaven. I will pray for this innocent people to wake up.
Dear Loreta. Shalom, and welcome to this site. Half of my family are Roman Catholics, and I feel so sad for them. Because they go to worship in a house of demons. I love the Catholics. That Is why I keep on telling them the truth about the roots of Catholicism. Their faith is from the occult realms, with priests who twist the Word of God and indulge in endless blasphemy against God most High.
Hi Ivar, Yes, Gloria. They believe if they do every thing the Pope says they get a “get out of purgatory free card” I was Catholic and I believed it. Ivar, you get 10 stars for this one my friend.
Dear Sue. Shalom. Thanks for 10 stars. I know you agree with me. – Jesus. Let this article at least set 10 Catholics free, so they can find peace in You. Amen.
1. I am a Catholic 2. It is not worship we only worship God We venerate saints because of their life works. 3. Bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit see Paul 4. Indulgences – based on the words of Jesus What you declare bound on earth is bound in heaven and vice versa 5. My friends that are not Catholic have no problem with indulgences since they do not believe in Purgatory anyway. Thanks
Wow. Escape “purgatory” (which doesn’t exist anyway) by praying over a corpse. What a twisted religion. Sounds like some kind of macabre pagan ritual. Wait, it is just that. Instead of “St. Bosco” catholic idolatry, I prefer a nice glass of Bosco chocolate goodness: http://www.boscoworld.com/
In my youth I saw & venerated Don Bosco in Italy. As a youth I willingly accepted all that I was doctrinated with. As an adult who recently accepted Jesus Christ as my savior & refuse to worship false gods, I can now see this for it’s sickness. Catholics follow bishops/popes & swallow the doctrines/dogmas that they teach. They are very much part of a cult, and are not allowed to disagree with authority. If Jesus is your Lord & Savior then this veneration no longer is desired or needed. He alone is all you thirst for…not the hoopla of catholic devotion.
Here is a verse which refers to a “prison” where Christ descended to preach to the souls from the times of Noe: 2 Peter 3:19 In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison: 20 Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water. This shows that there is a place that is temporary for holding souls, and that it is not heaven, but is purgatory! What is interesting is that He “preached” to them.
Dear Tyler. Shalom. You wrote: This shows that there is a place that is temporary for holding souls, and that it is not heaven, but is purgatory! What is interesting is that He “preached” to them. My comment: Satan is not in Hell. That is not His domain. He rules from the Abyss, or the bottomless pit. There is smoke coming up or our of this place, because it is hot. Under his kingdom of darkness, there is a sea of fire. That is Hell. Satan knows that when the age of grace is over, and the age of judgment comes, He is doomed. He will be evicted from his present Kingdom, and will have to spend eternity in the everlasting fire. So will all who have made him king or “god”. Purgatory is a man made pace, a house of mythology. Its a pagan concept, a second chance. Godless and religious people hope and pray, that hey can be cleansed from their sins in their afterlife. The blood of Jesus is pointless and completely rejected by people who believe in this kind of paganism. The Pope has tried his best to ring this into Christianity, but all born again Christians reject this for what it is” Falsehood.
This is nauseating what in the world are people thinking. We do not live in the 17-18 century, good grief leave the dead alone and in their graves rather than parading them around the country side.. Thank GOD for JESUS CHRIST.
Dear Rose. Shalom. There are words that are not in the Bible. Like Catholics, and purgatory. When people claims they are Catholics, they reject the Messiah. “Cath” can not save them. Christ is able. So why not claim to a Christ-ian? The Roman Catholic priests will now enter into this blog, and claim that there are other words that are not found in the Bible. Like ‘Trinity” and even the word Bible. I can make this list longer. The word “deep freezer” is also not there, nether is “subway”.
So are words “trinity, incarnation, Faith alone, or scripture alone!” These are not in the Bible. The word catholic was used, meaning universal Christian church, the word Catholic was not used until the western church split from the eastern church (now known as the Orthodox Church) in the 12th century. Protestant wasn’t used until the 16 / 17th century. Even though certain words are in scripture does not make untrust worthy!!!! Although the bible is not the sole authority for the belief in purgatory (the bible’s authority rests on the authority of the Catholic Church, which declared which books made up the bible just before 400 AD) here are some biblical passages that support purgatory: prayers for the dead are seen as good – 2Tm 1:16-18, 2 Mc 12:44-46, 2 Sam 1:12 a place after death other than heaven or hell is refered to, sometimes as a place of purification – 1 Pt 3:18-20, 4:6, 1 Cor 3:15, Mt 12:32 + 36, 5:26, 2 Cor 12:2-4 nothing unclean – no impurity(we are all sinful) will enter heaven – Mt 5:48, Heb 12:14+23, Jam 3:2, Rev 21:27, 1Jn 5:16-17 Punishment remains after sin is forgiven (purification as opposed to condemnation) – 2 Sam 12:13-14, Num 14:18-23, Ps 99:8 I believe the concept of purgatory (a place or perhaps a time of purification) is scriptural. Admittedly, the “word” isn’t used (nor is “trinity”) and the concept appears in verses that could be interpreted differently. But that is true of many verses of scripture and thus why there are 30,000 plus protestant denominations (each interpretating the same verses “differently”). Purgatory is the work of Christ. It is the application of His sacrifice applied to us. If, like Paul tells us in Corinthians, we will suffer loss when we are judged, yet still saved, then it is inconceivable for us to go to Heaven because nothing unclean can enter. There is no ‘loss’ in Heaven. It is inconceivable for the verse to apply to Hell because the verse tells us that we are still saved. You can call it anything you like, but it is quite obvious that some sort of purification takes place after death. To draw an analogy: if we come to visit someone and we have mud on our shoes, we clean them or take them off before we enter. Same applies with Heaven. I don’t think you can deny the scripture passages provided, particularly in light of the fact that Jesus, a Jew, would have believed in a place of purging. Nowhere does He deny its existence. Matt 12:32 – this verse speaks of the fact that there is some sin that will be forgiven in the age to come. 1 Peter 4:6 – the gospel was preached to the dead. Now there is absolutely no use preaching to people in hell – there aint no getting out of there. So, if Jesus preached to the dead they must have been somewhere else because Heaven was not yet opened. 2 Tim 1:16-18 -Paul is asking God to grant mercy to someone who is dead
Copy of Comment also this site on proof of scripture about praying for the dead. You guys are full of hate and not love as Christian should be doing!!! Praying for the Dead Proved from Scripture 2 Timothy 1:16-18 (RSV) May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiph’orus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, [17] but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me — [18] may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day — and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus. 2 Timothy 4:19 Greet Prisca and Aq’uila, and the household of Onesiph’orus. Onesiphorus, of course, is generally accepted to have been dead when Paul wrote these passages. I know well you guys won’t accept this Book because Martin Luther (Father Protestanism!!) took the seven books out of the Old Testament! 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 43 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; 44 for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. (shortened. Editor).
Dear Kevin Writgt. Shalom. The Catholic Bible is a falsification of the true Jewish Bible. It contains books that promotes witchcraft. http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/bible-lesson-7-catholic-bible-promotes-witchcraft-holy-bible-exludes-seven-catholic-books/ The books that were banned from the Biblical cannon in 400 A.D, were included by the Pope in 1540 A.D. The cannon closed by the Holy Spirit, was reopened by the man of Lawlessness in the Vatican. The heretic books were included to counter those who displayed the Pope as an antichrist, permitting praying for the dead and the dogmas of salvation by good works. Again: Write short comments. Please tell us why there are skulls on the altars of the Roman Catholic Church. Give us one Bible verse that permits people do do such a wicked act.
A relic is an object, such as a piece of clothing or, more commonly, a piece of bone from a saint’s body, which has spiritual value because it belonged to one of God’s saints. The Bible records many accounts of the value of relics and even episodes of miraculous events connected with them. “People brought to [Jesus] all who were sick and begged him that they might only touch the tassel on his cloak, and as many as touched it were healed” (Mt 14:35-36; cf. Mk 6:56; Lk 8:43-44). It was not uncommon for ordinary objects, like the tassel on the Lord’s cloak, to have miraculous characteristics. Look also at Acts 5:15, where even Peter’s shadow could cause miraculous healings. Regarding the relics of saints, especially martyrs (about whom the Bible says, “Precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of his holy ones” [Ps 116:15]), look at 2 Kings 13:21: Elisha died and was buried. At the time, bands of Moabites used to raid the land each year. Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied such a raiding band. So they cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha and everyone went off. But when the man came in contact with the bones of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to his feet.
Dear Kevin Wright Shalom. I have been through this with Roman Catholic priests and laymen before. The twisting of the Word of God will probably never stop. 1. The Roman Catholic Church claim the Pope can never fail when he canonize saints. This is blasphemy by it self. Because only God can read the hearts. When the Pope canonize “his saints”, he dig skeletons out of the grave, and beautify corpses. There are multiple examples, that Hundred of years after a soul has departed, the Pope examine witnesses, who claim that the departed soul have performed a miracle. The demons must be laughing. Just pray in the name of a departed created being, and a demon will come and entertain your prayers. If a man can not be understood to be a saint when He is alive, and God prove His elect by miracles and signs, His life was basically filled with religious stuff, a walking dead among us. 2. People touched Jesus, and were healed. Jesus was alive. Not dead. 3. The bones of Elisha were not transported out of the grave. His bones were not taken home, washed, and kept on the altar for display, veneration, adoration and worship. The Jews keep their “saints” and forefathers in the tombs. The forefathers were transported to their tombs, and kept there up to this day. The Roman Catholic priests are noting but grave looters. 4. Through the ages, the Roman Catholic church has massacred Evangelical Baptist Christians in their millions. The Whore of Babylon is drunk on the blood of the saints. During the Middle Ages the Pope controlled kings and armies. He had the followers of Jesus beheaded, because they refused to accept not Biblical dogmas and falsehood. The true saints refused to accept the introduction of the “Queen of Heaven” into Christendom. They refused to bow before icons and statues of the pagan Queen,presented as “the mother of Jesus”. Eternal condemnation in Hell is what the Vatican priesthood deserve. And that is what every man on the face of the Earth will get, if they do not repent.
Every believer in the bible are saints. Only in Catholicism does the church say there are “sinners and Saints” (capital S). The RCC also says you are Saint when you are DEAD. In the bible, all believers are living saints. The Catholic Church’s version of a saint, is a person who is super duper holy, grants prayer requests and miracles. The rest of the lay people are just that. Lay people who are told to aspire to be a Saint. This is a fallacy. True believers in Jesus, with all of their faults and imperfections are saints. There is no upper Case Saints. These Saints were created to appease the Greeks who prayed to various gods. The Vatican took that idolatry and are continued it by having a similar system. A saint for cancer, a saint for sports, a saint for losing your keys. This is nothing more than praying to the gods. There is no mediator between God and man. ONLY Jesus. Please adhere to the Gospel and the Word of God. A sinner who trusts Jesus and His finished work on the cross for his or her sins is a saint.
Dear Sue. Shalom. 2 Kings 17:16 They forsook all the commands of the LORD their God and made for themselves two idols cast in the shape of calves, and an Asherah pole. They bowed down to all the starry hosts, and they worshiped Baal. (end of scripture) This satanic religious movement, resurfaced as claimed “Christianity” in Rome around 315 A.D. The day Emperor Constantine claimed He had become a “Christian”, and mixed Jupiter, Peter, Jesus, Venus, Mary, Saturn, Paul, Juno, Zeus, etc…..There was a “starry host or a “saint” for every topic and area, and a “Holy madonna” in every village under the sun.
Look at 2 Kings 13:21: Then Ivar explain to me this particular passage in the old Testament??? Hmmm?? You did not look at this part that I commented last??? Elisha died and was buried. At the time, bands of Moabites used to raid the land each year. Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied such a raiding band. So they cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha and everyone went off. But when the man came in contact with the bones of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to his feet.
Also you quote: Through the ages, the Roman Catholic church has massacred Evangelical Baptist Christians in their millions. The Whore of Babylon is drunk on the blood of the saints. During the Middle Ages the Pope controlled kings and armies. What is your source for this information??? If you are getting this information from a Protestant understanding with subjective truth, I will not accept such non-sense?? Truth is objective not subjective……..show me your source both historical and theological for such ideas? And how is Rome the Whore of Babylon??? Where is that from……….Book of Revelation??? Like you understand better than Scripture Scholars??? The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18 a city set on seven hills. You must have read Dave Hunt’s work, his 1994 book, A Woman Rides the Beast. It might seem, therefore, that Rome is the identity of the city on seven hills. However, this ignores the fact that there are actually many other cities in this world that are also built on seven hills. Listed some here: 1. Jerusalem, comprising of Scopus, Nob, “Mount of Corruption” (or “Mount of Offense”), the original Mount Zion, Ophel Mount, Fort Antonia, the new Mount Zion. 2. Istanbul (known as Constantinople before Turkey renamed it). 3. Amman, capitol of Jordan. Today, however, Amman covers some 19 hills. 4. Mecca, comprising of Jabal abu Siba, Jabal Safa, Jabal Marwah, Jabal abu Milhah, Jabal abu Ma’aya, Jabal abu Hulayah and Jabal abu Ghuzlan 5. Rio de Janeiro in Brazil. 6. Kampala in Uganda, comprising of Mengo, Lubaga, Namirembe, Old Kampala, Kibuli, Nakasero and Makerere. 7. Lisbon in Portugal. 8. Sheffield in England. 9. Edinburgh in England. 10. Nevada City in USA. 11. Cincinatti in USA, comprising Mt. Adams, Mt. Auburn, Walnut Hills, Fairview Heights, Clifton Heights, Vine Street Hill, Price Hill, Fairmount, Mt. Lookout, Mt. Hope, Mt. Echo, and Mt. Storm. I like to hear your matter on the topic???
Yes, every body knows that John Paul II apologized about events of the past. And They have been accepted. However, there is no clear saying about massacred Evangelical Baptist Christians in their millions??? Unless you are thinking about the inquisition which these news cast are not historians and will not work for explanation! The documents of the Spanish Inquisition were made public only in August of 2003. The Vatican opened its records regarding the Inquisition. A few authors discussed their findings and the number is around 3000 who where actually executed. Plus they provided facts to Catholics’ long held suspicions that there were alot of bad spins out on the Church at that time. The Catholic Church clergy spent more of their exonerating the accused. Also, the reaction was both spiritual and political, the Catholic Spaniards wanting a united country after 700 years by Moorish Muslim invasion, dhimmitude, and then non-Catholics receiving the Eucharist. I believe the actual numbers executed were 4 to 6,000….too much….but the temporal powers worked against the Church, and one Holy Father had the situation in Spain misrepresented to him by one cleric. Again, it was issue with temporal powers having the upper hand that the Church had to define itself above temporal powers for God’s sake. Receiving the Eucharist without faith is akin to someone violating the Mercy Seat in the ancient Temple. And we are to defend the Eucharist against blasphemy and sacrilege. The Inquisition and the Crusades are not a question of moral teaching. These were actions that applied to specific situations and a specific time. Even though there was no better alternative than the Inquisition at the time, the Church never said the Inquisition would last forever. That’s why the Church ended it, not because it was immoral but because it was not necessary. Quite frankly, there are historical evidences of prisoners who were executed under the auspices of Kingdoms, Principalities, militaries, etc. who would have preferred the Inquisition because it was more humane. Likewise, there were heretics who were killed by the Inquisition who said they were thankful it was at the hands of the Inquisition and not under governments at the time. The legal system was very different back then, the society was very different. Who is to say that God did not want the Inquisition to happen, and that the Inquisitors were not led by the Holy Spirit? In a society where people died left and right, the life expectancy was 30s-40s like Sub Saharan Africa today. People would have LOVED to live in Prison, get three meals a day, and not have to do back breaking labor for 12-16 hours a day. That would have been a reward, not a punishment. So, the nutshell; look at the Church’s view of the death penalty. Moving from thee, I would conclude that the Church is apologizing for the Inquisition in practice and not in principle. IE: there were abuses. Just like the Church approves of indulgences, but in practice there were often abuses.
Dear Kevin Wright Shalom. You wrote: The Inquisition and the Crusades are not a question of moral teaching. These were actions that applied to specific situations and a specific time. Even though there was no better alternative than the Inquisition at the time, the Church never said the Inquisition would last forever. That’s why the Church ended it, not because it was immoral but because it was not necessary. My reply: The Catholic Church had “no better” alternative than to burn people at stake. The Nazis had “no better alternative” than to put the Jews in gas chambers. To use bullets was considered to expensive. No doubt that Adolf Hitler was a good Roman Catholic, just like Nazis at large. They were baptized by Roman Catholic priests, and even took the “Holy eucharist”. The Pope did not consider it “necessary” to speak up against the Holocaust, because it was “immoral”. The Pope knew that the Holocaust “would not last forever”. Kevin. Your time on this blog is up. Please take your evil and wickedness, and go somewhere else. There must be some good Catholic websites that will welcome you with open arms.
For goodness sake: After following this particular blog, I’ll say something about it! A) The Crusades were a retaliation to centuries of muslim aggresion, they saved Western Europe from Islam spreading. If this not right….then why???? B) The Inquisition did not kill heretics, contrary to popular belief. They were one of the most lenient courts of the time. They were lenient to heretics and tried to bring them back to the pasture of the Lord. If they were unrepentent and refused to acknowlege themselves as wrong, the Inquisition could do no more, they were given over to the secular authorities. Same here, if it is not right……then why???? Quick fact check: Inquisition 1. Only Catholics could be brought to trial by the Inquisition. 2. A person had to be found guilty twice to be executed. 3. The Inquisition was actually run by the civil government of Spain, not the Church. 4. The Inquisition jail was far preferred over the civil jail. Men were known to have comitted blasphemy in order to be transferred to the Inquisition jail. 5. The Inquisition was actually begun by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, although with Rome’s permission, in order to root out Muslims who had “converted” to Catholicism for monetary and social benefits. If they were found still practicing the Muslim faith, they were brought to trial by the Inquisition. 6. Yes, some people were executed, in horrible ways. But to put it in historical context, everyone in those days who was executed was done so horribly. Humane treatment of prisoners was not the order of the day. Crusades 1. In the first 100 years of Islam, the Muslims wiped out all of Catholic North Africa and most of the Middle East, especially around Jerusalem. They spread Islam by the sword! They also pushed their attack into the Middle of Europe and were finally defeated by Charles “The Hammer” Martel and his army. 2. The Muslims continued attacking through the centuries before the Crusades, even attacking Rome. They sacked the Vatican and dug up and burned bodies of some of the Saints there. The Church’s response at that time? Build a big wall around the city. 3. Finally, the Muslims closed off the Holy Land to Catholic pilgrims altogether. This was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The Pope requested a Crusade to free the Holy Land so that the faithful could once again be able to make pilgrimages. In the meantime, to substitute, the Way of the Cross was created. On the way to Jerusalem, they defeated the Muslims who had surrounded then Catholic Constantinople. 4. The Crusades were a very delayed response to centuries of Muslim aggression. 5. The Crusaders only held Jerusalem for about 100 years, before being defeated by the Muslims once again. 6. Subsequent Crusades were less and less effective. The last requested Crusade never even got off the ground. Interest had withered to nothing by the kingdoms requested to send soldiers.
Dear Donald Patterson Shalom. You wrote: 1. Only Catholics could be brought to trial by the Inquisition. 2. A person had to be found guilty twice to be executed. My reply: There is a logic short circuit in your claims. ALL protestants were in principle Roman Catholics. When the exodus from the RCC started, ALL protestants could be rounded up, sent for trial, and executed. Jews in Europe had two choices in Catholic England in 1100 A.D. Convert to the Catholic faith, or leave the country. Many obviously chose to convert. Who wants to leave their house and properties, and go nowhere? If the converted Jews, later, were found to practice the same Judaism as Jesus practiced, they were branded as Heretic Catholics. They were “Judaizers”. Found “guilty” twice, they were executed. They were beheaded or burnt at stake. How lovely. The true love of God, I presume. In the Roman Catholic Portuguese colony of Goa in India, “the Judaizers” were strangled before their bodies were burnt at stake. The Inquisition tribunal in the Rome of the East, arrested 16.000 people, and put them for trial. That is twice the number of people slaughtered in the massacre of Sebreniza in Bosnia. Link to the Roman Catholic genocide in Goa: http://oldgoa.wordpress.com/
I’m not going believe some of the sources you used like wikipedia which is very unreliable and the sources can be changed by anybody who is member of the site! But I know the Goa case which began in 1560 of the Spanish inquistion! In a Nutshell that should mean nothing to Hindus who most pretended to be Catholic, but secretly were practicing or mixing Christian and hindu religious practice. Plus, like the Spanish inquisition, it was run by the government, not the Church.
Dear Donald Patterson Shalom. You wrote: But I know the Goa case which began in 1560 of the Spanish inquistion! In a Nutshell that should mean nothing to Hindus who most pretended to be Catholic, but secretly were practicing or mixing Christian and hindu religious practice. My comment: What a horrible statement. “Hindus that pretended to be Catholic”. What kind of insane man are you? The Portuguese did not live in Goa. They were criminals who attacked Goa, and robbed the land from the native people who lived there. The Roman Catholic invaders were thief’s and robbers. Do you get me? Hindu Temples were destroyed by the Jesuits. Do you understand this? Hindus were forced to convert to the Catholic faith. Many goans were converted at gun point. With their temples destroyed, and their properties stolen, what do you expect? In Goa, The Catholics found Jews living in their thousands. They lived in peace and prosperity. The First Jewish colonies in India were built in 300-200 BC. When the Roman Catholic priesthood of Satan arrived, the synagogues in Goa were captured, and made into “Catholic shrines”. “Judaizers” were burnt at stake. The Portuguese Roman Catholics have blood on their hands. I do not want the falsehood you write on this site. Kindly leave.
Please stop the train so I can get off. The RCC used civil power to achieve their goals while still keeping their hands clean. I am shocked anyone can defend 600 years of MURDER. Yes, they killed heretics, especially the Anabaptist’s. Read the story Of Michael Stlattery, his tongue pulled out and his flesh torn away with burning tongs before putting a sack of gunpowder around his neck and thrown into the fire. They also drowned his wife. Slattery was an ex-priest who became born again and help start the Anabaptist movement of believers. Anyone who can defend the Inquisition as good is in complete denial. How many apostles said to “convert or die?” NONE. It is antagonistic to the gospel. Yet you defend it. Sickening.
Sue you are not historian and I am with a Degree in Medieval History which qualifies me!! But did you know that the Inquisition was the very first judicial body in which every accused person had a right to be represented by counsel before he was questioned? And if the accused didn’t have one, one was provided for him? That was not the case even in the U.S. until the “Miranda” case in 1966. Also, the accused was asked to write down a list of all his enemies. If his accusers were on that list, the case against him was nearly always thrown out. Another small thing. After the reconquest of Spain from the Muslims, in the 1500s some Muslims either converted or pretended to convert for personal gain or other reasons. But they were considered threats to the state if their conversion was insincere. Muslim armies were only a few miles away. Therefore if a former Muslim who converted was accused of secretly remaining a Muslim, he was considered a potential “spy” or “turncoat”, and the purpose of the Inquisition was to determine whether the accusations were true or not. If a man said he was a Muslim and never claimed to convert, he wasn’t subject to the Inquisition. Jews were in a similar position because they were very much in the employ of the Muslim powers prior to the reconquest. So, if a person was a Jew and never converted, he was left alone. If he converted and still practiced Judaism secretly, he was considered a potential spy or agent of Islamic powers. We can look back on it and think it was perhaps silly, but we don’t think the assassinations of the “secret jihadist” Maj. Hasan, who pretended loyalty to the U.S. military, were at all silly. Also you all forget State and Religion were one entity before the French Revolution 1798 or the USA revoluntion 1776 separating Church and State. If one was heretic you not only an enemy of Church, but an enemy of the State!
So which Jesuit college did you earn your degree? Should I be impressed or something? Universities indoctrinate their students. Everyone knows that. Why do you think education is such a big Catholic thing??? Because they helped form the university system where mass-brainwashing can occur to support the “holy father.” There is more to history than the catholic view…
Donald, You said: Also you all forget State and Religion were one entity before the French Revolution 1798 or the USA revoluntion 1776 separating Church and State. If one was heretic you not only an enemy of Church, but an enemy of the State! My reply: the RCC would love nothing more than to make this a reality again with their numerous concordats and their quest for world government and a world bank. Do the research.
Do you have any idea what a Concordat is???? If you do then explain it? I know what it is but I like to hear your explanation! Oh, did you know the bank system of Europe was invented by a Catholic in Italy…..the Medici Banking system which we still use today! Even the use of checks and transactions! Interesting!
Dear Donald Patterson Shalom. You wrote: Do you have any idea what a Concordat is???? My reply: Some people who elevate them selves, have a quite arrogant attitude towards others. Sue is not a novice, but educated as a Roman Catholic “disciple” of the Pope. Hitler’s Pope signed a deal with Nazi-Germany. “A Concordat”. The Roman Catholic Church got the right to hold their masses and run educational institutions, as long as the Vatican approved priesthood did not raise their voices against the new rulers in Germany. Why should they. Hitler was as good a Roman Catholic, as other German Catholics. The best way to explain this word, is a “peace treaty”. Another is: “Let us build Nazi Germany together”. Hitler was by all means a proper Roman Catholic. He was baptized as an infant in a Church in Austria, born into a proper Roman Catholic family. Hitler attended masses, and accepted ‘Jesus of Rome” by eating the “Holy Eucharist”. He confirmed his Roman Catholic faith. Obviously, the Nazi-leader wished to sign a written agreement with his “Holy Father”. In regards to banking, the banking system was invented by the Jewish people. The Jews were invited to take their first fruits, and store them. Grain, wheat and vegetable were redistributed to people who had need. Coins were minted to give credit to contributors. Coins replaced the original barter trade system. Jesus spoke about what to do with such coins. It they had the image of the Roman Emperor in Pagan Rome on it, the Jews were called to give it back to the Worldly paganized ruler. Judas, the first “bank director”, stole money from the money bag. The money was collected, kept in his “bank”, to be used to pay for their consumption of various goods, that were not gifted to them.
Dear Ivar, Shalom. It’s important to point out that in many countries, Catholic baptism was also a registry. If people were not baptized they did not count as citizens and were forced to leave the country. Naturally people just “did it” like getting a social security card or insurance papers. How sad and pathetic is that? Men like Michael Slattery and Wycliffe spoke out against this false baptism and the necessity to believe in Jesus. Of course, this excludes infants who do not have this understanding. For this, Michael was murdered. Remember the eunuch and Phillip walking along the road? Acts 8:26-40 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I ask you, of whom is the prophet speaking? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached to him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came to some water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what keeps me from being baptized? And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stop: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and Philip baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, and the eunuch saw him no more: but he went on his way rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea. (end of scripture) The Vatican needed these baby baptisms, because it also meant more taxes for them. If you could not pay the taxes to the church they took livestock and land. This is the truth. And so it goes through the years, millions baptized NON BELIEVERS, thinking they are saved because they were baptized babies when they were never born again. What a sad story indeed.
Dear Sue. Shalom. As a baptist, I have no objections to your last comment. I believe people must confess faith in Jesus, before they are baptized. In regards to baptism, I fully understand that Baptism do not save anyone. Faith in Jesus alone, is the key to salvation. The thief of the cross was not baptized. He repented, and asked Jesus to remember him. There is not a single positive confirmation in the Bible, that infants were baptized. Even Evangelical Lutheran Christians are practicing Baptists out on the mission fields. I have never seen any Christian, trying to preach the gospel to infants in Asia and Latin America. They preach to adults, and they do not baptize them before they see fruits of repentance. Who will baptize a pagan? The Apostles did not. It is a mystery to me, how Evangelical Lutherans turn “Lutheran Catholics” when they get their own children. Denying them the same Biblical baptism, they practiced on the mission fields. I keep on warning the Lutheran camp, that the majority of them will eventually return home to Rome, and support the “Church of the antichrist”.
Dear Ivar, I agree with you. Being in the Evangelical Free church, their beliefs are the same. First believe, then baptism. Great point about the missionaries and the Lutherans. Baptism is a beautiful symbol and commitment. Dying with Him and rising to new life. I was baptized as an infant. What a joy to be baptized as an adult.
Baptism is symbolic of the spiritual resurrection that all believers experience when they are born again. Dying to sin, raised to walk in newness of life. That is a resurrection. A beautiful thing, truly.
Ahem, “Do not judge or you shall be judged,” If you never heard that simple quote from jesus and fully understood it then please leave jesus/yeshua out of this. As for the anti christ and satan. don’t you worry about that, we’ve got it covered, I’m sure they would be so clever as to appear in your most obvious targeted faith, as they are gods biggest rivals and arch enemies and all, so what better a place to show up then the obvious. That would make it so much easier and simple don’t you think? Now all we have to do is convince every one else.
of course once we have convinced every one else then satan and the antichrist can’t go there so where would they show up then? I mean if there was only one faith and every one believed in it then where would they go then? I mean surely they have to come but if we’re all saved maybe they’ll just say ‘ fuck it’ and repent for their sins so they can go up to heaven with the rest of us.
Hundreds of skulls have been put up around this alter with a crucifix. This place is a Vatican approved chapel.
This Roman Catholic chapel is full of bones and skulls.
The present Pope only adore one skeleton at the time. This picture was taken during the Pontiffs visit to the Church which has kept the bones of St. Augustine for“veneration”.
The Pope pray in front of a box full of a dead mans bones.
But in the Skull Chapel in Czermana in Poland, the Pontiff get a chance to adore 3.000 “Holy skulls” inside this Church property. Hundreds of them has been put up for display around the alter, where a Roman Catholic Crucifix also has been put up for veneration. The Papist priests in this city were surely solid bone collectors. Since the visual walls of the chapel could not contain all the skulls and bones they had collected, remains of another 21.000 people have been hidden in the cellar of the chapel. That is the almost mind blowing number of 24.000 headless people stored up in one “holy place”.
This Catholic chapel in Poland holds a cruel and evil secret of thousands of skulls and bones.
Who are all these people, hanging around this crucifix. The Catholic Church claim they died of cholera, epidemics and hunger. The diseased bodies are remains from the Thirty Years war from 1618 to 1648. But the chapel was built in 1776 by the local parish priest Wacław Tomaszek. The official explanation behind this chapel, is more than bizarre: A Roman Catholic priest that used most of his life to collect bones from mass graves.
For a dozen years, the priest collected them, disinfected and stored. In 1804, the skull of the priest was also placed in the altar.
If you think this is a joke, please read from the website of the Government of Poland. For people who have read European history, it might be striking that the grave yards that were opened in Poland, held the remains of people who died during the wars of the Reformation. In hundreds of thousands Christians who refused to call the Pope “Holy Father” were slaughtered by Papal sent butchers.
Skulls of 21.000 Christian protestant martyrs slaughtered by Rome might be hidden in this cellar.
This is a more likely explanation behind this extraordinary collection of skull and bones: The blood of these Christians martyrs in Poland are gone, and their souls are with Father God and His Son in Heaven. They lost their life when Papal butchers chopped their head off. These cruel men even denied these followers of Jesus a grave. Why else, would anyone collect so many skulls and skeleton, put them up for display next to the Roman Catholic copy of the Messiah? What is this crucifix all about. but a piece of stone or wood that can neither speak, nor will survive the flames that shall burn all falsehood on the Face of the Earth. Unfortunately, for a billion Catholics or more, they have shared in the sins of this lawless and evil Church. The final judgment for the city of Rome is mentioned in the book of revelation: Revelation 18:17-22 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’ “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘ Was there ever a city like this great city?’ They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: ” ‘Woe! Woe, O great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin! Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.’ Written by Ivar
I agree with your interpretation christian martyrs in heaven. There could be no other explanation for the sick and twisted persons who collect such things. Matthew 16:24-25 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. The above bible verse says it all, and I am convinced that all who died believing in Christ, accepting are in heaven.
Dear Gloria. Shalom. The child strangled and kept hanging in a chain, will hopefully become the very evidence of their perverted priests, that will make Roman Catholics flee Rome to save their lives. The other skulls that have been made clean by papists, so they could be adored by people who like to venerate such items, is another issue. The insanity of people who have been looking at this gruesome site, and done nothing to stop this, is the shocking part. That priests, Bishops and Cardinals have been visiting this site over the centuries and kept quiet, is an act of barbarism in the name of “Jesus”.
I just found this web page by coincidence, but I think that most of the things is just product of extremism, fundamentalism and doesn’t bring anything good to the people’s soul. Jesus first word was LOVE and what I read here is just hate! People what happened to you? there are so many people dying of hunger. We are damaging and destroying our environment, our unique house…our planet. If Good and Jesus’s principal words was love and compassion for the one who are needed: the poor, the starving… what are you doing wasting your time and energies writing all of these? there are so many things to do in this world!! Many innocent people dying for reasons that doesn’t make sense at this time of our era!! People WAKE UP and do things for HELP people and teach love to each other instead of intolerance, hate and extremism. Church is just a place is not Good is not Jesus. Good and Jesus are everywhere in those poor abused animals without any reason and in those kids and old people waiting for love, help and respect. Please lets love, help and respect everyone.
Dear An Shalom. You wrote: I just found this web page by coincidence, but I think that most of the things is just product of extremism, fundamentalism and doesn’t bring anything good to the people’s soul. My comment: You are commenting on an article that expose 24.000 skulls and skeletons inside a Roman Catholic chapel. Please explain to me why exposing this is an act of extremism. Should you not put your fingers towards those criminals who did this, and not target the messenger? Jesus is surely love. The is the truth. The truth is sometimes very painful. People who need to repent, must stop what they are doing. And stop to support pure evil.
The Bible teaches that if something is not true, then it is not Jesus’ love (1 Corinthians 13:6). So An, with all due respect, you aren’t speaking of Jesus’ love when you use the word love. Because Jesus’ love must include truth. And the truth is that catholicism is false and leads people to hell with its false gospel of works.
Ah, Guys that is the country Poland which is 89% Roman Catholic!!! And the Fact that in Europe, burial in the churches during the early Midieval Period was very common and especially still for Royal Families. But mass burials or placing bodies in Churchs changed during the Napoleonic era due to public health concerns. There is a famous poem by Ugo Foscolo title “The sepulchers” that was written in regard to the event. I think that at that point the Church just adapted for uniformity. By the way, the first King of Italy was buried in the church of St. Mary and the Martyrs (a.k.a. Pantheon) in Rome well after the Napoleonic laws were gone and that is consistent with the canon of 1917. They do this out TRADITION…..which you Protestant don’t have or understand………by the way….did you Jesus did follow Jews customs and Traditions!!!! Think about it…..plus those people in that Church buried in the 1600s are dead due to War in a Period different than today…..What you guys complaining about????
I don’t go to church any more, I don’t feel welcome. I got into trouble with the vicar for praying (silently at the end of the service in the place dedicated for intervention) for the other victims of the secret family court and Pindown. The vicar didnt like it because other people wanted to know why I did this every Sunday and when I told them they wanted to join me. I am one of the Pindown child abuse survivors. The church – Catholic and Protestant – has covered up institutional child abuse and persecuted the victime. They are still persecuting the victims to this day. I hope Jesus comes back soon as I feel so tired now.
Bravo God. We are so confident of everything. There is only one God and it is not you. Jesus want to the cross just for all of that he asks us only one commandment and from this one command everything follows. love each other I do not see love in any of your comments God send the holy spirit to us and that the only person who can convict us we all have short comings and if you think your brother is in the wrong path you pray for him. Who are you you do not have power to chande somebody. Remember we all depend of the Lord . When we will be before him there will be a lot of surprises. have a closer relationship with the lord and he will give youu revelations . He is in control. We do not have too much time for those non sense. Iam in peace because my focus is on god and he is my provider. Pray pray that God can intervene. He is the creator, he is the one who knows what is best. Your job is to pray. Everyone think they are right. .only God is right. making fun of the pope does not have any blessing for you. God is what is he and nothing can change this fact. You need to grow in the holy spirit put your knee down be in the presence of God and ask the Holy Spirit advice before opening your mouth and lost your blessings. I hope that the day will come that all the diversity will stop and we will be able to love each other. God dies for all of us I pray that I can bring God love to every person in my path may the peace of God be with you I am not God and you are not let we follow the example of the one who is
Minister Terri God is our (His true children) judge, not the ones that say they are and don’t prove it, by their lifestyle, conduct, speech etc.. God is judge. Ignorance is bliss. Refer to the Word of God in 1 Corinthians 6, about what we are allowed to judge here and now. As for this story, let God judge. Thank you Mireille for your input. You are correct. Glory to God!!
Love is a human emotion and it isn’t unique to Christians. Sinners love each other and show compassion. When Jesus said to love one another He stated, Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. “…as I have loved you.” Jesus didn’t mince words. He told people the truth and also let them know where they would end up if they didn’t obey the truth, the lake of fire. His words are what is going to judge people. Many times when people don’t like those words they will use phases like, “Oh, you are preaching hate.” or “Why do you hate Catholics.” This is nothing but the devil talking or a lost, confused soul trying to silence the truth. The Bible is the truth. Jesus, whose name is the Word of God, is the truth, not the pope or Muhammad or Buddha. I see a lot of people come here and bring accusations that this site is full of hate or preaching hate against this or that but these are the same people that are probably the ones that cling to the verses about love and reject the verses about judgment and justice and hating evil. God is not a one dimensional God. He said His throne is prepared for judgment. His judgments, that are clearly laid out in the Bible, will be upon every soul that does evil or loves or makes a lie. The way you show Christian love to someone is by telling them what the Bible says, no matter how painful or offensive it is to them. If it exposes something they believe in as error or harmful to their soul and they reject it then the onus is on them. You have delivered your own soul and their blood is on their own hands. So, I hope this will uplift and encourage Ivar, Gloria, etc. to keep exposing the works of darkness, something many people are shying away from in order to have an ecumenical unity of errors and confusion.
On of the biggest spiritual tragedies of mankind, is Roman Catholics worshiping corpses and skulls.
A Roman Catholic priest bow and pray in front of a corpse, and bring a curse down on his own head.
One of the claimed to be Madonnas who are shifted around from “Church” to “church”, is Maria Bernadette. “She” is sleeping, or rather a wax doll representing her is seen sleeping. Is is rather bizarre that a Roman Catholic priest can bow his head before a corpse, and pray to the remains of a created being. To do the same in front of a doll, is nothing but a shameful copy of the Muppet Show. The Bible explains, that man shall not bow before created beings, neither formed as a male nor female. This is an abomination in front of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Deuteronomy 4:15-20
Idolatry Forbidden
You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars —all the heavenly array —do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
Why can people not read this and obey? When you find your self in the eternal prison of Hell, you can not blame your priest for deceiving you. You were simply not willing to find out for your self, and be saved by leaving this horrible idolatry behind. The Roman Catholic priesthood provokes God to anger. When pesticide, sickness and untimely death strike this kind of God mockers, they curse God rather than being willing to repent. Many of them have been told the truth, but they close to live like hypocrites in total denial.
The remains of a dead nun is presented as “holy” and worthy of adoration and veneration.
It is not shocking, but rather sad. The Bible explains to us that large parts of mankind of the seed of Satan, whom they have made “Lord” of their life. There are many examples of this worship of wood and stone. Her is yet another. One of the sleeping wooden statues, is found in The Sacro Monte of Varallo in Italy.
This Roman Catholic idol is made of wood. But the dressed up face of plastic is presented for worship and adoration.
This is written on the site:
THE BASILICA OF THE ASSUMPTION the wooden statue of the sleeping Madonna, one of the oldest of Sacro Monte, and attributed to Gaudenzio Ferrari, and which today is preserved in the crypt, was brought from the church.
Source: sacromontevarallo.eu Why form a wooden plank to look like a doll, and dress “her” up like a princess for “Church” worship? Only Satan takes pleasure in such abomination, blasphemy and wickedness. Written by Ivar
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I suppose by your argument, then, the flora and fauna around you aren’t God’s creation. After six days God just sat down, turned on the boob tube and let his “creation” do it’s own thing…
I guess, then, this scripture is meaningless: Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
And actually, you’re incorrect. It’s not after six days He rested, it’s “so on the seventh day He rested from all His work”. You make no reference to what He does on the 8th day or the 9th and so on….continuing His work….
What I meant to say is that we are not a direct creation of God such as Adam or Jesus was. My comment was In response to this…”pray to the remains of a created being”. In the scripture you cited it says God “knew” us and “set us apart” how do you extrapolate creation from that?
….What I meant to say is that we are not a direct creation of God such as Adam or Jesus was…..What the Sam Hill do you think we are a direct creation of >? The Jolly Green Giant?
How can Catholics say that this is not idolatry! It reminds me of every picture of a pagan temple that I have ever seen. The idol would be the center of the temple and it would be flanked by some source of illumination or even lit from above by skylights. The ancient pagans would have totally approved of the way that this idol is “venerated”.. If there is no intent to worship, why the elaborate presentation?
You really have no idea what you are blogging about. I would have thought you would actually do some research to find out what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about the Communion of Saints (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p5.htm) This is more about your small minded opinion and much much less about the the truth and what you found in your research. I feel terrible for you and anyone who actually reads this and believes your anti-catholic rhetoric.
Saint Denis walked 10 kilometer with his cut off head in his hands. The Vatican canonized this walking zombie, but questioned the length of his walk.
A statue of the walking headless “saint” Denis, in the crypt of the Roman Catholic Basilica of Denis in Paris.
Saint Denis (also called Dionysius, Dennis, or Denys) is a Christian martyr and saint. In the third century, he was Bishop of Paris. He was martyred in connection with the Decian persecution of Christians, shortly after A.D. 250. After his head was chopped off, Denis is said to have picked it up and walked ten kilometres (six miles), preaching a sermon the entire way, making him one of many cephalophores in hagiology. He is venerated in the Roman Catholic Church as patron saint of Paris. Source: Wikipedia. Some Roman Catholics do not like my use of wikipedia as source of information. So let us also quote from the Vatican approved and sponsored Catholic Encyclopedia
Saint Denis:
Bishop of Paris, and martyr. Born in Italy, nothing is definitely known of the time or place, or of his early life. His feast is kept on 9 October. He is usually represented with his head in his hands because, according to the legend, after his execution the corpse rose again and carried the head for some distance.
Source: Catholic Encyclopedia Lets take a look at some paintings and drawings of this “saint”.
You can not stop thinking of occultism, when you see such religious inspired paintings.
There is nothing in the Bible about such events. This is the very limit of religious fraud.
A Roman Catholic image of the “Holy Catholic Bishop Denis” of Paris.
This is how a religious painter have imagined what “saint Denis” might have looked like during his walk.
The Bishop of Paris out for a long walk, after his claimed martyrdom.
The site where he stopped preaching and actually died was marked by a small shrine that developed into the Saint Denis Basilica, which became the burial place for the kings of France.
Saint-Denis Basilique in Paris in France.
The feast of Saint Denis was added to the Roman Calendar in the year 1568 by Pope Pius V, though it had been celebrated since at least the year 800. St Denis’ feast day is celebrated on October 9. My comment: To rise from the dead just got a wider meaning. Jesus rose from the dead, but kept his head on. It is fully understandable that some of the Roman Catholic stuff is more than a hard sell. Especially during this weeks of the Olympic games. We are used to see men able to run over a distance of 100 , 200 or even 1.500 meters. All with their heads on their shoulders. But what a about a Bishop who walked with his head under his arm for about 10 kilometers?
This sculpture of “Saint Denis” is located on the wall of Notre Dame in Paris.
It is also fully understandable that the Vatican has been unable to measure this walk. In the Catholic encyclopedia is is written that the Pope’s “saint” walked “for some distance”. But the Vatican priesthood were able to set up a church at the site where this remarkable walk ended, and brand the man as a “holy saint”.
We know for sure that when we cut the head of a hen, she might be able to walk a few meters. But no sounds will come from the cut of head during these few seconds. We sometimes use the phrase a“headless chicken”. And after seeing these images, no one can ever again be able to misunderstand.
Forget about walking 10 kilometers: But what about a man who is able to pick up his head, and even walk for 100 meters?
Matthew 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
The tragedy of such morbid religious stuff, is that even Evangelical Christians have started to present the Roman Catholic religion as a part of the Christian family.
When claimed to be “Christians” mock God, non-believers take a stand against Jesus. They find a lot of the religious stuff rather distasteful and some of it the very nadir of insanity. Secular people are very often right in their use of their senses.
During the French revolution, the bones of the “saints” found in the crypt in the Basilica of Denis were dumped in a sump near by. Many of the Catholic Bishops and priests of those days were beheaded. Non of them, not even one, were able to pick up his own head.
Plenty of the Roman Catholic clergy had looted the people of France, and brought curses down on many by their occult and damnable religion.
Many of those who beheaded the Roman Catholic clergy later lost their own head.
Jesus explains that whose who use swords shall fall by the sword.
Matthew 26:52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
I regret the merciless violence that took place during the French revolution. Jesus do not permit violent acts against false teachers, like Roman Catholic bishops and priests. Let God of the Bible handle them in His ways.
Jesus warned us that there would be a great falling away just before His return as the Lion of Judah. Even in the council of pastors, there are those who accept the Pope as a Christian leader.
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Satan will have a ”Hay-Day” with Saint and Sinner as he brings the “miracles” and ”signs and wonders” in the sky … it is easy to see that one must be very ‘attentive to God’s Holy Word’ less they too fall for these damnable heresies and blasphemies while people of the faith as well as non-faith, will believe and flock to each one. No wonder Our Lord warns us about His Day…The Day of The Lord is not something that we should shout and be eager for..for so many will follow Satan and his minions to the Gates of Hell…as they call it ”Of God”……God help us….God help us…
Amen Andrea. That’s why Jesus told us in Rev. 3:11-12, “‘I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” This is the final message to the Church in these last days and the struggle to “hold fast” is getting harder and harder even for true Christians, as the Lord seems to be waiting for the last and final moment before coming for His Bride. “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man” (Luke 21:36).
Andrea and JM, Why can’t we look at things like this and realize that satan is horrendously lying, and trying to pull a fast one over on us? Why not read the ‘Word’ and ask yourself, “is this something the Lord would do”? This ‘incident’ looks and sounds ‘demonic’, God help those in the Catholic Church, and other ‘systems that will follow.
As a young impressionable catholic girl, these stories are told by others in authority and you listen in awe. My entire catholic community ‘bought’ the story and so for those like me who wouldn’t even think to question authority, we soak it up as truth or inspiring stories! Not until I went out on my own for many years (unshielded by RCC, as before), and beyond the ripe old age of 40 and was slowly losing faith in God…that when I accepted Jesus as my Lord & Savior, that my blindness was healed and only then I began to ‘see’ the lies in such ridiculous stories and the deception in placing any kind of faith or hope in such tales. There is only HOPE in Jesus!
You said..Why can’t we look at things like this and realize that satan is horrendously lying, and trying to pull a fast one over on us? …. Satan is not trying to pull a fast one on us…or on anyone else… Satan is doing his job!…. God told us what Satan would do and by God’s grace we see thru /the Word what Satan planned to do…and is doing… Only those who really want to do what The Lord tells them to do will do it…all others will “excuses” on what he (Satan) has or is doing and blame it all on everyone else…Jesus made it very clear…’they don’t come to HIM because they love their sins more than HIM….that is why the ‘laws are passed so people can particiapte in all the sins and trash they want ….and force it in God’s face and all who are called of God…that they will do what they want to do and you can’t do a blame thing about it..well …they’ll wake up in the Face of God to find out their little ways of life that is so acceptable by so many will be in Hell with them….then they will see who is God and what HE does to those who think they can do as they please! …So NO I won’t “Look at the things like they are a horrendously trick from Satan…they are the works of Satan and the joys of those who follow him
Where in the Word do you get the notion that these practices are ungodly? You do not need a direct commandment in the Bible to be able to discern holy from unholy. There is no mention of SOla Scrptura in the Bible. The Holy Ghost was sent to the Church to guide Her into all truth. That Church has not erred, the Orthodox Church which shares some practives with the Catholic. The Catholic broke away and fell into error but still is closer to the truth than any Protestant group I know of.
Kyle If you want to follow the Catholic Religion…Follow it….it’s that simple! It’s your choice to continue to be deceived. You ask where in the Word do I get a notion that these practices are ungodly? I guess you are referring to the Catholic Shenanigans… Start in Genesis 1:1 by the time you get to Revelation 22:21 you will get your answers ”and” it will tell you ”all the crazy stuff the Catholic Church and all the other Cults that prostitute their-selves & time to get you pulled away from The Lord Jesus Christ..Read it…if you are really interested!
Dear Ivar, Thanks for this article. Sadly, this just shows once again how the Roman Catholic church is intent on perpetuating deception, lies, and error in order to mislead as many as they can away from true Bible based Christianity. This is pure blasphemy — occult based traditions of men that the RCC is so fond of. It’s amazing that more Catholics don’t run out in mass after hearing these ridiculous, macabre stories. It’s funny that there is no text of the so-called “sermon” that was preached by the headless “saint” — I would imagine that the words wouldn’t matter much when the visual was so horrifying — a blood soaked body holding a talking head — “Nightmare on Elm Street” Part II! Seeing this sight would serve just the opposite of bringing anyone to faith in Christ, which is what the real goal of the RCC is. When the cunning serpent satan succeeds in taking devotion AWAY FROM JESUS CHRIST through the worship of “mary”, “saints”, bones, skulls, ect., they have once again violated the second commandment which forbids idolatry, (which the Roman Catholic church took upon itself to delete) so they can continue spreading these horrible lies that are sadly, leading many to a fiery hell.
Now here is a problem with your article being against a Saint of the Catholic Church is all these “legends” or “traditions”??? Why??? As the article you quote….”according to the legend, after his (St. Denis’) execution the corpse rose again and carried the head for some distance. Now why is that a problem??? Are you saying that it is impossible for a person to die and rise again??? You think its an act of the Devil and not God??? How do you know??? You don’t nor do I, but this is a legend anf tradition that has been going on now what over 18 hundred years!! Plus the fact you beleive Catholics worship saints, but they don’t! They Venerate….very different than Worship! You guys often argue against the Catholic practice of venerating the saints because they say the Bible refers to saints as being believers that are still alive here on Earth. Of course, such an argument does little more than to show that Catholics use the term in a different sense now. Saints, in popular usage, refer to those who have died and are in heaven with God, or more specifically, Christians who have been canonized by the Church, or who are officially recognized as “saints” by the Church. Certainly, it is correct to call all Christians “saints” (this is, after all, Biblical), but there is nothing wrong with using the word to refer to those who have died in the state of grace and are now in heaven. They are, after all, saints. What I like about many of the Saints is many were great sinners as us. But God turned their life around so much. It goes to show us how we are all called to be Saints. And it seems the ones who were the worst before their conversion, became the best Saints and its makes it easier for us as sinners to relate to them better.
“Now why is that a problem??? Are you saying that it is impossible for a person to die and rise again??? You think its an act of the Devil and not God??? ” Um, yes! But more likely he was beheaded while standing and the corpse managed a few standing steps while pumping out the remaining blood in nervous spasms ( like the chicken). If he(it) were to reach down and retrieve the head he(it) could never get erect because the whole function (as God made us) of balance is the middle ear. And then preaching a sermon? What provided air movement through the vocal cords(oops they were cut with the blade)? Would God have done some sort of miracle? I see no evidence in the Bible of God using such morbidity to advance the gospel.
Dear Tom. Shalom There is a lot of acts of the devil in the Roman Catholic church, still possible for God to do the same. One act of the devil is many Catholic Bishops and priests raping altar boys. It is obviously possible for God to do the same. One act of the devil, is Catholic popes, cardinals, bishops and priests to launch inquisitions and imprison and torture people who refused to accept the Papacy and bow down before the ‘Queen of Heaven”. It is possible for God to do the same. But still we must question and discern who was behind all this. If you are willing to accept this kind of activities to be noble and from “god”, the spirit within you will obviously not have a problem with the adoration of skulls, corpses and bones. Neither the claim that the Bishop of Paris picked up his own head, and walked for six miles. Jesus the Messiah was quite blunt. The hypocrites do not practice what they preach. The Roman Catholic priesthood is the very limit. They do not preach what they practice. Because what they do in darkness is so devilish, that if millions of Catholics knew, and were not in extreme bondage, they would have fled for their life. We must give thanks to blog’ers and users of social media for exposing the evil deeds of darkness in our days. During the Reformation, we saw a huge exodus of people from the Roman Catholic Church. It was a massive move by God of the Bible.
“What I like about many of the Saints is many were great sinners as us. But God turned their life around so much. It goes to show us how we are all called to be Saints. And it seems the ones who were the worst before their conversion, became the best Saints and its makes it easier for us as sinners to relate to them better.” Then you should relate greatly to me, a great “sinner” before I came to Christ for redemption, now a Biblical saint, and therefore follow me, but don’t bow to me, and leave the workings of the evil one and devote yourself to the Holy One, Jesus and none other.
Tom, Venerate, talk to, chat with, pray to…etc. Venerate means ‘to regard or treat with reverence’. If one makes a sincere vow in his heart to Worship only God, he will find it distasteful to revere anything or anyone other than God. If one’s heart is divided, then we talk to dead people, revere statues, and listen to what men for 1800 years proclaim. If a man, claims something for 1 year or 1800 years, it does not make it true. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6 NIV). Jesus did NOT say to go thru any-one to get to Him. Peace, Kay
To Kay I understand that verse but also what 1 Timothy 1:4 states “First of all, then, I (St. Paul) ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity.This is good and pleasing to God our savior.” If you read this instruction given to us by Jesus to St. Paul to the People, in full context, He actually instructs us to intercede for one another, saying that it is, “pleasing to God” Then Jesus goes on to explain the difference between “mediator” (small “m”) and intercessor and the Mediator (capital “M”), Jesus. Jesus is the only judge and “Mediator”. The full context of the Passage First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth. For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as ransom for all. This was the testimony at the proper time. (1Timothy2 1-6 (NAB). Finally, we can and are instructed to pray for one other and ask others to pray for us, or intercede for us. That is to say; from us; to our intercessor; to Jesus, the Mediator; to God. Catholics also know that they can and they do pray directly to God. To everyone else…. Many you so-called Christian religions today, are nice, neat, and easy….and easy in a sense to be perfect for your own taste. The problem with that is, if one reads the Bible in the literal sense, one verse at a time, as many do, they come away with many false conclusions, including the conclusion that there exists conflict in the Bible. This approach to ones faith has a tendency to cause many bad personal interpretations. At this point, the person becomes a “religion of one”. If, in addition to preaching false ‘Christian” doctrine the person says, something to the effect “I was moved by the Holy Spirit” and their interpretations are incorrect, that person is, by definition, a “False Prophet” In the ‘Old Days’ they would call this behavior, “Heresy” We as Catholics know that there is no conflict in the Bible. We know this because we learn Scripture in the context of other books and verses and we learn Bible verses in the context of human and Christian history. We (RCC) are not a church of “sound-bites” History and context is important because it creates perspective. What people believe today is based on what people believed in, yesterday. There is some truth to the expression “There exists nothing new under the sun”. A person for instance, doesn’t just wake-up one day and say, “I don’t believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary”. Although these may be his words today, they belonged to someone else, yesterday, and this action or prospective is caused by “context”. “Context” can be good or bad; it all depends on whether or not it takes you to right or correct conclusion. The better the context, the better the conclusion.
Dear Tom. Shalom You wrote: Many you so-called Christian religions today, are nice, neat, and easy….and easy in a sense to be perfect for your own taste. The problem with that is, if one reads the Bible in the literal sense, one verse at a time, as many do, they come away with many false conclusions, including the conclusion that there exists conflict in the Bible. This approach to ones faith has a tendency to cause many bad personal interpretations. My reply: In millions, Roman Catholics were told not to read the Bible. They were simply not able to understand what they read, they were told by men like Tom. To gain, achieve or understand the true faith, you basically have to attend a Roman Catholic seminary, and study hard for seven years. And you need to submit to Papal dogmas, and not question the authority of the Pope. Jesus says the radical opposite. We all need to become like children, to be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Children often knows little but ABC. And that 2+2 is 4. The Bible is easy to understand, for all who who is willing to accept what is written. And helped by the light of the Holy Spirit, we are enabled to imply the Word of God in our daily life. You live in lies and falsehood, dear Tom. You need to come clear on who you are, and where you will have to spend eternity. Because if you do not repent, you will perish. I loved you enough to tell you the truth.
Tom, In response to your 1 Timothy posts: We ask fellow Christians to pray. We do not pray to dead people. There is nothing in those verses about praying to dead people. Kay
Question…..Who makes ‘a person a Saint’ ????? The Catholic Church…The Pope….Jesus Christ?? If Jesus Christ makes people a ‘Saint’…they are a Saint unto God.. If the Pope (Catholic Church) makes people a ‘Saint’…hahahahaha that makes them a ‘saint unto Satan’ and lifting themselves up (trying to) above God…!!! FACT
Saint is another word for Godly, or a believer. Because either you are or you aren’t Christs and if you are then all are equal. But the Catholic church has a rigid heirarchy, like everyone’s still slaves to the guardians over them, not a structure as described in scripture as the freedom in Christ. Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
“saint is another word for ‘Godly’…???? and you really want me to believe this??? ……You’re actually telling me that God don’t know the difference from ‘godly or saint’…?? Amazing how God becomes so stupid as we who have and do commit sins are so wise….wow!
I can’t believe you said this “There is a lot of acts of the devil in the Roman Catholic church, still possible for God to do the same.” So, are you trying to say that God and Devil are in the same respect of power and dominion??? That is not a good theology or even good explanation! And you going off a tagent by bring up the sexual abuse cases??? What is with that?? The Church is perfect but the people because we are sinners, but strive to be perfect! Besides haven’t you done any research on protestant ministers. I have always heard that the rate of abuse by protestant ministers was higher than that of Catholic priests, and the rate among teachers was even higher these past decades. A quote: “Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles. The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.” Now explain that issue??? By pointing to those statistics, I believe one is saying that it is not just a Catholic problem, like the secular media would like all to believe it is…..it is everywhere especially in family homes are the worst. Back to saints…..the “Practice” of asking for the intercession of Saints is stemmed in Judaism. On Yom Kippur the Jews would ask their deceased relatives to pray for them. The intercession of fellow Christians, which is what the saints in heaven are also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something “good and pleasing to God,” not something infringing on Christ’s role as mediator. But asking one person to pray for you in no way violates Christ’s mediatorship, as can be seen from considering the way in which Christ is a mediator. First, Christ is a unique mediator between man and God because he is the only person who is both God and man. He is the only bridge between the two, the only God-man. But that role as mediator is not compromised in the least by the fact that others intercede for us. Furthermore, Christ is a unique mediator between God and man because he is the Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15, 12:24), just as Moses was the mediator (Greek mesitas) of the Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19–20).
Dear Tom Shalom. You wrote: I can’t believe you said this “There is a lot of acts of the devil in the Roman Catholic church, still possible for God to do the same.” So, are you trying to say that God and Devil are in the same respect of power and dominion??? That is not a good theology or even good explanation! My comment: What is possible for God, do not reduce Him to the level of the Devil. God will simply not fall to such a low level, like sending a Roman Catholic priest to rape an altar boy. God did not stop these crimes against humanity to take place, might be for many reasons. One of them seems to be, to expose the evil of the Vatican Priesthood. My best guess: Jesus hoped that these crimes, would be enough to open the eyes of Roman Catholics. The Bible explains that there will be people who refuse to repent, putting their hope in their idols. They will rather curse God who have explained to them, that their shameless idolatry will take them down the road to Hell. The final judgment will be fair and just.
Ivar, The sins of the priests raping others did start to open my eyes many years ago. Many Catholics will say that the devil used these sins to tempt me and to lure me away from Holy Mother Church, and that I am now in the hands of the devil b/c I have left Holy Mother Church. The fire of the Holy Spirit alive in my soul tells me otherwise. Kay
Dear Kay. Shalom. I hope and pray that these articles on News That Matters will open the eyes of Roman Catholics. We love them enough to tell them the truth, and desire to see them safe home in the Kingdom of Heaven. Your testimony makes Jesus happy. Keep on following Him.
I wonder what kind of believers would be in the Kingdom? Those who accuse faulty day and night their brothers in faith based on false assumptions who they see a sun and paganism and they do not see the fake god in their pockets.Be real brothers in love and faith and to be ONE.May God forgive you and bless you.
Dear Souheil Bayoud Shalom. Two wrongs, to not make one of them right. Let us call a spade a spade. Sin is sin. It sin is called “holiness”, it is a damnable and blunt lie.
Souheil said: “I wonder what kind of believers would be in the Kingdom?” My reply: Certainly, not idol worshipers and those who can’t discern the truth for a lie and those who bow before a statue and pray to it — making it equal with God by saying, “holy father Denis (Dionysius), pray for us” as the Roman Catholic church teaches you to do May the Lord rebuke you in your ignorance and blindness and lead you to repentance. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments” (Exodus 20:3-6). “All who fashion idols are nothing, and the things they delight in do not profit. Their witnesses neither see nor know, that they may be put to shame. Who fashions a god or casts an idol that is profitable for nothing? Behold, all his companions shall be put to shame, and the craftsmen are only human. Let them all assemble, let them stand forth. They shall be terrified; they shall be put to shame together” (Isaiah 44:9-20).
Paul tells us to speak up and in languages we all can understand for the edification of the church meaning fellow christians. Do Catholics still call themselves Chritians? 1 cor 14:26 “What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.” God doesn’t ask us to be blind. He calls people hypocrites who can see the hand in front of their face but cannot see anythng else. Luke 12:56 Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time? “Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right?
To Kay…your answer…. Thats because Saints in Heaven are alive and not dead that is why we ask for their intercessions to Jesus, who in turn asks God Our Father. Saints are not dead and they are not in Sheol. They are in heaven and alive with God. In Mark 9:4 Jesus is seen conversing with Elijah and Moses. Jesus tells the good thief “Amen I say to you, this day you shall be with me in Paradise”. The Saints in heaven are more alive now then when they were on earth. We know that Angels and Saints place the prayers of the holy ones at God’s feet (Rev 5:8; Rev 8:3-4), supporting prayers with their intercessions. The martyrs underneath the heavenly altar cry out for earthly vindication (Rev 6:9-11). There is one mediator between God and man, but we share in Christ’s priesthood, and our intercessions and prayers for eachother do have power. To share in Christ’s priesthood means to share in his mediatorship, both in heaven and on earth. 1 Tim 2:5 confirms that we share in Christ’s mediation, when we read it in context. In verses 1-7, St. Paul asks Christians to participate in Christ’s unique mediation by offering prayers and intercessions for all men: “this is good and pleasing to God”. We are called to unite ourselves to the one mediator Christ, “who gave himself as a ransom for all,” by praying for all men, through Christ. All prayer whether in heaven or on earth, is in Christ and through Christ, our one mediator and high priest. Christ himself is the vine between the branches. We and the Saints form one communion, one body of Christ, being members of Him and members of one another. They can hear us and they are concerned for our Welfare. In the parable of Lazarus and the rich man (Lk 16:19-30), the departed rich man is able to pray to Abraham and interced for his brothers. This implies that there can be communication across the abyss. And then you may say why pray in front of relic……or why do some pray in front of Cross or in shrine or in a Church for that matter! And relic our connection to that saint just like photo of lost relative or clothing as way to remember that particular person!
Dear Tom. Shalom. Do you know if a “saint” is in Heaven? Who told you? Are you able to discern all the hypocrites who die in their sins? You have faith in the Pope, that all the Popes have been able to find out. The Pope has in your opinion the ability to be the replacement of God the Father. The Pope can discern, often hundreds of years after a person has departed. The Pope have made his priesthood grave looters, who take the dead up from the grave. They examine their skulls and bones, and take the remains through a process of “beautification”. They even pray to the departed soul, so find out if any “miracles” will take place after such prayers. Than, they might be declared as “saint”. I have told many Catholics, that if the person who have departed, did not make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. You will simply entertain demons in your prayer life. And these demons will surely make your church a “house of Demons”. Revelation 18:2 With a mighty voice he shouted: “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. When you look at how many altar boys who have been raped by Roman Catholic priests and Bishops, you should admit that this religious movement is hunted by all kinds of evil spirits. They love to take men like you for a ride, and bring you down to the abyss.
Tom, The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God. The Bible nowhere encourages, or even mentions, believers asking individuals in heaven for their prayers. Why, then, do many Catholics pray to Mary and/or the saints, or request their prayers? Catholics view Mary and the saints as “intercessors” before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in Heaven, has more “direct access” to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than us praying to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that we, believers here on earth, can “approach the throne of grace with confidence.” First Timothy 2:5 declares, “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father: “Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them” (Hebrews 7:25). With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us? Whom would God listen to more closely than His Son? Romans 8:26-27 describes the Holy Spirit interceding for us. With the 2nd and 3rd members of the Trinity already interceding for us before the Father in heaven, what possible need could there be to have Mary or the saints interceding for us? Catholics argue that praying to Mary and the saints is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for us. Let us examine that claim. (1) The Apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. Many Scriptures describe believers praying for one another (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in heaven to pray for him. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in heaven praying for anyone on earth. (2) The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people? Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in the context of sorcery, witchcraft, necromancy, and divination—activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13). In the one instance when a “saint” is spoken to, Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:7-19, Samuel is not exactly happy to be disturbed. It is clear that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking someone here on earth to pray for us. One has a strong biblical basis; the other has no biblical basis whatsoever. God does not answer prayers based on who is praying. God answers prayers based on whether they are asked according to His will (1 John 5:14-15). There is absolutely no basis or need to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no basis for asking those who are in heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in heaven has any greater access to God’s throne than we do through prayer (Hebrews 4:16). (From Got Questions)
Tom said: “The departed rich man is able to pray to Abraham and intercede for his brothers. This implies that there can be communication across the abyss.” My reply: You are so wrong. First of all, this is a parable. I would suggest you read the commentaries by NON-CATHOLICS to find truth. Let’s look at what Abraham’s answer was (in the parable) in response to the rich man: “But Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted, and you are in anguish. And besides, there is a great chasm separating us. No one can cross over to you from here, and no one can cross over to us from there.’” The rich man’s prayer was IN VAIN (as are the prayers to “mary” saints, etc.) The parable tells us that EVEN if the rich man WAS able communicate with Abraham, all Abraham could do is repeat what is already written about in Scripture. Abraham has no power to coerce and change anything by “being closer to Jesus or the Father” and attempt to twist the hand of the Almighty to get the rich man off the hook. What is done is done. God decided his lot, his his eternal destiny. Jesus is the ONLY bridge between Hell and Heaven — through faith in Him ALONE do we close the gap — and that gap is forever closed now that Jesus has resurrected. There is no communication between heaven and hell. NONE. I would suggest you pray for discernment and ask to receive the Holy Spirit so you will have wisdom to interpret the Word of God — and not just follow along with the lies and erroneous commentaries that the RCC puts out.
To JM: You are wrong to say there is no communication between Heaven and Hell; didn’t Satan speak with God in Job? And in the parable didn’t Abraham just speak to the rich man? Also Pope Leo XIII is said to have overheard Satan arguing with God. There is no prayer between the two. Abraham cannot help him because he has chosen his fate through his sins. He can help those on Earth though because their fate has not been decided and is still being fought out, even though God does know the outcome. Also, you told us to read commentaries from other noncatholics “and not just follow along with the lies and erroneous commentaries that the [Roman Catholic Church] puts out”. Catholic commentaries are written the same way as the others: through prayer, study, and reason. The only difference is that they are reflective of The Church, and take from the rich sources within The Church.
Monica, I have a huge problem with a man like the pope, and the popes that have come before him, who are sinners like you and me, whom parade around calling themselves “holy father.” For there is ONE ONLY who deserves that name. Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Hi Tom, I have prayed in front of hundreds of bone relics of catholic saints. I, too, believed that praying to an image or statue was like remembering a beloved friend alive in heaven. I have a rich catholic history. I have processed with JPII on the streets of Rome, participated in a Mass he celebrated in His private chapel, studied at Steubenville…and the list goes on…but I assure you that when I made a sincere heart vow to God to worship no gods before Him and to place no man before Him, my heart was seared with the Holy Spirit like never before!!!!!!! Now, there is no joy in talking to a dead man or woman…now there is no joy in carrying bones of dead people in my pocket…now there is no desire to look upon an image of dead people whom I have never met…now I have no desire to give my heart to a pope (whom I do not know)…my heart is for Jesus alone and He alone doni talk to, converse with, chat to. My heart is His alone. Such great joy! “Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?” (Luke 24:13, 32 NIV). Now all I want is the Word of God (just like Jesus shared with these men)…NOT a man who claims infailabilty & cannot save, NOT 2000 years of tradition that men who cannot save have controlled. His Spirit burns from within me and I won’t trade Him for any part of the world. Lord Jesus, may we all give our heart and souls only to YOU today and forever. You assured us that all who come to You shall Never thirst again and that we are to learn from you who are ‘gentle and humble’ of heart. I ask You, Lord Jesus, that Tom will seek You alone for You alone redeem, You alone bring searing burning life to our souls. I beg you, Lord, to bring us all to you. In your name I pray! Blessings to you, Tom. I won’t be able to post again as I begin a new job in the morn.
Dear Kay. Shalom. Be blessed in your new job. May Jesus use you with power as His daughter. Please come back and minister to us on News That Matters. Here you might be able to minister to many lost souls.
You quote “In millions, Roman Catholics were told not to read the Bible. They were simply not able to understand what they read, they were told by men like Tom. To gain, achieve or understand the true faith, you basically have to attend a Roman Catholic seminary, and study hard for seven years.” I have never heard of that???? please where is your source for that assumption??? And I was once in a Catholic Seminary studying to be a priest and you say that a person has to submit to Papal dogmas, and not question his authority. Buddy there are only dozen Dogmas which we all aspect, but there are hundreds of “DOCTRINE” which is not a “DOGMA.” Of three Catholic Seminaries I ve been to we question doctrines all the time and it happens everyday…..you have never been to a Catholic Seminary I guess??? The Church does not require you to know and understand everyone of its teachings. It is satified, if you can sincerely recite the folllowing prayer the The Nicene Creed at Sunday Service.
Dear Tom. Shalom. I want to give your credit for admitting that you are a Roman Catholic priest, or at least had ambitions to become one. I have been a non believing but practicing Roman Catholic for many years. Half of my family are Roman Catholics. So I do have some experience in this regard. My local parish priest, even told me that a man can never become sure of his salvation in this life. I was surprised the day I understood that he was not saved. He was a very religious man, but had no faith in Jesus. He just did his job, and told us all he had learned in the seminary. To people who had Bibles, he had a stern warning. – Be sure the Bible has the imprimatur of the local Bishop. – Anyhow, let some learned priests tell you what the scriptures really mean. I feel so sorry for you Tom. You know the truth, but the truth is too painful. You have given an oat to defend the Pope, and you do your best. But my best guess, is that deep down in your heart, you start to get the sense that the followers of Jesus obey the truth. And you do not.
Modern-day evangelical Protestants do not teach anything about the saints. Growing up, the only “saint” I ever heard of was St. Francis, because so many people have statues of him in their gardens. I had two Catholic readers ((Streets and Roads), and I read of several saints in these books–I loved those stories! I think the main reason for why evangelical Protestants don’t teach about saints is that they disagree so very very extremely strongly with the Catholic practice of “praying to the saints” or “petitioning the saint to pray for them.” Evangelical Protestants do not believe that those in heaven are able to see/hear us, as they are now with Jesus and are no longer interested in things of this earth. So they consider praying to the saints akin to the sin of attempting to communicate with the dead, or even with the sin of idolatry. Therefore, they stay away from teaching about the saints lest anyone be tempted to imitate the Catholics and pray to the saints. I think another reason why evangelical Protestants don’t teach anything about the saints is that all the saints are Catholic!! After all, we Catholics don’t teach about Protestant heroes of the faith, do we? Finally, I think that a lot of evangelical Protestants believe that much of the information about the saints is spurious, based on legend rather than fact. Evangelical Protestants tend to stick with “just the facts.” But they do teach a lot about the great missionaries; e.g., Hudson Taylor, Adoniram Judson, Cameron Townsend, William and Catherine Booth, etc. They also teach a lot about great preachers, teachers, revivalists, and evangelists; e.g., Jonathan Edwards, Charles Finley, Billy Sunday, A.W. Tozer, Billy Graham, etc. They also tend to get caught up in adulating current modern-day Christians “celebrities.” In my youth and younger years, these included Dr. James Dobson, Chuck Swindoll, J.I. Packer, Gary Smalley, Chuck Colson, Billy Graham, Corrie ten Boom, Evelyn Christenson, Anne Graham Lotz, Ann Kiemel, Joni Earickson, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Some of these are still around and are very much respected and admired, and I personally admire several of them even though I am now Catholic. The only current modern-day celebrity that I am following is John Ortberg, because I grew up with him in my church. Many times, I played the piano for him when he sang (wonderful singing voice). We all knew that someday he would grow up to be a “Billy Graham,” and we were right! Great guy and I wish him well and I pray that he will seriously consider Catholicism! And of course there are the Christian entertainers. In my younger years, these were Amy Grant, Sandi Patty, Michael W. Smith, the Wynans, Petra, 2nd Chapter of Acts, etc. I’m really dating myself here! I have not paid any attention to contemporary Christian entertainers in many years. But evangelical Protestants still get very caught up in buying their albums and promotional products, going to their concerts, etc. Sometimes things backfire for evangelical Protestants when they lift up a modern-day celebrity, because the modern-day celebrity is caught in a serious sin and/or crime. The one that comes to mind is Ted Haggard, who was the leader of the National Association of Evangelicals.
These things about the saints, such as St. Denis picking up his head or angels taking Saint Catherine of Alexandria’s to Mount Sinai, they are according to legend! The Church itself does not say it is true, but it also does not say it is false because The Church understands that anything, anything at all, is possible with God. A whale swollowed up Jonah, I believe it. He saved the three hebrew boys from the fire, I also believe it. THROUGH Elijah, he raised the widow’s son. I also believe this legend can be true because with God nothing is impossible. I also believe the saints are alive in Heaven, and I hope to one day join them, and that they can ask Him for anything. That is why I ask for their prayers because they see the Beatific Vision and know the Will of The Father.
Monica, The catholic church has a huge problem with distorting the Word of God, to suit their own need. 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Apollonia lost her teeth in Egypt. In England her teeth in their thousands were distributed and sold to mint money.
One of the “holy teeth” of Apollonia is kept in the Cathedral in Rab in Croatia, to be venerated and adored.
She died in 248 A.D in Alexandria in Egypt. No one is sure when she was canonized, and what process of beautification she went through. But Roman Catholic legends say there were a popular acclamation around 300 A.D.
Apollonia of Alexandria was not canonized. She was declared a saint before the official canonization process was instituted. She would have been proclaimed a saint by popular acclamation based on her life and merits, probably to a local bishop.
Even the plyer is kept for adoration in the Cathedral in Porto in Portugal.
In many Roman Catholic paintings Apollonia is holding a plyer with one of her teeth.
Here the pale toothless saint, has long golden hair. Not typical Egyptian.
When you read the fine print in Wikipedia, you will see that the teeth of this lady were scattered over many nations. In Roman Catholic England her teeth were distributed in thousands to mint money. Her head, body parts and bones were also cut off the skeleton, and scattered.
William S. Walsh noted that, though the major part of her relics were preserved in the former church of St. Apollonia at Rome, her head at the Basilica di Santa Maria in Trastevere, her arms at the Basilica di San Lorenzo fuori le Mura, parts of her jaw in St. Basil’s, and other relics are in the Jesuit church at Antwerp, in St. Augustine’s at Brussels, in the Jesuit church at Mechlin, in St. Cross at Liege, in the treasury of the cathedral of Porto, and in several churches at Cologne. These relics consist in some cases of a solitary tooth or a splinter of bone. In the Middle Ages, objects claimed to be her teeth were sold as toothache cures. During the reign of Henry VI of England, several tons of these purported teeth were collected in an effort to stop the scam.
Source: Wikipedia Saint Apollonia was one of a group of virgin martyrs who suffered in Alexandria during a local uprising against the Christians prior to the persecution of Decius. According to legend, her torture included having all of her teeth violently pulled out or shattered. For this reason, she is popularly regarded as the patroness of dentistry and those suffering from toothache or other dental problems. My comment: It is disturbing to have tooth ache. The Pope have a saint for everything, so why not for all who have costumed to much sweets or skipped the tooth paste. Since some Roman Catholics do not trust Wikipedia, let me also quote the Catholic Encyclopedia
The Roman Church celebrates her memory on 9 February, and she is popularly invoked against the toothache because of the torments she had to endure. She is represented in art with pincers in which a tooth is held. There was a church dedicated to her at Rome but it no longer exists. The little square, however, in which it stood is still called “Piazza Sant’ Apollonia”.
Source: Catholic Encyclopedia. Since it is possible to fool religious people and loot them of all their money, a “Holy tooth scam” seems to be an act of genius corruptible priests. To prove the origin of a teeth is hardly possible without DNA samples or X-ray’s. In particular a teeth from a person who died 1400 years before King Henry VI brought an end to the religious scam of the Papists. Do people get fooled today? In the Cathedral of Porto in Portugal the ‘Holy tooth” is placed in a monstrance. The tooth is preserved together with a “Holy plyer”. If the lady lost here teeth during torture: Why is she presented holding the plyer and her own teeth?
2 Corinthians 2:17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
This makes sense. When people have tooth ache, just use a plyer and pull the tooth out. No more pain. No dental bill to be paid. Written by Ivar
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Dear Dorkas. Shalom. You asked: So what does Catholic do wen they have head ache? My reply: Than it would not be enough to venerate a tooth, or pray in front of a jaw bone. Now Catholics must adore and pray in front of a skull.
Dear Dorkas. Shalom. There is obvious a “saint” for every ache…. St. Teresa of Avila is the Roman Catholic saint to be venerated. She is the Patron of Headache sufferers. I will use my brain, and give you a full report.
Ivar: Did you mean to be serious when you say it´s just to take a plier (plyer?) and pull out a tooth that´s aching??? Just to avoid paying the dentist? OK, for some people that may be the only possibility if their country (or themselves) is very poor. But I found it more than ironic that you seemed to mean that it would be deemed a normal procedure to follow if one do´nt want to pray to a Catholic saint. Of course I´m with you in the rest of you article…it´s sad this relic “business” still is in full blown activity in the RCC / RKK (as if there isn´t a lot of other sad things going on there)
This is so gross..why are they carrying around dead peoples body parts and praying and honoring them… I have a hard time with looking at how blind people are to this nonsense! Ashes to ashes, dust to dust….no mention in scripture that I am aware of that Jesus said when one dies to march around and honor and pray to teeth,skulls,wooden dolls or any other dead thing. This is so crazy, it makes me laugh..
Ivar, you never cease to amaze me. You do a lot of work uncovering the abominations of the false religion which is ‘not Christian’ but in name only. Thank you for all your hard work. You are truly appreciated. If I shared this with my Catholic family and friends they would not believe me. They say, ‘the media is putting out lies to destroy the church.’ Only our Lord and Savior can open their eyes, just like he did me and you. Praise the Lord! America has a lot of Catholic’s running the country mixed in with Islamists and atheists. They are trying to bring all religions together with much deceit. We need to be careful because there is much deception!
Virgin Centurione died in 1651. 150 years later her corpse was removed from the grave, and kept for display in Genova.
Italian lady kept for adoration more than 360 years after her death.
No one in sure how many corpses the Roman Catholic Church have kept for display for adoration and veneration. But this lady died in Genova in Italy is 1651 A.D. 150 years lauer, in 1801 her body was removed from the grave, to be kept for display. Lets take a look at some few more pictures:
Roman Catholic youth kneel and pray in font of the altar with the corpse in Genova.
The Italian virgin is one of the patron “saints” of the city of Genova.
A man made image and a corpse. A life that ended as a tragedy around idol worship and sinful prayer of the pagan rosary chain.
The Vatican did not start the process of beautification before 1985. That is a long wait for those who kept on venerating a person, who had not performed authorized miracles. What would have happened to the remains of this person, if the Pope refused to grant “it“sainthood? Would the corpse have been reburied 334 years after it had been removed from the grave? Why did it take the Vatican 184 years to complete the process of beautification in the the first place? Was it the local production of suitable garments that took so long time? The body of ‘Saint Virginia Centurione from Genova in Italy is not a pleasant catch for the eye. It makes me wonder what the “beautification” process is all about, but a wicked looting of a dead woman’s grave. Written by Ivar
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A belated L’ Shana Tova to you Ivar, When ever I hear about the veneration of anything other than GOd, it sends up a huge red flag for me. The muslims have their black rock that they bow down to. It is said, that the rock was white at first, but, because the rock is able to absorb the sins of the faithful, the rock is now black. Yet, muslims will tell you that they do not worship idols. The connection to the worship of the moon god, is another form of idolatry that they try to deny; note the creasent moon, it is Islam’s emblem. It is beyond my understanding how anyone with a modicum of common sense, could in any way, reverence, let alone pray to, something as macabre as this, and not call it idolatry, necromancy, and sorcery. GOd is very clear in matters of worship. It is to Him alone that we are to render sacred service, or worship. We are not allowed to pray for the dead; never mind, praying to the dead. Besides, it’s down right creepy!
Muslims do not worship black stone as you say. There is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet is the first thing you say before you join Islam. Islam came at a time when Arabs worshiped stones. Allah said to his prophet and you can find in the last page of the Qur’an, [SAY: "He is the One God. God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being. He begets not, and neither is He begotten. and there is nothing that could be compared with Him.]. As you can read it can not be a stone. In another verse in the Qur’an you can read Say: “Would you worship, beside God, aught that has no power either to harm or to benefit you-when God alone is all-hearing, all-knowing?” refereeing to idolatry including stone worshipers. The Qur’an also said [say: AND WORSHIP God [alone], and do not ascribe divinity, in any way, to aught beside Him. I hope it is clear for you now.]. This may be of interest to you: the Qur’an says [ AND THEY say, "Be Jews" - or, "Christians" - "and you shall be on the right path." Say: "Nay, but [ours is] the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God.”] The Qur’an say [Say: "We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and, their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus; and that which has been vouchsafed to all the [other] prophets by their Sustainer: we make no distinction between any of them. And it is unto Him that we surrender ourselves.”] This is what a Muslim believe in. But Allah (who is not a stone!) will accept your repentance at any time. Lastly: the Qur’an say [The people of the Book ( Jews and Christians) know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.]. Do not follow your vanity and hide the truth. Allah says in the Quran: [Say [to the Jews and the Christians]: “Do you argue with us about God? But He is our Sustainer as well as your Sustainer – and unto us shall be accounted our deeds, and unto you, your deeds; and it- is unto Him alone that we devote ourselves. “Do you claim that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants were `Jews’ or `Christians’?” Say: “Do you know more than God does? And who could be more wicked than he who suppresses a testimony given to him by God? Yet God is not unmindful of what you do.]. Therefore: The qyran says [Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse, Except those who repent and make amends and openly declare (the Truth): To them I turn; for I am Oft-returning, Most Merciful. Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;]
You wrote: Allah said to his prophet and you can find in the last page of the Qur’an, [SAY: "He is the One God. God the Eternal, the Uncaused Cause of All Being. He begets not, and neither is He begotten. and there is nothing that could be compared with Him.]. My Comment: Your Allah is a lie created by the devil himself, who enjoys decieving many. Jesus Christ is the only that can save. He is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit also known as the trinity. Matthew 1:23 – “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Understand the horrific consequence if you choose to continue in beliving in a lie: John 8:24 – “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.
The Qur’an says : [It is not conceivable that God should have taken unto Himself a son: limitless is He in His glory! When He wills a thing to be, He but says unto it "Be" -and it is!. And [thus it was that Jesus always said]: “Verily, God is my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer; so worship [none but] Him: this (alone] is a straight way.”And yet, the sects [that follow the Bible] are at variance among themselves [about the nature of Jesus Woe, then, unto all who deny the truth when that awesome Day will appear!] The above chapter of the Qur’an is called meryam [Mary]. It is a message to all of you that are sadly in denial. Read this: The quran say:[As it is, some assert, "The Most Gracious has taken unto Himself a son! Indeed, [by this assertion] you have brought forth something monstrous, whereat the heavens might well-nigh be rent into fragments, and the earth be split asunder, and the mountains fall down in ruins! That men. should ascribe a son to the Most Gracious, Not one of all [the beings] that are in the heavens or on earth appears before the Most Gracious other than as a servant:]. I think the above is clear, a warning to all that have said Allah has a son. Read this. It is a number of verses that are from the same chapter called the cave: referring to the “people of the cave”, you might know the story which was revealed to the prophet to show to a christian delegation, that visited the prophet, if he was really send from God (Allah). Obviously they were stunned of this revelation about the people of cave which only the Christians knew about the details at the time. Eventually, some of them converted to Islam after reading it. I give you only the first few verses. You can check it in http://tanzil.net/#18:1 press the verse in Arabic and you get the translation. The Qur’an says 18:1 [ALL PRAISE is due to God, who has bestowed. this divine writ from on high upon His servant, and has not allowed any deviousness to obscure its meaning:] It is clear right no need to explain next verse in the Qur’an The Qur’an says 18:2 [[a divine writ] unerringly straight, meant to warn [the godless] of a severe punishment from Him, and to give unto the believers who do good works the glad tiding that theirs shall be a goodly reward-] So Allah warn the godless first. The next verse The Qur’an says 18:3 [[a state of bliss] in which they. shall dwell beyond the count of time.] i.e: Eternity The Qur’an says 18:4 [Furthermore, [this divine writ is meant] to warn all those who assert, “God has taken unto Himself a son.”]. The Qur’an says 18:5 [No knowledge whatever have they of Him, and neither had their forefathers: dreadful -is this saying that comes out of their mouths, [and] nothing but falsehood do they utter!] The Qur’an says 18:6 [But wouldst thou, perhaps, torment thyself to death with grief over them if they are not willing to believe in this message?]. Maybe you could one day read the Qur’an and see for yourself if Allah the most gracious is a lie. Until then, you do not know, you are making assertions about God. If you are then god say The Qur’an say: [And yet, among men there is many a one who argues about God without having any knowledge [of Him], and follows every rebellious satanic force]. Sad in’it.
Muslim, How can it be inconceivable that God should have taken unto him a son, when he is God? When he is Our King? Jesus said: John 14:6-7 – Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Because you choose to believe in Satan’s lies, YOUR SOUL IS IN DANGER. Do not be deceived. 2 John 1:7 – For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Yes, It is only a matter of time before we know! eventually we all die. until then enjoy your life and try to help the poor and the needy, give your time to the sick and the orphans. At least you would have done some good deeds before you leave earth for good! Cheerio…
God can do anything except have a son? Think about it… And it is conceivable since the idea has been concieved. That should show the quran is just talkin talk. Yes there are many who disagree on all the details of what it means to be the Son of God. And many people who disagree that Jesus is the Son of God. But in the Bible, the Apostle Paul realistically sums it up, staying within the reality of the situation. “We know in part”, “we see puzzling reflections” . 1 cor 13:12″ Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.” until the second coming of Jesus in power and glory, when you meet face to face
Should I think if god can have a son? This is what the Quran says to you: [To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort (i.e a partner)? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.] Why would Allah has a son? Why do humans have children? what is the purpose of a family? Why would you inscribe to Allah a son without real knowledge, why some of you (Christians) think it is wrong idea? why the bibbles do not mention it very clearly that God has a son? why and why… Ask yourself this: why some Christians are leaving their faith to Islam? are they all bad people? seeking some finacial gain? looking for favours from some goverments? looking to annoy you? revenge on the church? or simply they found that its all lies and that God has no son. Quran says [Not for (idle) sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is between! If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)! Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us).] I do think, only I do not think like you!
But Muslim, that is the difference between me and you. I know JESUS CHRIST is my Savior. You on the other hand are willing to risk your soul to wait until you die, to see if what you believed in was the truth. Also a man does not see Christ by his good deeds, but by believing in him. You are wrong! Do not risk it.
Clearly Gloria you have no wit! You simply are too simple! it does not help at all to talk to you anymore, I tried but it is simply a monologue with you. Nevertheless, All the best to you until we meet in Heavens !
There is a difference between veneration of Mary and worship of Jesus. This was formalized in writing way back in 757 AD at the Seventh General Council: Latria – adoration that is given to the Trinity alone; occurs 5 times in the Bible but always refers to God (Jn 16:2, Rm:9:4, 12:6, Heb 9:1,6) Hyper-dulia – veneration to Mary (as the mother of God) Dulia – honor paid to saints and angels; occurs 5 times in the Bible (Rm 8:15, 21; Gal 4:24, 5:1; Heb 2:15) There are plenty of Old Testament references that distinguish veneration from worship. “Then Moses went out to meet his father in law, and he bowed down and kissed him..” (Exo 18:7)…(also 1 Chron 29:20, 1 Sam 24:8)
Does the Quran say God created man in his image? The bible says God created the earth for his pleasure, if it was his pleasure to call Jesus his son who can stop him? Isn’t it better to please God by giving than to please yourself in selfishness? it’s consistent even with the Quran that God created the world for his pleasure and not for ours? As you say giving to the poor pleases God.
I call my neighbor’s son “my son” but clearly he is not. If I went to my neighbor and said his my begotten son then I am in a serious trouble. Yes, Allah created us to worship Him and to please Him. The same message Allah has send to every nation before us. The Qur’an say : [Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."]. We love all the prophets, no exception, Jesus is our prophet too. The last book of Allah is the Qur’an…Take it and read it in an open minded way, take your time, do not let anything interfere in your reasoning, logic will prevail. It took me several years to finally make sense of it all as I was a convinced atheist before. Good luck and all the best.
A bit absurd to compare youself and you neighbor to God dont you think? God called Jesus his begotten Son when the Holy spirit descended on Jesus like a dove and stayed there, When he was Born of Spirit, not when he was born of flesh. Jesus is called the Son of Man and the Son of God.
Christ is the one and only mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24)…It can not be made any clearer in the scriptures that God wants to communicate with us directly, and to be cautious of those who try to step in to mediate 1 Timothy 2 does not say that God wants us only to communicate with Jesus. It says there is only one mediator between God and man, which is a different thing. The passage does not say “be cautious” of asking people to pray for us. It doesn’t do anything of the sort. The chapter begins by not only allowing intercessory prayer by third parties, but requiring it and indicating that it actually helps bring them to salvation and knowledge of truth. Any mother who prays for her children knows that. I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone …This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4. who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. (Tim. 2:1-4) We cannot read the rest of the chapter without considering that overarching idea. We think that Christians in heaven pray through Christ much better than you and me. They are much closer to Christ than you and me. Evangelicals pray for each other, and they don’t say they are taking God’s place. When we pray for one another we are participating in the mediation but we are not the mediator. Catholics feel that saints in heaven, including Mary, can pray for us just as well (or infinitely better) than our friends on earth.
I am amazed that faithful Roman Catholics have even put flowers on the missing hair of the saint.
Santa Eufema of Ferrara in Italy is dressed up for adoration and veneration.
I have published dozens of pictures of Roman Catholic bones, skulls, skeletons and corpses. This saint is also called Santa Gaudencia. I paid attention to this skeleton, because of the dress code. The sandals on the leg of this corpse, is absolute worth noticing.
The claimed to be a saint is dressed up, probably by Roman Catholic priests.
Matthew 23:27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. I have not been able to find any information about who are doing the dressing of the bones. There is also no information available if there is more textiles available in her cup board. Written by Ivar
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This practice of preserving corpses, bones and skulls certainly goes against what God Himself decreed about those who die. In Genesis 3:19, God made it clear that when someone dies they are supposed to return to the dust from which they came. “…for dust you are and to dust you will return.” – Genesis 3:19 Other verses that refer to the ‘dust of the earth’ as being the rightful place for dead bodies include: Ecclesiastes 3:20 – “…all come from dust, and to dust all return.” Psalm 104:29 – “…when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust.” Ecclesiastes 12:7 – “and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” Psalm 22:15 – “…you lay me in the dust of death.” Psalm 146:4 – “When their spirit departs, they return to the ground…” Isaiah 26:19 – “But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.” Daniel 12:2 – “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.” Therefore, keeping dead bodies for public display is denying them their right to be buried and returning to the dust according to God’s Word.
Lol…I’m sorry this looks so bad it’s making me laugh. A dry pile of dead mans bones with flowers and sandals on?? Where does the skeleton plan on going?? Lol… God Bless you all, keep being fishers of men for salvation…
Anglicans, Orthodox and High Lutherans is about to return to the antichrist in Rome.
The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople will bow before the Papacy.
The Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and the Archbishop of Canterbury will join Pope Benedict XVI’s celebration of the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council, it was announced today. Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople and Dr Rowan Williams will attend the Mass that Pope Benedict will celebrate at the Vatican to mark the anniversary of the opening of the council on October 11, 1962, Vatican officials said. Source: The Catholic Herald My comment: All the Church reformers belled the Pope in Rome as a antichrist. Today reformed Church leaders are about to return back to Rome, and jump the lessons of the Reformation.
Rowan Williams is a spiritual prostitute, bowing and kissing the ring of the “fisherman”.
This is made possible because of spiritual prostitution in the mainline Churches. Like acceptance of mass murder of children in abortion, acceptance of Sodomy as something nobel and “holy”, and “Holy war” against the Zionist state of Israel.
Revelation 17:5
King James Version (KJV)
And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
The harlots can return home to Rome, because the “Mother Church” her self is a great whore, the mysterious Babylon. The mother of harlots. Rome is lead by the very priesthood of Satan, who worship a false Messiah. This priesthood even rape the Roman Catholic Children and altar boys. They hail the Pope as the vicar of Christ, and a replacement of God the Holy Spirit. You have to chose which gate you are going to walk through. The wide gates of Rome is the very highway to Hell. The narrow gate is not easy to find, in our days of massive deception. But The Holy Spirit will lead your down the narrow part to the Kingdom of Heaven, is you are willing to obey the Word of God. Its your choice. First published: 26th of September, 2012. Written by Ivar
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Shalom “Actions speak louder than words.” “If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. For he that sayeth unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.” (2 John 1:10) “Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God: as God saith: I will dwell in them and walk among them. And I will be their God: and they shall be my people. Wherefore: Go out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing.” (2 Cor. 6:14-16)
Shalom Ivar, I have a sincere question, If these Protestants (harlots as you put it) are returning to the ‘Whore”, doesn’t it stand to reason that Protestants are the daughters of the Whore as described in Revelations? Do you see any connection? I’m interested to know your perspective on the matter.
Dear Simon Kepha Shalom. You wrote: Shalom Ivar, I have a sincere question, If these Protestants (harlots as you put it) are returning to the ‘Whore”, doesn’t it stand to reason that Protestants are the daughters…. My reply: The harlots are all the mainline Churches who do not accept that the Pope is an antichrist. There are also protestant Churches that clearly say that the Pope is an antichrist. There will only be two camps in the end of the road. The sheep and the goats.
Indeed you are correct, Ivar. I fear, however, that there are far fewer sheep than we can imagine. The apple did not fall far from the tree and the RCC believes the Protestants are a daughter that is just in denial. RCC doctrines state that the ‘daughter’ is still theirs because she worships on their appointed say, SUNday. From a paper my son wrote on the topic and posted 1/28/13 on my blog: _________________ “The Sunday…is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 883. 17 “They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason…The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance…The author of the Sunday law…is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914. 16 “Sunday…is the law of the Catholic Church alone…” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893. 18 “It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903. 20 ________________ I don’t post those to stir up trouble. There are many more such quotes among Catholics… I post them to demonstrate that RCC dogma plainly states that they believe all who worship on SUNday are their daughters and they are intent on regathering them to Rome. Therefore, this article does not surprise me. Shalom.
This is so true, how these men (their doctrine’s)..who many followed away from the devils grasp of Catholicism…are now going to bring many back into captivity. And we will see ‘many’ of todays Religious Leaders dancing around to ‘get another voted into office’ to help them also to be the Pied Piper to lead many into the captivity….Dear God in heaven…as exciting as it is to be a part of these times, it is also equally very painful…. 2Thessolians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Thessolians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Thessolians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Thessolians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Humanism is the driving force behind the growth of the goat camp as we see it now. Rowan Williams the marxist pagan opportunist has presided over it in the UK at least. Folks are sadly led into deception and false hope, believing their own efforts and works will contribute to their salvation. The man-centred, man-pleasing, purpose driven, saddle bag, common purpose, seeker sensitive, utopia-gospel absolutely FAILS every time because it will not and cannot accept that the root cause of all mans troubles is not of a political, social, cultural, sexual, intellectual, economic, religious or moral origin, but rather is the fact of mans SIN. The fake preachers-wether they be old school catholic priests or “cool” post modern ministers (LOL) in the “emergent” church-are truly wolves in sheeps clothing, serving the same anti-Christ spirit, because they do not preach the gospel that uncovers mans awful and terrible condition of sin; the gospel which presents the only approved and available cure, only found in a living submitted relationship with the Lord Jesus through his shed blood, and not one that is acheived by engagement in experimental evolutionary theology, social programmes, community schemes, mysticism, ecumental initiatives, interfaith dialogue etc etc. The works which God HAS planned in advance for men-plans to prosper, give hope and a future etc-are only possible AFTER this vitally important step of spiritual rebirth. The armenianists think if you get your good works done right, if you live as a fine upstanding member of the brotherhood of man, you will be saved……they do not see Jesus as God…..only a wise teacher, guru, good role model, mentor, etc etc. They actually despise and reject His holy credentials as the Son of God, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.. Despite what the post modern theorists will assert, man is absolutely no different today than he was a decade, or a century, or a millenia ago. Still crippled with sin, rebellion, guilt, shame, pride, arrogance and rebellion; always very very reluctant to accept and face up to this reality, always wanting to persecute and destroy true biblical righteousness, always trying to invent religious rules and codes and rituals to try to do away with sin on his own terms…man is still just as primitive, spiritually, as he was when adam first fell all those years ago…. “Your prophets have seen vain and foolish things for you: and they have not discovered your iniquity, to turn away your captivity; but have seen for you false burdens and causes of banishment.” Lamentations 2:14 “I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brothers, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:6-12 “Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them.” 2 Corinthians 4:1-4
Joel Osteen can not understand why “denominational names” shall separate Baptists and Catholics.
Joel Osteen wants all to unite around “god” regardless of doctrinal errors.
This is recorded in Christian Post:
When I grew up, at least in my household, there was the Baptists, the Methodists, Catholics and others. And we never crossed over. But this is a day where it seems like the denominational names mean less and less, and I mean that very respectfully, but they’re not separating us.
My church now is filled with people of every denomination. Victoria grew up in the Church of Christ, so I think in that sense it’s changed for the better – there’s not so many things separating us. Here at Marlins Park, I’m sure there will be every denomination. I had somebody at my church Sunday who came by afterwards to say, “that was a great sermon,” and coming from an Atheist that means a lot. Continue» Source: Christian Post My comment: I do not know why I keep taking this preacher seriously. Not being able to see why Baptists and Catholics are separated, Joel Osteen remains spiritually blindfolded. It is a mystery how Osteen can have missed that there is a Baptism with full emersion in water, after people are confessing faith in Jesus. And there are Catholics who sprinkle water of infants, and declare them saved. It is also a mystery that Osteen do not know that Roman Catholics believe in an infallible Pope, pray to saints and the “Queen of Heaven:”, and worship bones, skulls and corpses. True Baptists do non of this. For obvious reasons.
2 Corinthians 6:13-15 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial. Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
Since these kind of issues does not matter for Joel Osteen, I guess no doctrinal differences will affect this man, as long as the cash comes in. Many moneymakers proclaim that “God is good all the time”.
1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
Please do not listen to this lawless man. Written by Ivar
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Amen Ivar! You could not be more right. You are ALWAYS right on..and that is one of the many things I love so much about you, and your awesome posts! In Christ, you rock! LOL!! Love to you!
Don’t idolize man – Lyn Lehahz. The honour belongs to our LORD. He has granted some gifts of grace to Ivar. And Ivar uses this gifts. Thanks to the LORD.
Lis, With all due respect, you mistook what Lyn is saying. From Lyn’s post, I do not get she’s idolizing Ivar. From her post, I get that she’s thanking her Brother in Christ for his blog, and for preaching the Word of Jesus.
Lis, Giving thanks to our Brothers and Christ, and loving them is not a dangerous thing. That is how Jesus wants us to be with each other. God Bless, Gloria
Lis and Lyn Leahz, I’m glad that I’m not the only one bothered by Lyn’s “ALWAYS right on” comment. Lyn, your gravatar profile shows that you have actual conversations with God. Scripture teaches that, though God spoke in the past through the prophets, He now speaks to us through His Son whose words have been recorded for us in written form in His word. That God might be heard speaking audibly might happen, but not in a “conversation”. You’re on dangerous ground. You also have a comment stating that “what truly matters is that we love ourselves”. In Luke 10:27 we are told to “Love the Lord your God with all your strength and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.” It seems to imply that loving oneself is already a given and our main focus, or to use your words, “what truly matters” should be on loving God and others, not self. In Christ, Chris
Dear Chris Henry Shalom. I can not approve on your last comment. Early this morning Lyn Leath was questioned because of the words she used to bless me. I guess we both can handle this. But: Next, she become the topic of a debate based on her gravtar. On this site, the debate will be on the concerned articles and topics. Kindly accept this guideline.
Dear Chris. Shalom. I can sense there is a debate about the Holy Spirit down the pipeline. What the Holy Spirit can do, and what we feel he can not do. Since God made a donkey speak in the past, I guess you can not stopp Him from doing so in the future. Florence Nightingale has testified that Jesus spoke to her on several occasions during the Crimian war. I have no objections to that, as long as what was said is inline with scripture. The Bible is not the only authority in matters of faith. But it is surely the highest authority. God can not go against His own Word. Jesus gives his instructions to the Church, both by the gifts of tongues, and by the gifts of interpretation. He do not only speak to the Church through the scriptures. He even communicate through prophets. Being lead by the Holy Spirit, is an important part of everyday life of a Bible-obeying Christians. I have personally heard His audible voice, once. It was no conversation, but a simple and short message in the midst of extreme chaos and confusion: “Trust me”. I did, and everything worked out fine. All glory to Jesus the Messiah.
Chris, You said: Lyn, your gravatar profile shows that you have actual conversations with God. Scripture teaches that, though God spoke in the past through the prophets, He now speaks to us through His Son whose words have been recorded for us in written form in His word. That God might be heard speaking audibly might happen, but not in a “conversation”. My comment: The Lord has spoken to me since I was 8 years old. The fact that I call Jesus, God, Dios, King does not bother him, because God has always answered me. So my point is you are assuming that Lyn means God and not Jesus. John 10:30 says: I and the father are One. As for the conversation thing, and using that exact word? You do not know how Lyn meant it, yet you say she is on “dangerous” ground. Also you make a comment about Lyn’s profile. Did you notice that she also has this on her profile: “My hope is to bring people to repentance through my writing, and to bring those who do not know Him as Lord of their lives to the cross of Jesus Christ. May all be blessed, because there isn’t much time left! Jesus Christ is coming soon!” God Bless, Gloria
Dear Liz. Shalom. You asked: What do you prefer: Distributing a translation of your posts or to be given thanks to? My reply: Can I be permitted to be a little bit like Winnie-the-Pooh? being told to chose between milk and honey, he said, Yes, thank you. Both.
Your thanks fell on a dry place. Most “Christians” in Norway and Denmark mock me for bringing this things about.”We just had such a cozy time. Why shall Lis Jensen always destroy it?” Is it like that in this debat?
Dear Lis. Shalom. You wrote: Your thanks fell on a dry place. Most “Christians” in Norway and Denmark mock me for bringing this things about.”We just had such a cozy time. Why shall Lis Jensen always destroy it?” Is it like that in this debat? My reply: I know that many Christians in Denmark and Norway do not like what you are writing. But when did you become concerned with what people think about you?
Dear Ivar. Sometimes I am concerned with what people think. I am not made by stones. But it was just a strike of self-pity. Excuse me. “The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.”
Dear Lis-Peace to you in Christ. You are reading to much into a comment I made to a friend. Ivar is a friend of mine and a brother in Christ. I do not appreciate your judgment of me based on a kind comment. We are to exhort one another. May the love of Christ find you well.
Amen! Time is very, very short. If people really understood this, they would stop focusing on nonsense and get serious. The same amount of time could’ve been spent blessing someone or leading someone to Christ Jesus. Every few minutes, a soul is lost forever to hell.
Spot on Ivar. This ecumenical movement, orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Religion, is leading right into the One World Religion and it is extremely dangerous.
Dear Arthur Cormode Shalom. I am amazed that a magazine that call it self “Christian” do not expose this evil. Unfortunately both the two Christian dailies of Norway has been taken capture by the enemy. The road back to Rome is short, for all who accept lawlessness.
Osteen is obviously wrong again. Anyone who loves the Word of God cannot ignore the rampant abuses of the Roman Church. I personally am nondenominational, but I am absolutely opposed to ecumenicism because it is based on the assumption that doctrinal purity is not important.
there is ‘no leading into it any more’….it’s already here!’… anyone that says or even suggests or hints that a catholic can join with any other religion like these it’s the same as saying Jesus and Satan are brothers….and Mormons and Christians are brothers and sisters! .sheer crazy….
Dear Lis Shalom. So lets say in in plain words. Osteen is not a Christian. Like the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, he sometimes speak about “Jesus”. Even, some of his prayer’s end “in the name of ‘Jesus”.
Dear Lis. Shalom. It is not the majority opinion of people who define who is a Christian, and who is not. It is the Bible. Also Hindus take the name of Jesus, and have high regards for “him”.
Osteen the Ignorant strikes again! It is not denominational name that separates, it is faith in Christ alone for salvation, along with many other vital doctrinal truths that separate the Baptists from the Catholics. Also, how can there be unity between the Catholics and a group that was never part of the Catholic cult in the first place?
Ivar, “It is a mystery how Osteen can have missed that there is Baptism with full immersion in water, etc., do not know that Roman Catholics believe in an infallible Pope, etc.”, that’s because like too many other christians he doesn’t seem interested in doing the necessary “research” about the Catholic Church, Pope, etc. Something tells me (and I could be wrong) that he barely even reads the Bible, because lining up ‘Biblical doctrines’ to those listed by the Catholic and all other churches, would help folks to see where they stand when it comes to “YHWH-God’s/Yeshua’s-Jesus’ Truth” and Word in the long run. But, why do this when you can write books telling folks how they can live, “they’re best live now” (when Christ nor the Apostles said NO such thing), or make “every day a Friday” and other such “feel happy for the time being” books. Why tell the Truth God’s way, when you can keep letting the blind fall into the ditch you’re digging for them? The ‘itching ears’ are working overtime but sadly too many just don’t seem to care. Lord have mercy on their souls, I pray not only for them to ‘wake up’ and seek the Lord’s Truth, but Joel and his ‘followers’ as well.
Dear Bea K. Shalom. I agree with you. I have ministered to some New Ager’s, who also take the name of Jesus. They claim the love Him. But they refuse to bow before the Messiah of the Bible. They do not even read the Bible. I have heard Joel Osteen quoting some scriptures here and there, as a defense of his “feel good messages”. But never heard him take a stand against sin, and asked people to repent. Such a man is not a Christian.
Joel Osteeen and many others like him, belong to the emergent church movement orchestrated by “Rome” and it’s “Antichrist” the Pope. It is to promote a ‘one world religion,’ just like the Bible prophesied would happen. They preach a ‘different gospel,’ and a different Jesus. All true believers will be able to discern their deception, but many will not as they follow blindly. Take care that you are not deceived. Search the Scripture daily. Only then will you be able to discern the truth. With love and God’s blessings. 13″ For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” (2Corinthians 11:13-15)
Dear Anon. Thanks for the information. I did not know, that Joel Osteen belongs to the emerging church movement, and that this movement is orchestrated by “Rome.”
You’re welcome Lis. Anyone who preaches a Gospel contrary to the Divinely Inspired Word of God that is in the Bible, belongs to this movement, and like the Scripture says their “end will be according to their works.” Like the Apostle Paul said: 8″But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9)
@Ivar Re:gifts of the Spirit and the Holy Sp speaking to us: AMEN! And I will continue to exhort you as your sister in Christ that I am..it is my obligation if I call myself a follower of Jesus to exhort my dear brothers and sisters in Christ. We are one body beneath the anointing of the Holy Spirit. How sad that anyone who call themselves a follower of Yeshua would attack a family member in Christ so brutally. This is very sad. God bless you Ivar! I hope u are having a beautiful day today as you witness to many!
Osteen is a wolf, a false teacher, an agent of satan. His wife was raised in the “Church of Christ”, which teaches that you must be water baptized to be saved, which is a false gospel that lead to hell, just like the false gospel in catholicism that leads to hell. So if she never repented of the false gospel, then his own wife is not born again. He is a wolf to the extreme, and he says that he gets applause for his “sermons” from atheists even? So that means there is ZERO conviction power in his messages. They aren’t convicting at all, because an atheist can walk away feeling good about themselves and yet remain believing that there is no God at all.
It was from the article that you posted: “I had somebody at my church Sunday who came by afterwards to say, “that was a great sermon,” and coming from an Atheist that means a lot.”
Dear Andy. Shalom. Ooh…I better read the full articles i quote from and link up….Thanks. That Osteen is happy being hailed by Atheists, and that this means a lot to him, exposes him as a religious man of fraud.
dear all Christians, truly love God..please let us walk in LOVE, it is the most important Christian virtue, to be in humility, let God be the judge, we don’t have to always think we are right,,,,,be humble God bless all…..its better to love than to make our points without asking God…
Speaking truth is love, Albert. The Bible tells us that truth is what sets people free. Unfortunately in this wicked day, the watered down ear tickling truth is being preached. Truth brings guilt. Guilt brings confession and apology to God, and confession and apology to God brings a halt to the sinning…which is true repentance. How will people turn away from sin if they do not know what they are doing is killing their soul? They won’t. And that is exactly what Satan wants. Satan wants people to be deceived into hell. He wants people to stop telling the truth. It is the fault of people who preach that truth telling is hatred and judgmental that people are not coming to repentance because they have no guilt for their sin anymore. Instead, they want to delight themselves in a message that only makes them feel good and safe. Woe unto such people for believing such a lie! Praise God for those of us who are not afraid to tell the truth and who see truth as a divine, gracious act of love. If you see someone about to ingest poison, you cry out to them and try to stop them from killing themselves. If you did not, you would be a very shameful person. So it is the same with spiritual, soul killing poison. We who love those ingesting it do not want to see them spend eternity in hell. We cry out in warning to them, and we try to stop them.
Thanks for your reply Lyn. I agree to speak truth but it must be mobilized by love. Based on love, and love is the most powerful spiritual warfare. I’m sure God can chastise whom He loves. If Joel is wrong soon or later He will go to discipline school by God, no body wants to be corrected by humiliation. god bless you..
There is such a thing as righteous anger..and Jesus was God in the flesh…God became angry on many occasions, and Jesus became angry and actually whipped people… I don’t believe we are supposed to whip people, however. What I’m saying is that love comes in many forms. For me, there is enough sugar coated candy Christians to go around ten fold. But, there are not enough of us who are speaking truth. Speaking truth is a form of love. For example. When my children are dong something that will harm them, I quickly and firmly warn them to stop doing this thing. My tone of voice is that of warning and firmness… warning and firmness is a form of love…a very powerful one at that. Because you see, when we warn and we are firm (and I mean in a kind way..I do not promote cursing or hatred as we do so), we will be persecuted, put down, and mocked. But if I just smile and act kindly, or make my words politically correct so as not to offend, I might as well have done nothing at all. It is more of an honor to speak truth..the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, boldly, and be shamed for it than it is to add ear tickling spice. Jesus mentioned the seasoning of salt, and to be the salt of the earth. Let’s look at that in a slightly different light. What happens when you rub salt on a wound? Working in the medical industry, I can tell you, (and most people know this already) that salt actually heals wounds..however, it burns like fire! Let us ponder this. Our truthful words will sting and hurt, but they will heal the wounds of people. And we might be rejected right at the moment. However, we have planted a seed. Maybe a year later that person who rejected us will suffer a loss…and out of nowhere, those words we spoke will spring forth and begin to take root. God bless you.
it’s best to pray and to think carefully before we say anything about the anointed one. Even if they wrong…. we also do wrong.. give Joel Osteen a break, pray for Him ….leave it all to God… Love is the greatest-God is Love, and love does not critizise…
Osteen doesn’t get a break. He is a false teacher, a wolf. The Bible says to expose false teachers. Osteen is leading people to hell. That is not love on his part. He needs to be spoken against. He is full of hate, since true love contains truth (1 Corinthians 13:6). Since Osteen doesn’t teach truth, then he is the one that is full of hate, and we expose him on it.
Dear Alert. Shalom. Grace preacher Joseph Prince? I hope he preach the gospel about Jesus being the only way to heaven? That God’s problem with man is sin, and that those who do not repent, but take pleasure in their life in the flesh, will be judged and face eternity in Hell?
I don’t hate Joel. I love him in Christ, and I feel terrible for him that he has been led astray. It is sad. When I was a teenager with severe anorexia – bulimia… near death, as I am 5’7″ and got down to 64 pounds at the time… he prayed a prayer that moved me. I will never forget that. We need to pray for him. But at the same time, as followers of Yeshua…TRUE followers, we are obligated to defend God’s Truths and the gospel of Jesus Christ, and we are obligated to expose evil, while at the same time loving our enemies and praying for them. I pray that Joel can get on the right path again..I really do..because time is of the essence. He will be judged by God as a shepherd leading the sheep away from the truth..and that is some serious stuff. God bless you, Albert.
@albert: We worship YHVH. It sounds as if you worship Joel Osteen. You will be judged for not defending the Word of God an and not protecting the sheep who are being led astray by the wolves. I will pray for you. Although you won’t want it..us followers of Yeshua are supposed to pray for our enemies. Good day and God bless you.
Dear Andy, it sounds like you are really upset about Joel Osteen, I watched the interview with Larry King, and I thought to my self why didn’t Joel just be so clear and direct that Jesus is the only way to heaven”? But to me I decided not to judge him, because if we do we will carry this hatred, I wouldn’t be commenting about false teachers, I believe in being respectable too,not just beating people with whatever you or we think, where is the compassion, I believe true Christian we don’t just write words that are accusing, judging, negatives,and saying people are misled or deceived, we don’t know everything like God. It’s best we don’t be quick to judge, if Jesus is really our king, prince of peace,then where is the peace”? It has to be balanced, no one is right, only one Jesus is right! God bless you all’..
The Bible tells us that we CAN judge by the fruit produced. God is the final judge…but…do keep in mind…speaking the truth and knowing what is right and what is wrong according to God’s Word is not judging. That is truth telling. If I see a woman scantily clad receiving money from someone on the street…and I say, “She is definitely a hooker!” Then I am judging her. Maybe it is her brother giving her money for dinner..who knows. However, if I see a woman receiving money from a stranger and from her mouth she states she is prostitute..then I am not judging. I am speaking a fact, for the woman herself has admitted what she is. Joel Osteen has spoken it from his mouth..false doctrine and apostasy. Anyone who knows the Word of God knows what he has done… Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. Matthew 7:16, You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Moreover, we can not gather true and anointed doctrine from one who perverts the Word of God.
Dear Albert. Shalom. You wrote: I believe true Christian we don’t just write words that are accusing, judging, negatives,and saying people are misled or deceived, we don’t know everything like God. My reply: So you don’t mind letting the wolfs taking care of the sheep’s?
I like what you wrote, yeah we need to preach the truth, with power otherwise people won’t repent… I believe goodness of God will lead to repentance,..but some people still don’t want to repent even after so many goodness and patience from God?
Nope. Sinfulness and corruption has spread like wildfire. Just as Jesus said, “As it was in the days of Noah…” it is now. Many will hear the truth, be given chance after chance, and still will not repent. They will wait until it is too late, and there will be no more chances. (sigh) I wish people could realize that they are playing in the devil’s playground, and they need to get off of it immediately. Time is short. The children of YHVH must be separate from the world, and they must be ready. Jesus is crying out, “Ready or not! Here I come!” But will they be ready???
I don’t know who you’re referring to as the anointed one, but if it’s Joel Osteen you are being misled/ misguided. There are serious consequences for those who teach and preach a ‘different gospel,’ that leads others to destruction. The Apostle Paul said: “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9). God will be the Judge of us all. In the mean time if given the opportunity, we should always speak the truth, always in love, to those going down the road not leading to eternal life. That’s not criticism, that’s love. God bless you.
Many times he talked like this. Why not his church send him to a bible college to get some degree on Christian theology. We should know that empty vessels sound much. He even does not know John 14:6, and the meaning of being born again, John 3:3-5.
The Bible says to judge doctrine. Judging doctrine is not “hating”. Judging doctrine is loving. Since God’s love must include truth (1 Corinthians 13:6). If a person doesn’t teach God’s truth, then they don’t have God’s love. That is why Osteen is a hater of mankind, since he teaches lies, then that proves that Osteen is the hater.
I disagree with your on going harsh comment Andy about Joel osteen-you don’t sound like a Christian at all,and if you are your comments will be much more Christ like..and I think you are full of hate towards another human being, you are full of judgement and very critical, you should repent! you are too religious , fanactics Read the bible…be full of God’s compassion and love, I bet you Joel is doing much more in helping people more than you have done, that’s why He is well known. You think Joel does not have God’s love, but Joel never commented evil about you at all , but yet you have been commenting all this hars words. The true Christian is not attacking!
Albert, I agree with Andy and Ivar. We must correct the wolves in sheeps clothing, in hopes they will repent. Let us not stand by and do nothing. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
Albert, You can call it whatever you want. But I choose to use the Word of God to first let people know how Jesus saves, and among other things, to correct those who as Ivar described perfectly, wolves in sheep clothing.
Jesus called people wolves (Matthew 7:15), whitewashed tombs (Matthew 23:29), fathered by the devil (John 8:44), and many other things. Peter called people brute beasts (2 Peter 2:12), and dogs and pigs (2 Peter 2:22). John called people antichrists (1 John 4:2). So apparently you have never read the Bible. The “jesus” that you worship, is not the Jesus of the Bible, who was very rough against false teachers, who called them devils and wolves and told people to expose them and avoid them. The true Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, would have been called “unchristlike” by you. Osteen is a wolf, a false teacher, a son of satan, who leads people to hell.
Andy, I couldn’t have said it better myself. When it comes to Biblical Truth, there is no mincing words, we have to tell it like it is. I think Albert is under ‘strong delusion’ and following the ‘doctrine of demons.’ Anyone who cannot discern truth from deception is in peril of believing anything. Many are being deceived by the likes of Joel Osteen and others who are promoting a ‘different gospel.’ God bless you for speaking the Truth.
try not to focus on others, how about check your own walk with God. i’m so surprised there are so many judgemental and negative religious people out there, lack of humility and love……….repent!
Wait a minute. Re read what you are saying about us… and you are saying we are judgmental? You need to repent for perverting the Word of God. God would prefer us cold or hot over lukewarm. You are what I call a Woodstock Hippie Jesus Christian…the ones who preach MAKE LOVE NOT WAR. You are of a perverted type of Christian. If you are that offended, why don’t you go elsewhere? Why do you continue commenting? Why would you want your name and icon on a blog full of truth tellers? Why don’t you go somewhere where there are a bunch of ear ticklers to tickle your fancy?
Anon, God bless you. We are beginning the days, apparently, when people don’t want to hear sound doctrine. They want to hear fluffy lies. And every liar is a hater by default. Keep preaching the truth! There aren’t many doing that.
I so many Nasty Christians labels, labels only. Using scriptures to suit their own desires to condemns and to attack others and to take justice in their own words…they are vipers them self, like a white cemetery. At Least Joel does not condemns others, maybe jealousy is the issue and pride? …If you guys are truly Christians prove your fruit of the spirit otherwise you are no different to scribes. This is why the world hate Christianity and church because of your attitudes towards other Christians, no forgiveness, no kindness, very sad! Mahatma Gandhi said”" I like you Jesus but I don’t like your followers(judgemental, prideful)
There is therefore now no condemnation for those of us who are IN Christ Jesus. — Maybe Joel Is not IN Christ Jesus..because according to this verse…there is no condemnation if we are IN Christ Jesus. But if we are outside of Him..then that’s a different story apparently. I agree with what someone else said here earlier..you read a different Bible. You seem more hostile and angry than any of us.
Dear Albert Modoch Shalom. You wrote: This is why the world hate Christianity and church because of your attitudes towards other Christians, no forgiveness, no kindness, very sad! My comment: It is nice that many people have a lot of opinions, but you need to read more in your Bible. Mark 13:13 Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Albert, Joel Osteen is the one that hates everybody, because he refuses to tell them the truth, and instead, insists on lying to people. Therefore Osteen is the hater, he hates everybody that hears him. For, if he loved his hearers, he would tell them the truth. Since you reject the Bible and insist on the lies of Osteen, you will have nothing but unbelievers like Gandhi to quote. Gandhi hated the truth too, so like Osteen, he led people to hell. That’s not love. That’s hate. Osteen and Gandhi, the haters of mankind.
Dear Andy. Shalom. In principle I agree with you. But not everything is black or white. Very few persons “only good” or “only evil”. There are colors, and shades of gray. Some teachers are confused. One of them is Joel Osteen. Very often we hear him answer critical questions with. “Oh, I’m not sure, I feel, but”, etc. We hardly hear him using the scriptures to defend his faith (or whatever we shall call his messages). As you have said: Do this man read the Bible? We need to pray for Him, and the 50.000 people who sit and listen to this confused man every Sunday. And the millions of people who have read his books, and found nothing fishy and false. Not to forget all who hail him, watching his programs on God-Tv. The challenge with people who have been deceived, is that if they knew about the deception, they would leave the deception. No deceived soul desire to live i deception. Not even Joel Osteen.
Ivar, While I do understand what you’re trying to say to Andy I have this to say. If you are a teacher and you are ‘confused’ by what the Word of God says, then maybe God does not want you to teach. Not everyone is called to ‘teach,’ most these days are in it for money. Blinded by ‘mammon.’ That is why we have all of the Wolves in Sheep’s clothing. I just want to say that when it comes to the word of God, there is no compromise. It is black or white. For me, there is no gray. God bless you. “And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Peter 1:19-21.
Shalom to you Ivar. You are absolutely correct. We are all called to study God’s word so we may not be deceived by false doctrine. Also to be able to give to anyone that asks, reason for the ‘hope’ that we have in Christ. The good news of the ‘Gospel’ of salvation and eternal life. thanks for answering.
Christians and preachers that attack or criticize another preachers and christans they have forgotten what they are forgiven of,.. You all talk about truth but your words coming out like GRAVE…. Speak truth in LOVE- find out about LOVE… JOEL,OSTEEN IS GOD’s anointed still, if you are perfect or never did wrong in your life, be the first to throw the first Rock!
No one is forgiven until they repent. Your form of repentance would be me sitting here with a cigarette in my hand, and after each puff saying I’m sorry as I take another big puff off of it. True repentance is this: Guilt/shame+Admittance of fault+Apology to God and/or those offended+CEASE THE BEHAVIOR Then God forgives. Repentance is necessary to salvation. There is a verse that people like yourself often use, but you forget one important word in it. Here it is: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus, who DO NOT WALK ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, but according to the Spirit. There is no condemnation if you are IN CHRIST JESUS. If you are outside of His well, well then, I”m afraid there is condemnation for you. And, for those who DO NOT walk according to the flesh. You are on dangerous ground, Albert. You need to study your Bible and make sure of what you preach. Because I tell you this..you are among the lukewarm who God is going to VOMIT out of His mouth! And that is a dangerous place to be! You need to get on your hands and your knees asap and tell God you are sorry and change your ways before you lead anyone else astray with this deception. Revelation 3:15-16 New King James Version (NKJV) 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[a] I will vomit you out of My mouth. If you are right, Albert..the Bible is a lie. If you are wrong, the Bible is true. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you admit you are wrong, or you call God’s Word a lie. Your theory goes against God’s Word. Do you put yourself above God? I hate to burst your bubble..but Jesus DID NOT die to make it okay for you, or anyone to sin. And I will defend God’s Word to the grave! And those who do not defend God’s Word..like you..are shameful to the Body of Christ!
Lyne, If we are saved only while we are living in a constant state of repentance as you seem to describe, then we have no hope, because nobody is at any time without sin. The blood of Christ atones for the sin of those who receive him. Paul describes the consequences of a Christian walking after the flesh: [1 Corinthians 3] “If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet WILL BE SAVED—even though only as one escaping through the flames.” The scripture you quote has to be considered in context of Paul lamenting his own failure to live a sinless life. It is therefore obvious that Paul wasn’t saying that his failure meant he was going to be sent to Hell. Jesus says he loses none of those God gave him.
Let’s look at the Bible as a whole…from beginning to end..and let’s discuss how God feels about sin and our salvation. Let me also leave you with this verse: Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV) I Never Knew You 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Lyn, Old testament: “Abraham believed God, and God counted that belief as righteousness” New testament: “By grace are we saved through faith. And that faith is not our own, it’s a gift from God” We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ’s atoning blood ALONE. He who does the will of Jesus’ father is the one who believes in him. Obedience should be the result of our gratitude for the free gift of salvation, not an attempt to buy what is already freely given. The treasure we are encouraged to lay up in heaven does not include salvation. When Christ died to pay the price of our sin, it was for all our sin – past, present and future. Otherwise we are in a hopeless situation because we are constantly sinning. Sin means to miss the mark. Not just being a druggie, or an adulterer. Lacking faith in our walk with Christ is sin too! “All have sinned and fell short of the glory of God”. “If a man says he is without sin he is a liar”. If you think the guy in the video has got it right, tell me at what point the balance of sin over righteousness tips a person who has accepted Christ into Hell. And tell me how Jesus can lose anyone God has given him when he says he won’t. If Paul tells us there are some who will get into heaven with nothing more than the robe of righteousness, who are we to say it should be stripped from their backs?
Hey Philmayo. God bless you and enjoy the debate. I’ve debated on this subject long enough. And quite honestly, I don’t think Jesus wants His children wasting their time on people whose hearts are hardened and have been led astray with no convictions… it is foolishness! I think He wants us ministering to those who are hungry. You and some others here are full…full of deception and yourselves. I have other things I need to do… I have people who are open to hear the truth to minister to. The Bible says DO NOT CAST YOUR PEARLS BEFORE THE SWINE. And so I relent. God bless you. I will not waste my time replying to you or any of the other deceived ones who are filled with spirits of deception. I have books to edit, people to witness to, and three blogs to run. Take care.
Dear philmayo7909 and Lyn. Shalom, and love in Jesus. I do not think Paul planned to sin. Neither do I. But the flesh is surely weak…Like: If Paul was attracted to women, He must surely have had many temptations coming his way. Paul has not explained what he did, that he should not have been doing. But he display his weaknesses. Romans 7:18-20 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it James 5: 14-16 in not for non-believers, but for us who are saved, but still do foolish things, like sinning. Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
Lyn,Philmayo Have been reading your post’s and agree with both of you. While each has a particular bent in regards to salvation. ie; Repentance required and grace through faith. I have been meditating the last couple of weeks about the phrase “in Christ”. This is one of the questions that comes out of the New Testament or New Covenant. Are you in Christ. What does that mean? It is a question that has to do with belonging. To be in something one has to get into it. Many people get in something. An organization, an event. To get in you must decide first that you want to get in. To get or be “in Christ” first starts with faith. Believing him,understanding what he has done for you and trusting in him alone. If that belief is genuine and God knows if it is, something instantly and spiritually happens. A baptism by God takes place. Your nature is put to death. And a new nature is given to you which is resurrected. II Cor 5:17 if any man is in Christ he is a new creation. Old things are passed away(put to death) and everything becomes new. Knowing that you have been resurrected with a new nature you are ,now free to walk in newness of life. By your first birth you are in Adam which is part of the old creation which was foiled and cursed. By your second birth you are “in Christ which is part of the new creation. In Christ you have been born again. To sin is not what you do, nor is it what you want to do. You are not a sinner anymore. That is not to say that you don’t sin, but its not what you want to do. Your desire “in Christ” is to be holy. You are righteous and that is how God looks at you and see’s you through his son. So many say “We are sinners” but in Christ you are not a sinner anymore, because that sinful person was put to death. And was raised As a new person part of a new creation. The trouble with so many is that they don’t know who they are “in Christ”. They still think that the old person still exists. If the old person still exists Then it’s very possible that the baptism of God did not occur because that persons belief was not real. And God knows if it is Or not. We must always be examining ourselves to see if we are of the faith as Peter writes. Are you the same now as you were Before you believed. Do you love Jesus, does it bother you when you sin. Do you deliberately try not to sin or do you deliberately try to sin. Are you sinning less now than you used too? When you rise in the morning do you look at the day ahead and ask God to make it be a day to honor and please him or is it contrary to that. This is how we examine ourself. Remember who you are in Christ. Everything that is yours in Christ is opposite outside of him. The New Testament or New Covenant question is ” Are you in Christ
Dear Lyn. Shalom, and love in Jesus. Paul Washer has a lot of interesting stuff to share. But I do not agree with all he says. Like, his extreme views on persecution., and telling gatherings of people that most of them will not make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. If someone in my colony do not throw stones after me today, do not imply that I am not a true follower of Jesus. Washer is radical, but some of his stuff is counter productive, and pushes people away from the truth.
I agree, Ivar. I think he is a bit too harsh on some points..but there were a few things he said that applied to the discussion. My favorite is J.D. Farag, Perry Stone, and Walid Shoebat. But I will be sure and not post anymore of his videos here. This is your blog. Sorry.
Hey Todd. God bless you. I left a video for you, but as I just said to someone else here, and I haven’t read your comment because I do not really have time for it. But I’m not commenting anymore on this particular post. People who want to hear the truth will hear it. People who want to pervert God’s Word are more lost than those who don’t know Jesus at all, and in a more dangerous place. I will pray for you.
Dear Lyn. Shalom, and love in Jesus. If you do not have time to read Todd’s comment, why do you expect him to find time to read your video-link? As a follower of Jesus the Messiah, this was not an appropriate reply. There seems to be a need for an apology.
Ivar…I apologize if it came across that way. I was actually just trying to be honest to let him know that I had not read it word for word..but instead skimmed it…as I had many things going on at once (a problem with my children, my phone ringing, and a problem with my checking account…) and was also getting frustrated with everyone wanting to argue instead of realizing that the Word of God is true. So my stating this fact to him was not attempting to be rude to him in the way you might have taken it…rather, just being honest that I did not get to read his entire comment. It is easy online when typing words to get misunderstood..or to misunderstand..so I should have been more clear. Sorry, Ivar, that you are upset with me. God bless you.
Dear Lyn. Shalom. Apology accepted. Do not stress. Remember your are saved by faith, alone. Not by works that can not save. Please relax, and experience that you are saved. Enjoy just being.
Thank you Ivar. But I am very passionate about the truth being preached..and because of that passion, I become zealous to protect the Word of God. The false teachers of this day make me very, very angry. God has called me to tell people time is short and to repent… and so this is why I have this passion inside of me. Please remember, Ivar..if I were speaking these things I come across much differently..as do most of us, I am sure. I think many of misunderstandings online is that we all tend to read a negative tone in people’s words that is not there. For example, I am a compassionate, forgiving, loving person..and that is the way I speak. Yet, online, my words probably come across harsh and angry. This is the case when we have no real facial expression, tone of voice, or body language to go along with black and white words.
Washer’s video doesn’t contradict anything I have said about the motivation to follow Jesus must be gratitude and love rather than an attempt to buy salvation with good works. You see, this is the problem with the “doctrine of works lie”. It is so subtle. And those who use it to accuse others forget the fact that they too will only get into heaven because of the blood of Christ. For some people, the thief on the cross next door would have been told ‘NO WAY’.
I do not believe in doctrines of works. Many of you misunderstand me. God bless. I believe when we are truly saved, we will make mistakes and we will sin. However, we can’t live IN sin and we need to repent (do away with it) if we are. Slipping up from time to time is different from living in a state of sin. For example, living with someone outside of wedlock and having sex with them regularly. Anyone living in outright blatant disobedience and sin against God’s will must repent. I don’t know how else to say it. Apparently, you are not understanding me because if we are all in agreement that Joel Osteen is wrong in what he is preaching..and I am saying no different. Forgive me, please.. I do not mean any rudeness whatsoever… but I am growing frustrated trying to explain myself and nobody understands what I am saying. However, since i can’t seem to come across correctly, just know that I do not believe in doctrines of works..however, there must be a significant change in our heart when we marry ourselves to Christ by accepting salvation. Salvation cost Jesus His blood..and it is free for us to take. But we must be in Christ. We can’t live like we used to live before we were saved. That’s all I’m saying. Gotta run. God bless.
Lyn, I haven’t in any way defended Joel Osteen. Anyone who teaches a way to salvation other than by faith in Christ is an Antichrist. But anyone who teaches that unrepented sin in a Christian’s life means they have lost the salvation they received as a free gift, is in fact saying they were saved by their own righteousness. After all it is a lack of personal righteousness (sinful life-style) that you seem to be saying is the cause of that loss of salvation. And if that was true you should be able to tell me at what point in the life of a new born Christian do they accumulate enough righteousness to become saved in the first place. Because I have yet to meet one who is instantly transformed through the renewing of their mind. Or is imediately bearing fruit of the Spirit. The only righteousness that is acceptable to God is that of Christ. Our own is as filthy rags. The law is one. Break the least commandment, and you are guilty of breaking it all. There is a price to pay for sin. Ultimately that price is Hell. But for Christians that price was paid, and they are redeemed. That doesn’t mean they won’t suffer the consequences of sin in their lives. We are servants to the one we yield to, and Satan is a hard master. Give him a handle on your life, and he will destroy it. As I already said: the lie of salvation by works is subtle. It has infiltrated the Church through the slight misinterpretation of numerous passages of scripture, to the extent that many don’t even realise they are preaching it. Most would point at Adventists as an example of living under law rather than grace, without realising they have a fair size dose of the same disease. I respectfully suggest you take a look on Andrew Wommack’s website. This is a man who preaches the same gospel that Paul preached. It’s a gospel that releases people to serve God, rather than weighing them down with the never-ending guilt and fear of missing the mark.
So do you believe a person who practices homosexuality, takes drugs, and prostitutes themselves can get saved and continue living this way and still go to heaven. Is that correct? Because I disagree. I would say the person was never truly saved. As long as we live in a body of flesh, we will make mistakes and sin. However, a person who is truly saved can’t live as the unsaved or they are not truly saved. Although we do definitely disagree on some issues here, you are misunderstanding me to a point. If what you are saying is correct, then where do you disagree with Osteen? He says gays can go to heaven. Where do you feel Joel is wrong because it sounds to me like you agree with him. Jesus did NOT die to make it okay for us to sin. Yes, we are saved by works..and not of ourselves..it is a gift of God. We did nothing to deserve the gift of salvation. However, though we sin and make mistakes, we don’t live in it. Like I said, it sounds to me like you are saying you can take Jesus into your heart, and if you continue in sin, you will suffer here on earth, but still make it to heaven. Realizing that there is a huge difference between messing up and sinning and living in it… I totally disagree with that. If I have taken Jesus into my heart, yet I’m married and having an affair with my boss….and I’m an alcoholic and a prostitute, and I do not repent for this (repent, meaning, guilt+confession of sin to God+CEASE the behavior(s)), I do not believe for the life of me that I will go to heaven if I die. This makes a mockery out of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ altogether. Like I said, Jesus did not die to make it okay for me to sin. In my opinion, your way is the easy way out. It makes my sin okay. In your way of thinking, I should repent because it’s wrong to sin, however, I really don’t need to repent..and so there will never be a reason to truly be convicted for my sin to where I need to change my life of sin. What is the point of getting saved, then? Your way would would be like a man who robs banks and stores on a regular basis who buys a better gun to defend himself should the police come to arrest him. In other words, salvation is a security in case you die..an insurance policy. I have ready and studied the entire Bible… and I’ve listened to sound doctrine… I don’t believe we lose our salvation because we make mistakes and sin from time to time. You’ve got me wrong there. I don’t believe we earn our salvation. You’ve got me wrong there too. But I don’t believe that if we ask Jesus into our hearts we can go on LIVING IN a state of sin and unrepentance and truly call ourselves born again. Born again means starting over…beginning our NEW life IN Christ. You can’t live IN sin and be IN Christ. I would much rather live my life in Christ to the fullest than to be wrong and find out when it’s too late. If you’re truly in love with someone, you want to please them and you want to spend all your time with them, and be loyal to them. Until I truly fell in love with the Lord, I couldn’t please Him. I loved what I knew about Him, but wasn’t actually in love with Him. This was my problem. So I strive to live in Christ because I am truly, madly and deeply in love with Him. And when you are, it makes things so much easier. No offense to you, and with all due respect, but I have shared now exactly how I feel and what I believe. I would really appreciate it if we could stop arguing the matter and if we could move on. You are not going to change my belief, and i”m not going to change yours. To argue the matter further seems senseless, pointless, and unbeneficial to the glory of God. Again, not trying to be rude..just telling you in advance so you do not think me rude..but this will be my last reply on this matter to you, or anyone else. Enough said. God bless you.
Lyn, you said: “So do you believe a person who practices homosexuality, takes drugs, and prostitutes themselves can get saved and continue living this way and still go to heaven. Is that correct? Because I disagree. I would say the person was never truly saved.” I assume you forgot that you asked me the above question by the time you got to your last sentence, because you finished by telling me not to reply. But I will reply, if only so others will learn of the grace of God… I do know a man who did all that. And a lot more besides. I helped him when he was out of his head on glue. I counselled him when he was suicidal, and I visited him in hospital more than once after he had slashed his wrists. I gave him work on several occasions, and he always stole from me, or cheated me in other ways. I haven’t seen him for a long time, but the last time I spoke to him, he seemed to have grown in the Lord. And I praise God for his mercy and patience with that man whom it took him years to release from the sin that bound him. You said: “If you’re truly in love with someone, you want to please them and you want to spend all your time with them, and be loyal to them. Until I truly fell in love with the Lord, I couldn’t please Him. I loved what I knew about Him, but wasn’t actually in love with Him. This was my problem. So I strive to live in Christ because I am truly, madly and deeply in love with Him. And when you are, it makes things so much easier.” So you too, just like me, were guilty of not obeying the greatest commandment: Love the Lord your God with all your heart… But we were both still saved during that sin, weren’t we? I mean we can’t claim we didn’t know, or just slipped up, or that it’s not as big a sin as those my friend did because it’s the greatest commandment, right? Salvation begins with repenting the one sin that makes the difference between heaven or hell. And that’s rejecting Jesus Christ. What follows is the clean-up operation!
QUICK CORRECTION on my last reply: THIS—>Yes, we are saved by works..and not of ourselves..it is a gift of God.<—- Instead, I meant to write "Yes, we are NOT saved by works…and not of ourselves…it is a gift of God."
Osteen is under the principle of James 3:1, by putting himself in front of people and presenting himself as a teacher of people. James 3:1 is a very strong warning to not teach unless there is surety of what is being taught. Since Osteen does not follow the Bible, then he is in far more danger. The only thing I can bring myself to pray for, is that people are delivered away from Osteen’s poison, and that Osteen be saved if he is not saved. According to his own doctrines, since he does not believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, then he might not be saved.
Well said Andy. As a ‘teacher’ he will be held to a higher standard. I just hope and pray that he, as well as the people he’s leading come to the knowledge of the truth before it’s too late. Time is indeed short.
Very true, Anon. You are right, time is short. But it’s getting worse with Osteen, not better. He says that mormons are Christians (???), he says that he isn’t prepared to say that Jesus is the only way to heaven (double ???), and he will teach there for decades without having gone through most of any of the verses of the Bible. Thus, he can’t be called a Bible teacher, and since he isn’t a Bible teacher, then he isn’t a pastor, and since he doesn’t preach the Gospel, then he is only there to make money.
God did say that in the last days there would be ‘strong delusion,’ and everything He has told us in advance is unfolding before our eyes. People like Joel and the many others like him, are just a great example of the truthfulness of the Word of God. Many will believes the lies, because they did not have love of the truth. “because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.” Romans 1:19-21
Excellent Lyn. Wish we had more preachers like Paul Washer.. Instead we have more Osteens than Washers. Washer is right when he says that the people who listen to Joel will have no excuse because he’s saying to them exactly what their itching ears want to hear, the ‘happy gospel.’
Amen Anon! I found it on accident. I was looking for a good preaching post to publish on my prophecy news website..and thought this was perfect for this discussion! I hope everyone opposed to us and what we’re trying to say watches the video too. And I hope the Holy Spirit opens their hearts, their ears, and their eyes..before it is too late. Being honest, firm, and real is love. Being false and fake is not. I would rather someone who says they love me tell me the truth any day of the week, even if it’s NOT what I want to hear, than I would they lie to me.
No accident, he’s one of the few good men left. I listen to Paul Washer quite often. You can also try John MacArthur.at gty.org. This world is truly upside down, and very quickly going to hell in the proverbial hand-basket. God bless Lyn. Come quickly Lord!
Interesting video. I was brought up an atheist, so I didn’t consider the sins he describes as being sinful. In fact the only thing the Holy Spirit convicted me of was the Jesus is alive, and Jesus is Lord. It was over a period of time that through reading the Bible I became aware of my sins. I wander at what point in my walk with Jesus he would say I became saved.
Dear Albert. Shalom. You wrote: ALL YOU DO IS LOOKING TO SHOOT….WHY NOT LOOK TO BLESS..? THE BIBLE SAYS TO BLESS NOT CURSE..WAKE UP ! Haters My comment: God hates sin. Likewise, true Christians hate sins, and call people to repent. That you do not mind the candy coated messages from men like Joel Osteen, will eventually lead you into trouble. Let me ask you some simple questions: 1. Is there any other God, than the God that took the Hebrews out of Egypt? 2. Is Jesus the Messiah the only way to the Father in Heaven? 3. Can men escape Hell if they do not accept Jesus as Lord and God? 4. Will Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus and New Ager’s have to spend eternity in Hell? 5. Is the Bible, alone, the highest authority in all matter’s of who God is? Please answer these question, before you pass on more comments.
Shalom Ivar, I just wanted to make one comment re: Albert if I may. There are many like him who go to websites, and do exactly what he’s doing, distracting others from the issue at hand, and involving them in useless disputes. That’s want they do. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing. Still, i can’t wait to see how he answers the questions you have asked him.
BTW..you have proven that you do not want to hear the truth because you ignore it and argue over nothing but lies of Satan. We stand on truth..Albert. And YES WE ARE HATERS! We are haters of Satan and the kingdom of hell! Praise the Lord! Thank you so much for noticing our hatred for Satan’s lies and deceptions…that is awesome! God bless you for that, Albert! You have made my day! Those of us who stand on God’s Truth will be persecuted..even more by the wolves in sheep’s clothing..like yourself.
Love tells the truth (1 Corinthians 13:6). It is a blessing to people to hear that Osteen is a false teacher. A blessing to them, so that they know to avoid his poison.
Dear Andy, telling the truth…what is truth? Truth is reality of a thing,,,,,and the original information, GOD’s very source of character is LOVE, YOU SAY TELL THENTRUTH IS LOVE, THAT’s half truth, YOU CAN USE GOD’s WORD TO JUDGE PEOPLE OR ATTACK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR CLAIM IS NOT FULLY TRUE, YOU SHOULD BECAREFUL ON USING WORD LIKE FALSE TEACHER OR PREACHER, AND EVEN WHEN IT IS TRUE, WE ALL SHOULD KEEP THAT PURE HEART ATTITUDE , WHAT ABOUT WHEN GOD SAYS LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY, WHEN YOU CARRY THE LOVE OF GOD INSIDE, BUT THE WORDS COMINGNOUT IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE SPIRIT, THEN YOU CONTRADICT YOUR FAITH…A TRUE MAN OF GOD WILL KNOW HOW TO USE WORDS,..YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORD EVERY THOUGHT COMES TO YOUR MIND, I AM VERY SAD, SO MANY CHRISTIAN LOVES TO JUDGE AND ATTACK ANOTHER…USING THE WORD “TELLING THE TRUTH IS LOVE”….please check the heart attitude…your inner spirit, the holy spirit? If you still continue to think your behaviour is justifiable then I cannot comment no more, and I doubt you LOVE WALK-I regret your personal relationship with GOD- because if you all love to judge then you don’t have time to LOVE THEM,..REPENT!!!! Because the KINGDOM OF GOD IS LOVE…NOT WORDS BUT POWER,,LOVE IS POWERFUL, JUDGEMENTAL SPIRIT IS OF DEMONS,,,GOD LOVES YOU ALL
Albert. Shalom, and a message based on the true love of Jesus. You reply tells me that you are not interested in answering my questions. So to not bother writing more comments on this site. If I do not see answers, you next massage will be spammed. Editor.
The last thing I would like to say on this issue to anyone who might think that I am promoting the idea that salvation by faith alone means we can live a life of sin with impunity; is this: They accused the apostle Paul of teaching that same thing. This is why he went to great lengths to prove that he wasn’t. And if the gospel you preach doesn’t attract similar accusations, it isn’t the same gospel that Paul preached.
Well said. The true Gospel will always have someone out there saying “well that means you can just sin it up!”. That accusation will always come at some point, if a person is preaching the true Gospel. Because the true Gospel is that free of a gift. Thus Paul’s response to the person saying “sin it up”, would be, shall we continue in sin? God forbid.
“Participating in common prayer to mark the start of Francis’s papacy highlights the ecumenical dimension of our shared spiritual life, the heart of what we share as Christians.”
Olav Fykse Tveit share his spiritual life with an antichrist in Rome.
The general secretary of the World Council of Churches (WCC) Rev. Dr Olav Fykse Tveit attended the mass in which Pope Francis, the new pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church, was installed on 19 March at the Vatican in Rome. Tveit joined prominent religious and political leaders from around the world at the mass in St Peter’s Square, marking the official start of Francis’s papacy.
A colorful gathering of spiritual harlots, haling the ‘holy see”.
Ecumenical leaders present at the installation included Bartholomew I, the first Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople to attend a papal installation since the schism of 1054. Tveit attended the event in order to give a “significant expression of the WCC’s collaboration with the Roman Catholic Church, as well as our mutual commitment to church unity and the ecumenical movement.” “In close collaboration with Pope Francis, we look forward to building on this positive relationship with the Catholic Church that has been nurtured so carefully in the past,” stated Tveit in his letter to the new pope on 13 March. Tveit assured Pope Francis of his prayers. “Participating in common prayer to mark the start of Francis’s papacy highlights the ecumenical dimension of our shared spiritual life, the heart of what we share as Christians.” “Let us use this opportunity to pray for and with Pope Francis to reconfirm that we need one another, to address the challenges of the world in our time,” said Tveit. Source: World Council of Churches. My comment: Church reformer Martin Luther called the Pope for an antichrist. I guess He would have used the same name for men like Olav Fykse Tveit. Despite being a Lutheran theologian, claiming to stand on the lesson of the Reformation. To “share the spiritual life” with Roman Catholics, is to approve of their blasphemy and sin against the Holy Spirit. On News That Matters, there is more than 50 articles about the Popes approval of worship of bones, corpses and skulls. You can read these files, pressing this link.
Revelation 17:5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.
The book of Revelation exposes the whore of Babylon. She claims to know “god”, but she is the mother of all harlots. What we are seeing in our days, is that the harlots are returning home to their mother. All kinds of apostate protestant Churches, are returning home to their mother in Rome. True Messianic Baptist Churches, can simply not “return home”. Because they never came out of Rome, but has its roots back in the Apostolic age. They have never bowed before the Papacy, and they never will. In their millions, they chose to die like martyrs, refusing to bow before the Papacy and his “mother of God”. Do likewise. Repent or perish. Written by Ivar
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I can’t for the love of it, understand why you are using the term “Rev.” about Olav Fykse Tveit. Do you revere him? What does the Bible say about titles like that. That is like using the title “prophet” for Muhammed. He was no more prophet than Fykse Tveit is a man to be revered. Their name alone will suffice. IMHO.
Why are “Christians” in Scandinavia lukewarm? Because they have went astray, and they even don’t know it themselves. “Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach”. Hebrews 13:13.
Hello Israel og Endetiden, When you wrote, “…they even don’t know it themselves.” that is the sad part. Like it says in Revelation Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: “…and knowest not that thou art wretched…..” “…and knowest not…” What is really sad is some are, and will stay, willingly ignorant.
Yes, amazing times. I believe we are seeing Matthew 24 being fulfilled right before our eyes. Especially this part, Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
It is good to have acknowledged who the Mother of harlots is. But how do you Identify her daughters? No other way other than looking at it from a natural phenominon. The blood that runs in the mother also runs in her daughters! Though they may differ in bodily appearance but the same blood runs right in their veins. What is the blood that runs in the veins of the Church? None other than DOCTRINES! Though their name differ but they have traces of same doctrines or teachings! Though the denominations and the Pentecostals claim to differ from their Mother, but their teachings show they lie. They claim not to be Roman Catholics but in the real sense of it, they are! Every Church or organization that holds the Doctrines that originated from the Mother is her daughter. For example, baptism in titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Three God’s in One (Holy Trinity), women ordained as ministers, Bible colleges, celebration of Christmas and Easter, wrong titles to ministers other than the five fold of Eph 4 etc… Don’t be deceived! You may think you haven’t bowed to the devil but he is smarter than the Church! It takes Christ the Word to expose him else you are off too!
March 21, 2013 St John’s church and Syed Shah Mustafa Jama Masjid in Aberdeen to be one and the same.
An Imam will soon pray to this altar of priest Isaac Poobalan in Aberdeen.
Setting an example of religious coexistence, a Scottish church has become the first in the United Kingdom to share its premises with Muslims to help them perform their daily prayers. “Religion does not play a role when it comes to friendship and hospitality,” the rector of St John’s church, Rev Isaac Poobalan told The Guardian. “They transcend the religious divide.” The Syed Shah Mustafa Jama Masjid in Aberdeen has become unable to accommodate the growing numbers of worshippers, leaving many Muslims to pray in the streets. This prompted St. John’s church officials to offer help to Muslims to perform their religious duties. “If they all squeezed in very tightly about 60 or 70 people could fit inside,” said Poobolan. Source: Onislam.net My comment: Since Islam says: “allah” have no son equal to Him self, this “god” can simply not be the God of the Bible. Because Father, Son and Holy Spirit is One God. Equally God. The Bible speaks about “gods” that are not “gods” at all, but demons. To permit Muslims to pray inside Churches, is of no use for the Kingdom of Heaven. And since their “allah” is no “god” at all, they invite deceptive spirits to enter both buildings and hearts. In an eternal perspective, this is a punishable crime. Those who indulge in this, will not escape judgment.
He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
People are lead astray, and into the eternal fire of Hell. Blessed by the Anglican priests and bishops, who have permitted this falsehood to take place. If they do not repent, they will share the same destiny as the Muslims they have invited. Repent or perish Published by Ivar
First Greek Orthodox leader in thousand years to attend Pope’s inaugural mass.
Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople.
Pope Francis will celebrates his inaugural Mass tomorrow. Seated on his right will be cardinals, bishops and — for the first time in over 1,000 years at a Mass of this kind — the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. On his left will be heads of state and ministers including President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Vice President Joe Biden and congresswoman Nancy Pelosi. Delegations from 132 countries have confirmed their presence at the ceremony which officially marks the beginning of Pope Francis’s pontificate. These include six reigning sovereigns, 31 heads of state, three crown princes, 11 heads of government and many other dignitaries. But the Vatican, keen to avoid accusations that it had invited the likes of Jesuit-educated Mugabe to the Mass, has stressed that no one received invitations. “The delegations are coming to Rome following information of the event made public by the [Vatican] Secretary of State,” said Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi. “There were no ‘invitations’ sent out. All who wish to come are warmly welcomed.” Source: Newsmax.com My comment: When Jesus the Messiah faced the religious authorities in Jerusalem, they persecuted Him. The men who worked for Rome crucified Him. When the Pope in Rome face the World, He is hailed by all religious leaders. Even dictators travel seven seas across to honor the claimed “Holy Father”. There seems to be something fishy here, that has absolutely nothing to do with the Holy Spirit. We know that the last and final antichrist shall be worshiped of almost all men. Only those who obey the Word of God will call the bluff, and expose the bluff makers.
Psalm 1:1-3
1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, 2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night. 3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers.
Stay away from this assembly of the wicked. Written by Ivar
March 20, 2013 Every January, the Pope greets a corps of 178 Ambassadors inside the Vatican. They all hail the Pontiff.
Who is like the Pope? Representatives of all kind of religious nations hail him, inside his kingdom established as a statehood.
The Vatican Statehood is unique. The Pope is the only religious leader who has been gifted immunity from prosecution. He can not be put for trial outside of the Vatican, as long as he do not commit war crimes. The Pope is above the law, and is not touchable. Still he is worshiped by leaders who represent all nations and religions, dictatorships and democracies alike. The pontiff fits perfectly into this Bible verse. Revelation 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. It is amazing that the US and Iran both have representatives hailing the Pope, even though they can not sit eye to eye in the United Nations.
The US Ambassador and the Iranian Ambassador at the same Vatican party.
Will the Pope be able to bring them into a final “peace agreement”? The beast in the Vatican, came to power by another beast. From 1929, they were riding together. 1929 was the year, fascist leader Benito Mussolini gifted the Pope a statehood inside the capital of Italy.
Nazi Germany had warm diplomatic relations with the Vatican. The Popes ambassador in Berlin, Nuncio Orsenigo celebrated Hitlers birthday in 1939.
Revelation 17:17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.
The Pope in front of the diplomatic corps in the Vatican.
It is worth understanding that“Catholic Mary” in the book of Revelation, is used as a name of the city of Rome, the city that rules over the Kings of the Earth. The Pope has gifted his life to this copy cat of the Mother of Jesus. Revelation 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” Every January, the pope delivers his annual “state of the world” address to the diplomatic corps at the Vatican.
January 8, 2009. Diplomats of all colors are gathered to hail the Pope.
This year He’s expected to underline his concern over recent acts of violence and discrimination against Christian minorities around the world, which was a main theme of the World Peace Day message this year. Lets take a look at what one blogger wrote about the Popes address January 11th 2010.
Earlier this morning, the Pope received the diplomatic corps accredited to the Holy See — now 178 in all, following last month’s establishment of full relations with Russia — for their annual New Year exchange of greetings.
Revelation 18:3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.” Source for information about the Diplomatic corps in the Vatican. What is the Papal mission. Do the Pope represent Jesus the Messiah on Earth? Lets take a look: ADDRESS OF POPE BENEDICT XVI TO THE JORDANIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS, MUSLIM LEADERS AND RECTORS OF UNIVERSITIES AL-HUSSEIN BIN TALAL MOSQUE AMMAN,9 MAY 2009
Muslims worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, who has spoken to humanity. And as believers in the one God we know that human reason is itself God’s gift and that it soars to its highest plane when suffused with the light of God’s truth.
Source of Pope’s statement in Amman. The Pope deletes the name of Jesus, and do represent a different kingdom, than the Kingdom of the King of Kings in Heaven. The Vatican’s authority has come up from the abyss.
The Pope is busy running around, building the One World Religion. Here in Amman in Jordan.
What will happen to the Roman Catholic Church, who is lead from Rome? The Vatican statehood will not stand in the day of judgment, like all other nations on Earth. The Papal statehood will be destroyed when Jesus returns. All the diplomats will be stripped of all their medals. Today there is luxury, and unlimited parties. But when the party-killer Jesus returns, they will all weep and mourn. Revelation 18:9 [ Threefold Woe Over Babylon’s Fall ] “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. First published 8th of January, 2011. Written by Ivar
March 14, 2013 How many Roman Catholics knows that their church claim “Jesus” appeared as a Chinese? And His “mother” as a Chinese empress.
The Chinese “Messiah” and his mother will tell the Chinese to accept the Pope as their head.
Lets see what the Roaman Catholic website “Catholic culture” write about “Our Lady of China”:
In April 1900, a force of ten thousand rioters attacked Tong Lu. The soldiers, in senseless rage, started to shoot into the sky. Then suddenly they fled, frightened, and never came back again. According to the legend, a woman in white appeared above the settlement, and the rioters’ bullets were aimed at her. When the apparition did not fade, attackers had not even time to reorganize because a strange horseman put them to flight. Soon after they had disappeared beyond the horizon. Father Wu, a Chinese priest, confessed to his flock that he invoked the help of Mary. A new church was built on the site and Father Wu placed a picture of Our Lady on the main altar. He asked the painter to dress Our Lady in the royal robes of the dowager Empress Tzi-Hsi. The image of the Blessed Virgin in the royal robes of the pagan Empress, with the Christ Child on her knees, is vivid expression of Chinese tradition.
Source: Catholic Culture. My comment: To get the Chinese onboard the Universal One World religion, obviously there must a Roman Catholic Chinese copy of “Jesus”. Our Lady of China is the one and only, who have delivered a“Chinese Messiah”. She her self dressed up as a Chinese empress. Jesus the Messiah was raised in an Israeli city called Nazareth, born by a Jewish virgin. His step father was a local carpenter. After Jesus ascended into Heaven from Jerusalem, He promised that no one would see Him again, before His second coming. The Holy Spirit became His representative on Earth. A better display of demonic activity can not be found, than the Roman Catholic claim of a appearances of “Mother and child” as two Chinese. There is hardly any religious fraud the Vatican is not willing to promote, as long as it contribute to the emergence of a“global church”, that will accept the Pope as their head.
Revelation 19
Threefold Hallelujah Over Babylon’s Fall
1After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting: “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, 2 for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.” 3 And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”
The Pope has approved this falsehood, as recoded by AsiaNews on 16th of May 2008.
Pope: Prayer to Our Lady of Sheshan On the Day of Prayer for the Church in China, Benedict XVI asks the “Mother of China and all Asia” to support the faithful, that “they never be afraid to speak of Jesus to the world, and of the world to Jesus”, and “always be credible witnesses to this love, ever clinging to the rock of Peter”.
Source: AsiaNews. Here are some more pictures of the Babylonian prostitute, and her false Messiah.
Our Lady of China. A Roman Catholic copy cat, ready to deceive millions.
Luke 21:8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.
Catholic Chinese art, that make the Mesisah a boy who was rised by an empress in China.
Our Lady of China will lead many Buddhists towards a universal worship of her son as a “god”.
An altar for “Our Lady of China” in Tainan in Taiwan.
A Church who present the Chinese version of the Roman Catholic faith.
April 21, 2012 To secure Churches in the Palestinian territories, the “Holy See will strengthening the special relations with the PLO”.
Yasser Arafat kissed the hand of the late Pope John Paul II.
This is the essence from a fresh Press release in the Vatican. A Pontifical delegation has returned from Ramallah, where there were held talks between the “Holy See” and the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO). The Vatican signed a Basic Agreement with the PLO in 2000. The talks aimed at a comprehensive international agreement regulating and promoting the presence and activities of the Catholic Church in the Palestinian Territories. “The talks were co-chaired by Msgr. Ettore Balestrero, under secretary for the Holy See’s relations with States, and Ziad Al-Bandak, the president’s advisor for Christian relations. The talks were held in a cordial atmosphere. “Both sides agreed on establishing a working group to elaborate the aforementioned comprehensive agreement”. Source: Vatican Press release. My reply: The Vatican is of course flattered that an Islamic terrorist organization promises to hold Catholic Churches open in a proposed Islamic statehood, that will become a Jew-free zone. Just like Catholic churches struck a deal with Hitler to keep Catholic Churches open, while the Jews were slaughtered in gas chambers by the “German liberation organization” who ruled in Berlin. It is a shame, that there is totally silence from the Vatican, in regards to the PLO and the Islamic Worlds refusal to recognize the state of Israel. The Vatican is also hailing Mahmoud Abbas, a holocaust denier. First published: 13th of December 2010. Written Ivar
“Catholics and Muslims must show the common belief that we are members of one family loved by God our Creator, and uphold the dignity of every human person”.
The ambassador of Iran to the Vatican statehood, Ali Akbar Naseri hands over his accrediation to the Pope.
This is a statement by the Pope Benedict XVI in 2008, recorded by Zenit News Agency, a Catholic news provider. The Pope addressed the members of the newly formed Catholic-Muslim Forum at the conclusion of its three-day seminar. The forum is comprised of 29 members of each creed and was formed by the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue and representatives of the 138 Muslim leaders who sent an open letter to Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders in October 2007.
No longer do the Vatican do much to hide that the Pope is an anti-Christ. He is welcomed and loved by his children, Muslims and Catholics alike.
This Catholic-Muslim Forum worked out a resolution, blessed by the pontiff. This includes an acceptance of Islam as a religion that can save people. “This love, as indicated by the Holy and Beloved Prophet Muhammad, is prior to the human love for the One True God. A Hadith indicates that God’s loving compassion for humanity is even greater than that of a mother for her child”. The Protestant Christian response to the Pope”s initiative to include Muslims in “Gods family” is interesting reading. Both the Presbyterian Church in the USA and United Methodist Church agree with the Vatican. Take a look at some of the supporting letters below this article. Source: Zenit Article in Catholic online.
“Catholics and Muslims started to do charity together in 1985″
This is written on the web pages of CNEWA.
Vatican envoy to Israel, French Cardinal Roger Etchegaray greets Yasser Arafat. Their common charity work in the Middle East has the purpose of evicting the Jews from "Palestine".
This organization is the Papal agency for humanitarian and pastoral support. Under the department for “Ecumenical and inter religious activities”, you can read the following: “The restructuring of CNEWA initiated in 1985 under the presidency of Cardinal John O’Connor not only led to a major expansion of programmatic activities and the development of additional regional offices, but to a renewed and greater emphasis on the ecumenical aspect of CNEWA’s foundational mission”. “Although the primary beneficiaries of CNEWA’s funding activities continued to be the Eastern Catholic churches and their institutions and programs, increasingly support began to be given to the Orthodox and other churches in the countries within CNEWA’s area of service”. “This was a conscious and deliberate return to CNEWA’s original mandate, inherited from the Catholic Union, to work for the union of the Orthodox churches with the Holy See and to make CNEWA active in the “dialogue of charity.” “By extension, some deployment of CNEWA’s resources also began to be made to assist Muslims and other non-Christians through their participation in CNEWA’s works of charity”. Source: CNEWA My comment:
Accepting the Pope as the Holy Father, the chairman of the PLO.
Claimed to be “Christians” have so much respect for the anti-Christ on Earth, that they have started to work with his children. While the reformers of the Church, all branded the Pope in Rome as an anti-Christ, most of the nations on Earth have already accepted him as a great leader. They all have Ambassadors in the Vatican, and let the Papal system have an Embassy in their capitals. Those who are waiting for the rule of anti-Christ, do not have to look longer than to their own President, King or Prime Minister. Most of them have bowed down and kissed the ring of the Lawless one in Rome. If you serve a Pastor or work for a Christian leader who do not talk about the anti-Christ. Just ask him this question: Is the Pope of Rome an antichrist? If the answer is “no”, please run for your life, and take shelter among true followers of Jesus the Messiah. Here is the link to this anti-Christian forum in Rome. And the web-site where you find the down under displayed “Christian”responses.
Claim to be Christian Churches welcomes the Muslims as the children of God
Take a look at these letters sent to the Vatican:
The US Church sent a reply on its letterhead
Also the United Methodist Church feels Muslims are the people of God.
The letter head on which the reply to the Vatican was sent.
There is no signature on the letter sent from the Methodists.
April 15, 2012 Most Christians are not aware that various Interfaith forums have reached an advanced phase of finding the great compromise in the name of “peace”.
Catholic Archbishop Dr. John Onaiyekan of Abuja is in charge of a powerful movement.
Few people are aware that there is a European Council of Religious leaders. This European forum is behind an initiative called “Religions for Peace” The European regional body is one out of five regional bodies of the World Conference on Religions for Peace movement. This European “Peace forum” has acknowledge the so-called Tripoli Declearation. This declaration is signed and promoted by The African Council of Religious Leaders, representing all major religious traditions and faith communities from 26 African countries
Grand Mufti of Uganda Sheikh Shaban Mubajje
When you study who is the co-chair duo of Tripoli Declearation, it should be able to open the ecumenical eyes of Evangelical Christians. Because this chair is a perfect unity of a Roman Catholic Bishop and The Grand Mufti of Uganda. What does the Bible says about such a high co-chair office? 2 Corinthians 6:13-15 As a fair exchange—I speak as to my children—open wide your hearts also. Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? Lets take a look on letter head of this religious African Peace forum. Click at the documents, and you will get an enlarged view. This letter head exposed a unity based up on a claimed desire for peace on Earth. Lets also study the signatures of the co-chair, and their written blessing of each other. Will their signatures of peace bring any of these two religious leaders closer to Jesus of the Bible, so they can be saved from this corrupt generation? Rome and Mecca has already found the balancing point, in the name of “peace”. Only a few issue are left before the perfect agreement can be signed. Like: Who will be the head? Who will be the leader of this New One World religion of many faith’s serving the same god of peace? The Bible says the Jews will be fooled into a false peace agreement, that will bring the last antichrist into the temple in Jerusalem. When we study the list of religious leaders who have join this European Interfaith forum, we see the Prophetic Word being fulfilled in our generation. Read the list of religious leaders who have joined and support this global movement. First published: 02.08.2010. Written by Ivar
April 14, 2012 The Koran brands Jesus as Jesus son of Mary. Not Jesus the Son of God. The Vatican includes Muslims as a part of God`s plan of salvation.
Mustafa Ceric, Grand Mufti of Bosnia and the Pope of Rome
Many Catholic faithful are disturbed when they see the Pope kissing the Koran. But this act by the Pontiff is not strange at all. Because the Vatican and Islam basically worship the same «god». They also have common views on the pagan Queen of Heaven. The Roman Catholic faith and the Muslim faith is also in agreement in regards to Jesus the Son of Mary. They basically serve the same «Jesus». The problem is that non of them serve Jesus as God, God the Son, the only way to our Father God in Heaven. In Islam Jesus the Son of Mary is only a prophet, who can not even save him self. In the Roman Catholic Faith, their «Jesus» is the Son of the Mother of God, the pagan Queen of Heaven. «Jesus of Rome» is not the only begotten Son of God the Father. Who does not have a «wife», or a Queen of Heaven by his side. Both the «Catholic Jesus» and the «Jesus of Islam» are deceptions, copy-cats of the Jewish Jesus of Nazareth.
Interfaith gathering between Islam and the Vatican. Worshiping the same «god»
When Rome and Islam meet to Interfaith gatherings, they have a lot more in common than most Christians are aware of. Many Christians knows that the Catholics have elevated Mary the Catholic to be «forever virgin», to become the Mother of God, called to be worship as the pagan Queen of Heaven. But few Christians know that Muslim also have the same adoration for this woman. First, the Koran portrays Jesus Christ as a prophet, unique in His preincarnate nature, miraculous birth, miracles and moral stature. Muslims revere Jesus Christ. As the Koran states: The angels said to Mary: Surah 3:45-3:46. «Allah bids you rejoice in a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary. He shall be noble in this world and in the world to come, and shall be one of those who are favored. He shall preach to men in his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life.”
It is interesting to note that in the Koran, Jesus is almost exclusively referred to as «Jesus son of Mary», and absolutely not the «Son of God» The Koran vehemently denies that Jesus is the Son of God, yet it holds both Jesus and Mary in high esteem.
Muslims consider Mary the greatest of all women.Furthermore, Muhammad is reported to have said that Mary reached the «level of perfection».
Mary is mentioned no less than 34 times in the Koran. In addition, the 19th surah (chapter) of the Koran is named after her. Based on these facts alone, it is apparent that «Our Lady» is surely seen as blessed above all women by orthodox Muslims. Please, consider the following two quotes taken directly from the Koran:
Surah 3:42. And remember the angels’ words to Mary. They said: “[Allah] has chosen you. He has made you pure and exalted you above womankind.”
Surah 19:30-32. «Whereupon [Jesus] spoke and said: “I am the servant of [Allah]. He has given me the Book and ordained me a prophet. His blessing is upon me wherever I go, and He has exhorted me to be steadfast in prayer and to give alms as long as I shall live. He has exhorted me to honor my mother and has purged me of vanity and wickedness».
Vaican: God of the Bible and Allah is the same
It is also interesting to note that both Islam and the Roman Catholic Church believe that Allah and the God of the Bible are the same. Quoting from the Catholic Catechism we read:
«The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day» This is not expressed in public in Catholic Churches, but it is a doctrine of the Vatican. If you dont believe me, juste read Catholic Catechism as it is presented on the official website of the Vatican. Paragraph # 841. Behold, if you are in a Church which make you worship a false Messiah, You are lost, and will end up in the eternal punishment of Hell. You have been deceived by your priests and teachers, and will be in need of deliverance. Because the only way into the Kingdom of Heaven goes through the Jewish Messiah, God the Son, Jesus of Nazareth. Only if cleansed by the blood of Jesus, the only blood that can cleanse us from our sins, man can escape the fire of Hell. First published: June 28th, 2009. Written by Ivar
April 12, 2012 The Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue emphasizes the quest for truth that is shared by Buddhists and Catholics.
The Vatican wishes spiritual enrichment to all Buddhists celebrating Vesakh.
The council sent a message to Buddhist celebrating the birth of Buddha – the feast Vesakh. The message, titled “Seeking Truth in Freedom: Christians and Buddhists Live in Peace,” was publicized yesterday by the Vatican. Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, the council’s president and secretary Archbishop Pier Luigi Celata prayed that the celebration “may bring serenity and joy to Buddhists throughout the world.”
“All persons have a natural duty to seek truth, to follow it and freely to live their lives in accordance with it,” the prelates stated. They continued, “this human striving for truth offers a fruitful opportunity for the followers of the different religions to encounter one another in depth and to grow in appreciation of the gifts of each.” In today’s world,” the statement noted, “marked by forms of secularism and fundamentalism that are often inimical to true freedom and spiritual values, interreligious dialogue can be the alternative choice by which we find the ‘golden way’ to live in peace and work together for the good of all.” They stressed that this dialogue “is also a powerful stimulus to respect for the fundamental human rights of freedom of conscience and freedom of worship.” “Wherever religious freedom is effectively acknowledged, the dignity of the human person is respected at its root,” the prelates affirmed. “By the sincere search for what is true and good, moral conscience and civil institutions are strengthened, and justice and peace are firmly established.”
Catholics and Buddhists unite through contemplative prayer. Notice the priest before the Catholic altar and the Buddha statue.
The message to Buddhists concluded with a statement that bonds Buddhists and Catholics:
In today’s world, marked by forms of secularism and fundamentalism that are often inimical to true freedom and spiritual values, interreligious dialogue can be the alternative choice by which we find the “golden way” to live in peace and work together for the good of all. As Pope Benedict XVI has said, “for the Church, dialogue between the followers of the different religions represents an important means of cooperating with all religious communities for the common good” (Message for the World Day of Peace 2011, no. 11). Such dialogue is also a powerful stimulus to respect for the fundamental human rights of freedom of conscience and freedom of worship. Wherever religious freedom is effectively acknowledged, the dignity of the human person is respected at its root; by the sincere search for what is true and good, moral conscience and civil institutions are strengthened; and justice and peace are firmly established. “Dear Buddhist Friends, we pray that your celebration of Vesakh will be a source of spiritual enrichment and an occasion to take up anew the quest of truth and goodness, to show compassion to all who suffer, and to strive to live together in harmony.”
Pope John Paul II stands in solidarity with the Dali Lama, both praying to 'god' for world " peace."
Source: zenit zenit (letter) My comment: What the Vatican is doing is spiritual prostitution; a fornication with the religions of the world to gather all them under her ‘leadership.’ The Roman Catholic Church is frantically pursuing dialogue with Muslim, atheists, Christians and Buddhists. She is surely the prostitute drunk with the blood of the saints. If you are Catholic, as I was, please heed this article as a warning. The Vatican is leading their members into darkness as the Church flatters world religions with sweet-talk and compromise. What a blasphemy. What lies. Their “dialogue” will end in world religion with the Pope as it’s head. These men act holy in their fine robes and hats while they deny the Gospel, making His word null and void. Was the Gospel being preached to the Buddhists? No. Did they tell them to stop following false gods? Again, no. Dear Catholics, please see what the Vatican is doing and turn to the Only One that saves, Lord Jesus the Messiah. In Him alone, you will find Life Everlasting. Psalm 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save Rev 17: 3-6 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: mystery babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. First published: 04.04.2011. Written by Sue
One a year, the Roman Catholics take their skulls of their alters and parade them in public. The Catholic Church in Bolivia is the most pagan institution on the Western hemisphere. Not only do the Catholics in Bolivia keep skulls of their deceased family members inside their houses. They even put them up on the House altars, to be venerated and adored together with crucifixes and various Papal approved Madonna’s. The most bizarre day on the Bolivian year, is the day the streets are full of decorated skulls. That is “The Day of the skulls”. On this day, the Catholics in Bolivia carry skulls into a church to be blessed at the General Cemetery in La Paz. Lets take a look at some pictures:
A Catholic lady ready to pack her skull and go to Chuch to get it blessed.
The day of the parade of skulls, in the Bolivian capital La Paz.
In almost every Catholic family they keep “Holy skulls”. In the winter it is cold for them.
It has to be mentioned that the Vatican do not recognize the Day of the skull. But the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church has not done much to stop this national Bolivian celebration. This is the official explanation. Dia de los Natitas (Day of the Skulls) is an ancient Bolivian ritual where skulls are decorated with flowers and pampered with cigarettes, coca leaves and other treats.
Every November 9, the central cemetery, in La Paz, Bolivia, becomes the scene of a bizarre pre-Columbian tradition, known as Dia de los Natitas. Women carrying skulls, in decorated wooden or cardboard boxes, fancy glass cases and even in plastic bags, gather outside the cemetery to show off their skulls. They are usually decorated with flower petals (hydrangeas and roses) and covered with knitted colorful caps.
Some Bolivians believe a person has seven souls, and one of them remains in the skeleton, after they’ve been buried. Once the other souls have left for heaven, the remains are dug up and the skull taken home and cared for. If they’re not respected, skulls can bring bad luck to a household, ruin the harvest and even break up a family. But if they’re properly taken care of, you can ask the skull for favors.
The skulls are decorated in the national colors of Bolivia, decorated with flowers.
Blessings of the beautified skulls takes place inside Catholic Churches, after worship songs have brought the Papist faithful into the right spiritual mood.
The BBC has recorded the views of the archbishop of La Paz.
Earlier this month the Church called on the faithful to stop using human skulls at special mass celebrations. The Archbishop of La Paz, Edmundo Abastoflor, urged followers of the Andean rite to “let them rest in peace”.
Some inside the Church even link the practice to the occult.
However, some priests believe they have no other choice than to let people pray Catholic prayers to their skulls, and even allow them to go to church with them.
“I receive them and not as enemies of the Catholic faith,” the cemetery’s Roman Catholic priest, Father Jaime Fernandez, told the BBC after giving an informal blessing to thousands of skull-carrying devotees at the cemetery’s chapel.
The Bolivian skull parade is an annual event.
I am not sure why the Bolivians are putting cotton in the eye of the skull.
Why do the Bolivians keep skulls at home? The Catholics believe that such skulls, if they are blessed by their “holy fathers” will bring good luck to the family in the future. The Bible is very clear that consulting the spirits of the dead is a sin, that will be punished by God our Father. Deuteronomy 18:10-12 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Isaiah 19:3 The Egyptians will lose heart, and I will bring their plans to nothing; they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead, the mediums and the spiritists. Source of the majority of these pictures is Getty Images. That the Roman Catholic Church allow this paganism to enter the Church, with priests blessing the skull worshipers, is indeed a permission that is rooted in the occult realms. Since the pope is a worshiper of bones and skulls, why should we put the blame on the Bolivians? “The Holy Father” in Rome is the very “Father of the occult”. First published: 09.10.2010. Written by Ivar
just when I thought I have heard it all about the fascination some Catholics have for dead peoples bones. May the Lord start a great work of redeeming these lost Catholics, very soon.
Hello Ivar. Blessings to you! This story really takes the cake! This is so gross, i don’t even know how to respond. I did laugh reading that the people kept the skulls warm by putting hats on them! I laughed out loud, it is just so ridiculous and crazy!
Dear Sue. Shalom. I am trying my best to open the eyes of Roman Catholics, to make them understand that they are trying to serve “god” in a house of demons. May be some of them read this article, and finally accepted the truth: That the Pope is a false teacher, that will take all Catholics on a ride to Hell.
Regarding Deuteronomy 18:10-12 Unfortunately, in countries, and even states here in the US practice witch craft, choosing to believe in evil rather than Christ.
I find the mixing of traditional pre-Columbian practices with Christian ones to be very interesting. It should be noted that the idea of celebrating Christmas by bringing a pine tree into the home relates to the idea of an “evergreen” tree as a symbol of life’s rebirth in pre-Christian Northern Europe. It was tolerated by the Church because it enabled pagans to relate to, and helped them adopt, Christianity, as I understand it. Often the re-emergence of traditional practices can be seen in a cultural/political context as a manifestation of alienation caused by a failure of the broader society to integrate or assimilate ethnic minorities or indigenous people. In the US, I believe, we have seen that reflected in the emergence of something called Kwanza (sp?) in some African-American communities. Now, I recently drove past a neighborhood church and saw that they were having a “Bless Your Pet” day. Yes, bring in rover, your tabby or the hamster and get it blessed. I think that stuff is a desperate attempt by religionists to make their beliefs “relevant” to a largely secularized constituency, but it only succeeds in trivializing religion.
I have seen alot of articles or videos about catholics and the dead. Most of the time it frustrates me. But this… I cant explain it but this just makes me cry. These people are so confused and lost. Only the Lord and Savior, Yeshua can help them. We as Christ loving people need to pray all the more for these people. It even breaks my corriptible heart so I know it breaks our Lords pure heart. As far as the practice of the evergreen trees at christmas, I used to love having a tree up in my house every christmas. Last year I heard how that and the eggs at easter got started. My husband and I decided that we could not allow the pagan practices in to influnce our children. My mother got angry ( she is a christian as well). She said it was only how you looked at it. If I wanted it to be for pagan practices then it was but she saw a triangle which she said represented the trinity. I didnt know what to do. I prayed and prayed. The part of scripture about Daniel and his 3 friends from Jeresulem came to mind. After they were taken to Babylon and served the meat of the king. they refused to eat it because it had been sacraficed to pagan god. They lived off of veggies and water. I garuntee that the meat smelled and looked better than the food they were eating but they refused it. They could have said that- oh well I am not eating to honor their god, and I will just pretend that it was offered to my God. They didnt. They didnt compromise. I see so much compromising in the church now adays. wether in the catholic or prodestant. We as Gods people need to stick to His word. We need to pray that the Holy Spirit will open the eyes of the churches. We need to love these people the way Christ did. But he did NOT compromise. neither should we. The Bible is the Holy word of God and we need to know it and follow it.
Wow. I was born and raised a Catholic but I left Catholicism to become a simple Christian. There are far too many idols and rituals for me. How do those things honor God? Interesting article. Thanks
Saint Valentine died in 270 A.D. His skull is kept in Rome, while his waxed body is kept inside an altar in a Church in Missouri, USA. Old Saint Ferdinand’s Shrine in Florissant Missouri have a 1740 year old saint kept as a wax figure. Not only inside the Church, but inside the altar it self.
A Roman Catholic priest perform the mas, with a corpse kept inside the altar.
The shrine of Old St. Ferdinands Church holds the corpse of Saint Valentine.
The saint is Valentine, which Papal day of remembrance in February the 14th, the day lovers give each other gifts. The head of the waxed saint is obviously a copy. Because the “holy skull” of Valentine is kept for display in a Church in Rome. The Church is Chiesa di Santa Maria in Cosmedin.
The skull of Saint Valentines is kept for adoration and veneration inside a Church in Rome.
The Catholic Church in Florissant, Missouri is located 17 highway miles northwest of downtown Saint Louis. This is perhaps the oldest church in the Louisiana Purchase territory, dating from 1819.
The Church in Rome that keeps the “Holy skull” of Valestine.
The “Old Cathedral” we know today was built in 1834. While it is an older congregation, the church building at St. Ferdinand is the oldest structure surviving by fourteen years. Source for these pictures: Relics of St. Valentine, thought to be a gift of the King of France to Bishop Louis DuBourg, are in a wax replica of St. Valentine in front of the altar. Inside this Church, you will also find the relics of Mother Duchesne. She was declared venerable in 1900, beatified in 1940, and canonized in 1988. The museum has a collection of dolls in historical nuns’ habits. The loss of the habit after the Second Vatican Council seems to have led to a loss of identity in some religious orders. This is the words of a visitor of this Catholic shrine:
Under the altar is a wax effigy, containing relics of Saint Valentine, Roman martyr, from A.D. 270. As a young child visiting this church, I was horrified by this dead body under the altar, and to make it worse, it was the Saint of Valentine’s Day greeting card fame!
My comment: To keep a corpse inside the altar of a Church, is nothing but demonic. It is the very mother of all religious insanity presented as “Christianity” . The only difference between keeping an embalmed Lenin in the Kremlin and a corpse of a Catholic saint, is that the Communists do not claim to be Christians.
The corpse of Saint Valentine inside the altar of a Catholic shrine in the US.
The embalmed corpse of Lenin kept inside the Kremlin in Moscow.
Let the living saints of Jesus understand warn others. Because the supporters of the papal system are on their bumpy ride towards the eternal flames of Hell. Everlasting pain and agony will be their very rewards for this kind of wickedness.
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How positively awful.Thank you for exposing this as I had no idea that St Valentine had Catholic origins in such a detestable way. Oh how the world loves valentines day! I am ashamed to the bottom of my heart that as a Christian to date I have thought of this as ok. Never again-
Each time I read an exposed article from Ivar, I am more aware of how deeper and deeper the pope and his believers are digging their way down. I simply ownly pray that they see the truth “Christ our Messiah and the Only” before it’s too late.
very few, even among professing Christians, know how deeply embedded Catholicism is in our culture. At least here in the US it is. The pastors of the true church have no business teaching and condoning the honoring of these dates of Catholic origin. But then they seem to be guiding their flocks right into the arms of the Pope himself with their ecumenical activities. very distressing to me because I left the Catholic church when I was saved, and I will never go back. I have friends that I have fellowshipped with at one time, that have gone back to attending the Mass. I blame the pastors who water down the gospel, never teach in depth any doctrine, and join ecumenical activities. That’s the perfect way to prepare people to foolishly join the harlot’s church.
Thank you for this post. Would like to point out though saints and their relics (i.e. bodies, clothing, etc.) are not “adored”, but merely venerated and revered. Adoration implies worship, and conveying that to anyone other than the one true triune God would be idolatry. Saints are venerated much like the way photographs and possessions of loved ones are treasured, but even more so. They have achieved in their lifetime, with God’s grace, saintly holiness, by the way they lived. Therefore their bodies were temples of the Holy Spirit in the truest sense. That is why their relics are given a special place in the Church. Just wanted to provide a little bit of clarification for those who seek it. Thank you very much! God bless you. http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/relics.htm
Dear Nathalie Shalom, and welcome to this site. The Roman Catholic Church have many explanations for why Catholics should not follow the instruction of God of the Bible. The living saints are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The dead do no longer have any power, besides what demons might give them. The dead are supposed to be buried, and will face the final judgment. The RCC loot their graves, bring the skulls and bones into their Churches, and bow down to them, and kiss them. Genesis 23:4 “I am a foreigner and stranger among you. Sell me some property for a burial site here so I can bury my dead.” Isaiah 19:3 The Egyptians will lose heart, and I will bring their plans to nothing; they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead, the mediums and the spiritists. Luke 9:60 Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” Natalie. Leave these mockers, and beg for mercy. And Jesus the Messiah will save you. If not, all your good intentions, will bring you into the eternal fire of Hell.
“Moses took the bones of Joseph with him because Joseph had made the Israelites swear an oath. He had said, ‘God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up with you from this place’” (Exod 13:19) “So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John’s head. The man went, beheaded John in the prison, and brought back his head on a platter. He presented it to the girl, and she gave it to her mother. On hearing of this, John’s disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb” (Mark 6:27-9) Please, read your scriptures better before condemning. To compare honoring someone (i.e., St. Valentine) who was killed for his faith in Jesus Christ with an atheist and despiser of the Faith could be considered a sin against the Holy Spirit (see Mark 3:28-30).
Dear Matthew W.L. Shalom, and welcome to this site. I am not a skull expert. But someone told me, that some of the skulls kept for display inside Roman Catholic Churches, are not of humans. What do you think? Its difficult to verify its origin, since there was no DNA test done on the deceased man, or animal. Feel free to read through the full list of skull and bones articles. http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/
Matthew W.I.Dunn said to Ivar:”Please, read your scriptures better before condemning.” I can’t help but reply to the scriptures you gave to support what the Catholics do with their dead “Saints.” So, my question to you is: From the scriptures you gave, where does it say to dig up the bones, put them in open display and venerate them? How about any where in the Bible does it say that?
I do believe everything that Ivar replies from now or states, Victoria you will have a problem with. There is no condemnation in Ivar’s response to Matthew. Isn’t better for you to strongly disagree with someone, and show them the way to Christ by giving them scriptures, then to sit there and placate someone?
Gloria, You falsely judge me, not everything Ivar says from now on I have a problem with. Maybe you are guilty of what you falsely accuse me of? Maybe everything I say for now on you will have a problem with? I told the truth. Now, the Bible says don’t play favorites, Gloria, you favored Ivar over the truth. No one should condemn others. And, the Bible does not say to dig up bones, display and venerate them. Now stop trying to correct me where there is no correction to be done.
Victoria, Your comment: I told the truth. Now, the Bible says don’t play favorites, Gloria, you favored Ivar over the truth. My Comment: One of the silliest comments I’ve ever heard. God’s Word is the truth!
The reason saints’ bodies are displayed, is because they have defied all laws of physics and been preserved, without embalming or any special conditions. They did not even mummify; they’re just preserved. This, as far as can be explained, is clearly a miracle and a validation of viewing them as saints. It’s earthly evidence of the divine. If God wanted them to be buried and left alone like typical human bodies, they would have rotted away naturally like anyone else. But all of these saints were special and blessed, and the preservation of their bodies proves this. So, why would God keep their bodies whole, except as a message to us followers? Burying and forgetting them would deprive people of strong evidence of God’s existence. While blind faith is definitely the preferred path of a follower, it can help doubters start believing when they have a little evidence of the divine. It’s one small way God speaks to us, lets us know He is there and we are not forgotten. By showing us that if you truly walked in His footsteps, your body may become a message through hundreds of years in testament. If the bodies had been just left in the ground, this message God sends to everyone would be wasted. Lenin was embalmed and kept in specific preserving conditions. But the bodies of saints were preserved by nothing, and scientists have no explanation for it. It’s a miracle, and miracles deserve to be viewed, because miracles are all messages from God. Followers who respect/kiss these relics, see them as a communication pathway to God, because God is obviously touching them to keep them preserved. And by the way… Judge not lest ye be judged. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. And lastly, not a quote but a summary… To believe you are worthy of passing judgment on the souls of others, you are claiming to have a duty and ability that only God has, which is blasphemy. Let God choose who is heading to Hell, and meanwhile do your duty bestowed upon us by Him, of being compassionate and caring to all, not judgmental or accusatory. God bless you.
I hate to be short, but a person that truly desires to know God and share that desire with others will not spend time bashing another faith, but will bring others to the truth by their love and the resulting actions. If you have to defame another religion to “bring people to the faith” then perhaps you should examine your own and your own lack of faith. Remember that FAITH is a GIFT from God. Peace, John
John are you justifying corpse adoration? Or veneration or just mildly interested in the corpse. I have come to believe that it is semantics with word worship. Means one thing to Bible Believing Christians, something else to Pope followers.
The veneration (not worship) of relics, including the bodies of saints, goes back to the early Church. and is based in part on the following: “Now when Elisha had fallen sick with the illness of which he was to die, Joash king of Israel went down to him, and wept before him … So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet.” (2 Kings 13:14,20-21 RSV) Clearly, God HAS saints, and clearly, God can CHOOSE to heal people through them or even via their BONES if He so chooses. Who are you to say otherwise? It’s Scriptural. Miracles related to relics come from God, responding to prayer from the afflicted, or to intercession OF the saints. Praying to saints (not worshiping them) is Scriptural too, as prayer isn’t just worship, it can also be conversation: In Rev. 5:8, St. John sees 24 elders with harps fall down before the Lamb. They hold golden bowls of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. In Rev. 8:3-4, an ANGEL with a golden censer filled with incense and the prayers of the saints, brings these to God. Why would an angel BRING our prayers to God? Because we may pray to God directly, or we may also pray to (but not worship) angels and saints, asking THEM to take our prayers to God for us. The saints on earth and the saints in heaven make up the CHURCH. We are a family.
Pope praises “saint” kept as dressed skeleton in Italy
“The shining figure of St. Ambrose, your heavenly patron, who was suddenly called to the episcopate, having to abandon a brilliant career as a senior civil servant.”
The "shining figure" of a saint, according to the Pope in Rome.
These are the words of the Pope. During a meeting Friday with Italy’s provincial regulators, Pope Benedict XVI held up the 4th-century governor-turned-bishop, St. Ambrose of Milan, as a model of a just administrator. “This holy Bishop and Doctor of the Church, animated by so great a love and respect for state institutions as for those ecclesial, is an extraordinary example of rectitude, especially his loyalty to the law and firmness against injustice and oppression,” Pope Benedict said in his Oct. 14 address to the 110 prefects of Italy. The Pope held the special audience with at the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican to mark the 150th anniversary of Italian unification. Source: CNA
The "saint of Milan is adored by Italians.
My comment: The Pope is the main promoter of adoration, veneration and worship of skull, bones and corpses. “Saint” Ambrose is only one of these shining figures that Holy see wants faithful followers wants to adore. The RCC is a death cult, with a man claiming to be “holy father” as their head.
Matthew 23:27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
The skull and bones of this corpse in Italy is 1.600 years old. Read the full story about “Saint”Ambrose. Written by Ivar
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You don’t see this side of Catholicism most places. Googling him doesnt turn up much, but it says he wrote a treatise called “the goodness of death” , I couldn’t find the actual writing. In some other writings he appears to have been very crafty at turning white to black.
Dear Tom. Shalom. It is a huge spiritual tragedy, that any human being can brand such a grotesque sight, as fruits of anything but devilish wickedness. You have to be spiritual blindfolded by Satan to dress up a corpse. The Vatican priesthood have even put a golden crown on the head of a skull. The Roman Catholic religion is NOT a part of the Christian family. It does not matter what reformed Bishops and pastors might claim. The Bible expose them as hypocritical liars. They have accepted an antichrist as the head of a “Church”, and even bowed before the Papacy as God”s replacement for “Christ” on Earth.
I totally agree Ive’s old chap, and I wouldn’t really like my dog to meet this bag of bones because I’m pretty careful what I feed him on. Dead mens bones are simply the bones of dead men. Jesus is not dead, he sits at the right hand of the Father. Amen,
Andrea Shalom. Jesus is eternal God. God can not die. God is alive. Jesus is alive. When Jesus “died” on the cross, Satan thought he had won. What Satan did not understand, was that the blood of Jesus was going to be used to redeem mankind. Behold: The passover Lamb of God. When Jesus rose from the grave, He displayed His divine eternal nature. Death was defeated. Once and for all.
Pope presents quartered “saint” as model for Church
Teresa of Avila was cut into pieces by priests and bishops. The Pope still proclaim the “saint” as a role model for the “Church”.
Two Carmelite nuns kiss a metal frame, which contains bones cut from a corpse not later that 1914.
Pope Benedict XVI believes that 16th-century Saint Teresa of Avila is a model for current efforts to launch the New Evangelization. “The ultimate goal of Teresa’s reform and the creation of new monasteries in a world lacking spiritual values was to protect apostolic work with prayer,” the Pope said July 16. Source: CNA. My comment: I will forever wounder what the purpose was, of putting gold rings on this metal frame? People who do not know the history of the canonization of Teresa of Avila, will easily be deceived by the Pope. But first lets take a look at some pictures from Spain, where most of her body parts are kept in different towns and cities.
The hand of the “saint” is kept for veneration and kissing in Spain.
A picture of the Fascist dictator of Spain together with the “holy hand”.
A Camerlite nun carries the bones from the corpse.
Lets read what a Catholic source has written about the tragic circumstances that lead to this human being being quartered, cut into pieces. This is recorded om Marypages.com
She died in 1582. Her body was exhumed several times after her death, and each time found sweet-smelling, firm, and incorrupt. Her heart, hands, right foot, right arm, left eye and part of her jaw are on display in various sites around the world.
It is off course strange that a corpse can be found “sweet smelling”. Especially because the last exhumation took place as late as in 1914, That was 332 years after her soul departed, and body supposed to be laid to rest. But why cut the deceased person into pieces, and distribute these pieces of dead humans “around the world”?
Jeremiah 25:6 Do not follow other gods to serve and worship them; do not provoke me to anger with what your hands have made. Then I will not harm you.”
You have to be pretty wicked and rather insane to cut the eye out of an exhumed body. In particular the eye, who might not see much after being in the grave for hundreds of years. And in this case the “left eye”
What happened to the right eye, is not mentioned in any Roman Catholic source. And I have search for this answer in quit a bit of them, in a bid so solve this mysterious cut. My best guess is that the right eye had rotten.
Hosea 13:2 When Ephraim spoke, men trembled he was exalted in Israel. But he became guilty of Baal worship and died. Now they sin more and more; they make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images, all of them the work of craftsmen.
Her er some more pictures:
The bones from the right arm of this “saint” in contained inside a glass tube, and presented on a golden stand.
Also the heart of this corpse were cut out and kept for display and adoration.
The left eye of the “saint” might be found in this collection of her relics. But not able to confirm.
Earlier I have questioned why Roman Catholic priests keep on cutting the heart out of the remains of human beings. What should be the purpose? This claimed saint also had mental problems. But that is not a matter for this article. But you can read about her illness in a previous story on this blog. The ancient Egyptians believed that people who disturbed the sleeping souls in the graves, released curses on their own head. Not even the pagans in Egypt will approve off the grotesque grave looting performed by the Vatican priesthood. It is difficult to find suitable words for the level of perversity in this kind of activities. But what I feel, is that God of the Bible will give such individuals sufficient time in Hell, to reflect on what they have done. Be careful, so you do not end up in this hot and godforsaken place your self. Repent, and give your life to Jesus of Nazareth. Written by Ivar
Praying for you. http://www.motherteresa.org/09_relics/RELICS.htm “To venerate the relics of the saints is a profession of belief in several doctrines of the Catholic faith: (1) the belief in everlasting life for those who have obediently witnessed to Christ and His Holy Gospel here on earth; (2) the truth of the resurrection of the body for all persons on the last day; (3) the doctrine of the splendor of the human body and the respect which all should show toward the bodies of both the living and the deceased; (4) the belief in the special intercessory power which the saints enjoy in heaven because of their intimate relationship with Christ the King; and (5) the truth of our closeness to the saints because of our connection in the communion of saints — we as members of the Church militant or pilgrim Church, they as members of the Church triumphant.”
That makes as much sense as The Lone Ranger saying “Tonto, Go to town and get the information”.. When we all knew and shouted ”Noooo Don’t go to town Tonto you’ll get the crap beat out of you”..!! So I say to you….If “Mother Teresa was not born again ‘thru Jesus Christ…her eternity will be with the perverted priests who put out these crazy lies”..also…DON’T GO TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, Tonto (ANYONE), You will be “Satan’s Lunch”…in Hell (you) are the Blue Plate Special will be all the followers who denied God’s Word HIS Way and followed the Pope !
And do we know for sure anyone is in heaven? Only God knows. I will NEVER AGAIN bow before a dead man’s bones nor kiss them or venerate them, as you deceivingly claim. My God forgive me those times I knelt before St. Therese of Lisieux, St. John Vianney, St. Catherine Labourre, St. Catherine of Sienna, St. Catherine of Bologna and honestly many, many more!!!! Pray before dead man’s bones when I now have the living spirit of God burning within me?!!! No way!!!! No need for dead man’s bones when I am born again in Him. Praise you alone, Jesus!
Dear Daniel Shalom Your Church on that matter is simply to contridict the word of God, Because people are being exhumed in other to be worship Veneration of the Dead The veneration and consultation of the dead are prohibited in Scripture (Deuteronomy 18:10-12). In pagan worship, the dead were venerated and buried in sites of worship. The God of Israel, however, is the God of the living and not of the dead. Anyone who came into contact with a dead person or a grave was considered unclean and could not take part in worship (Numbers 19:16; Leviticus 21:1). In Catholicism, the worship of the dead is continued in the veneration of the saints. Catholic and Anglican churches are shrines for the dead. In Catholicism, no cathedral may be without dead bodies and graves. In fact, the sacrifice of the mass is for the dead and mass cannot proceed if there is not a relic of the dead associated with the altar. This is pagan necromancy, which the Bible strictly forbids.
i believe catholic are heretics. They are hiding the truth in churh seremony. Body of dead are unclean part unless it is buried;see levitichus. Catholic also said pastor can give forgiving sin with many repetition of prayer regards maria and our father prayer as pastor wish. sex harrasment now days are verry common problen with catholics. If i have power, i will post ammandmend just like marthin luther did.
The collected remains of the head of John Cassian is at best parts of a skull.
This holy skull is collected in a Roman Catholic Church in Marseilles in France.
This is what a website records about “Holy bones in Saint-Victor Abbey in Marseilles”. Display of reliquaries containing osseous remains of early Christian saints and martyrs, including the skull of saint John Cassian (top middle), and morsels of saints Agatha, Benignus, Caesarius, Constant II, Facondi, Felicity, Fidelius, Fortunatus, Justin, and many others.
Lots of pieces of holy bones, have been collected in Marseilles.
The part of the skull is kept for adoration and veneration.
Source: Flickr. My comment: The most interesting part of this story is the bone collection inside the “Church” in Marseilles. All kinds of pieces of bones are collected and kept in strange looking golden boxes. That this is holy bones, can only be confirmed by the crosses on top of the boxes. To anyone who still doubts about the Roman Catholic Church being the skull and bones society, take a look at the skull and bone files on this blog. Lets also learn from Jesus. He spoke about people who he compare to dead bones, unclean people. Today we know that people who collect and adore bones, are not washed in His blood.
Matthew 23:27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
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~~~>To anyone who still doubts about the Roman Catholic Church being the skull and bones society, take a look at the skull and bone files on this blog. Lets also learn from Jesus. He spoke about people who collected bones. Matthew 23:27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.<~~~~~~ The Truth comes to light….even if this is not solely about the Skull & Bones crowd, it sure puts a lot of light on 'where those bones are kept'…No society that goes by any name, will not have a collection of Pride, to brag and many ideas, and a lot of help to drag the populace into getting more items. This is just way too coincidental ..they make their-selves look good, while another (place to hold and savor their demonic deeds under the guise it's Holy) What better way to drag the blind into more …Sick, sick, sick! You know Jesus told us, all things hidden will come to light. The more I see and hear the more I see and hear! Those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear know what I'm saying. Line everything against the Word of God, and test all spirits. They may change their clothes, but they can never change their spots!! Just in our country, each Party will and does say ''we will change and fix things"..yet they too were in Power and nothing was changed or fixed…just YOUR CHANGE was put in their pockets and "a NEW FIXED AMOUNT WAS FIXED while the other party screams…foul'…!! Yet many Christians are all upset each day about how 'things' are going…and getting more and more blinded either by the lies of the public 'programmers' or by the Pulpit. The Book of Jude is so 'Today' for us all to take heed!
[...] The collected remains of the head of John Cassian is at best parts of a skull. This is what a website records about "Holy bones in Saint-Victor Abbey in Marseilles". Display of reliquaries containing osseous remains of early Christian saints and martyrs, including the skull of saint John Cassian (top middle), and morsels of saints Agatha, Benignus, Caesarius, Constant II, Facondi, Felicity, Fidelius, Fortunatus, Justin, and many others. Source: F … Read More [...]
Francis to pray at “city of the dead” in the Vatican
Pope Francis will pray at the tomb of St. Peter, the church’s first pontiff, during a visit to the necropolis under St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican.
The Pope is making a visit to the city of the dead inside the Vatican.
The Vatican said Francis will go into the vast excavation later Monday, a post-Easter holiday at the Holy See. The new pope’s time in the necropolis will be private, but the Vatican promised to release photos and videos of the visit. The basilica was built at the spot where early Christians gathered to pray at an unmarked tomb believed to be that of Peter, the man Jesus chose to lead the church. Earlier Monday, Francis made an appearance from a window of the papal apartment overlooking St. Peter’s Square, greeting and waving to thousands of cheering well-wishers. Source: AP and Washington Post My comment: This is the first time I have encountered the word “Necropolis”. It is almost like necrophilia. To fall in love with the dead. Nekropolis, literally meaning “city of the dead”. Jesus the Messiah. told the dead to go and bury their own dead. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Late Pope John Paul II consult the spirits of the dead in the tombs, this one claimed to be “Peter”s”.
To claim that the tomb of a Jew named Peter is inside the Vatican, is an example of religious fraud. The rest of the “Petrine theology” of the Vatican is also based on lies, and a falsification of World history. The Roman Catholic Church was formed around 350 A.D, by the emperor of Rome. The foundation stone was laid almost 300 years after the death of Peter. It is simply baloney to claim this Jewish Apostle to be the first Pope. The ministry of the married apostle Peter was in Iraq, the ancient kingdom of Parthia. He writes one of his letters with greetings from Babylon, its ancient capital.
1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.
There is not a single evidence in scripture, that Peter ever was in Rome. No calling on him to go there. Neither in the book of Acts, nor in the Prophetic Word, or in his own apostolic letters. The Apostle Paul was the apostle sent to the pagans in Rome. And there is evidence in the scriptures, that he was there. Anyhow: The Bible says that we shall not pray to the dead, nor pray for the dead. To visit a crypt and consult the spirit of the dead in nothing but witchcraft in the name of “Christianity”.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.
To visit a fake tomb, to honor the remains of a mortal man, is a grotesque style of religiosity. It is shabby, it is shameful, a way to mock God of the Bible. That this visit to “necropolis” takes place in the name of “Christ” display to us a servant of the devil. Claiming to know the Messiah, but being completely sold out to Satan. Have nothing to do with such evil. Do not participate, but rather expose whats going on.
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
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Peter was not the first pontiff. Constantine was! I know you mentioned that in your comment at the end…but the photo caption makes that claim unchallenged. For anyone who may have missed it…had to reiterate. Peter was not a pope!
The early church fathers are unanimous in claiming that Peter died in Rome, by crucifixion, during the persecution of Nero in AD 64. As for crucifixion upside down, that is also testified to, but the evidence is weaker for this particular form of crucifixion. The apocryphal Acts of Peter is the earliest reference to crucifixion of Peter upside down. The earliest reference to the martyrdom of Peter comes from the letter of Clement of Rome (about AD 90). He said, in his Letter to the Corinthians, “Let us take the noble examples of our own generation. Through jealousy and envy the greatest and most just pillars of the Church were persecuted, and came even unto death… Peter, through unjust envy, endured not one or two but many labours, and at last, having delivered his testimony, departed unto the place of glory due to him.” Not much there as to the means or location of his death, but that it was an execution is clearly implied. Ignatius, in his Letter to the Romans about AD 110 claimed that Peter was bishop of Rome. Irenaeus of Lyon, about AD 180, agrees that Peter served in Rome. Tertullian, about AD 195 declared “But if you are near Italy, you have Rome, where authority is at hand for us too. What a happy church that is, on which the apostles poured out their whole doctrine with their blood; where Peter had a passion like that of the Lord, where Paul was crowned with the death of John (the Baptist, ie. by being beheaded). Dionysius of Corinth, also about AD 200 “You (Pope Soter) have also, by your very admonition, brought together the planting that was made by Peter and Paul at Rome and at Corinth; for both of them alike planted in our Corinth and taught us; and both alike, teaching similarly in Italy, suffered martyrdom at the same time” When Eusebius reported the crucifixion of Peter and the beheading of Paul in Ecclestiacial History, he was simply passing along a tradition which has been the unanimous opinion of the church for two hundred years. - source: evidenceforchristianity.org
Dear Oldman. Shalom. Let all men be liars, and the Word of God the truth. The Catholic Church can mobilize as many witnesses as they like. But the Holy Spirit will lead us who believe in Jesus the Messiah, alone, into all the truths.
The mother of all corruption and shame.The Catholic Church of Amiens in France have kept John the Baptists skull on a plate.
A Church in France holds a skull on a plate, and claims it is John the Baptist.
Jesus explains there have never been a greater man than John the Baptist walking the Earth. Still a Catholic Church in France, feels the need to keep a skull on a plate, and claims it is the very head of the baptist. Surely this picture is insane enough. But what should make the Catholic World grasping for fresh air, is an Italian claim, that the skull of the baptist is also to be found in Church of S.Sivestro in Rome. To be correct, only the backside of the skull has been kept in the city of the Vatican. And this piece of the head can be adored and venerated at a glass mounter. We need to take a look at a lot of pictures. Lets start with the photos from the Church in France.
The Amiens Cathedral in France.
The half skull kept on a pillow, and presented on a platter.
The head of John the Baptist on display in Amiens Cathedral. The relic was brought back from Constantinople (modern Istanbul) in 1206 after the sacking of the city by the Fourth Crusade.
But most of the time kept safely behind bars.
I do not think this Frenceman know the eternal consequences of copying Herodias.
The best site with photos of this skull, is made by an Orthodox “Christian”. Take a look. Since both Rome and a city in France is involved here, we have a problem with a dual claim to the same head. It is worth noticing that both these two Catholic Churches admit that they do support Catholic priests who have fought over a skull, and broken it into at least two pieces.
The skull, or the head of John the Baptist, is nevertheless not so “impressive” inside the Church in the city of Rome. Lets take a look:
The half skull, the backside, of claimed to be John the Baptist. St. Sylvester Church in Rome.
St. Sylvester Church in Rome
Who, if not Papist priests, have cut the skull of John the Baptist into two pieces? And the skull might have been cut in three, with one piece left in Turkey. Please keep on reading. This is surely one of the most bizarre example of Church adoration and veneration of any item. Two half skulls, separated by two national borders, by two Churches that both has the Pope as their head. But this story does not end here. To make the legacy of John the Baptist more complicated, the Grand Mosque of Damascus Syria also claim to have the head of John the Baptist. This head is kept in a small chapel inside the Islamic dome.
John the Baptist in the Mosque in Damascus, at least with the back turned towards us. Because I guess he has been kept reading verses from the Koran on the wall.
This amazing picture from a Mosque, can be viewed at this site. The official Syrian version:
Sheltered inside the mosque is the small chapel and shrine of John the Baptist (Prophet Yahia to the Muslims) where tradition holds that the head of John is buried. One legend says that when the church was demolished, his head was found underneath, complete with skin and hair. This head is believed by some to possess magical powers and continues to be the focus of the Mandaeans’ annual pilgrimage, when they press their foreheads against the metal grill of the shrine and reportedly experience prophetic visions.
Interesting photo from Damascus. I did not know there are chapel’s inside Mosques.
Catholics should flock to the Mosque in Damascus, and try to get a pieces of the “holy” head. There might even be some prophetic vision left.
And there is also a forth claim to the head, of the Jew who baptized the savior of the World. This head is kept in a Museum in the German city of Munich. In the Residenze, a castle belonging to the past Catholic Kings of Bavaria.
The most funny head you have ever seen. Or have the royals packed the skull, to avoid children getting nightmares after visiting this castle in Munich?
Just like king Herod, Catholic Kings of Bavaria lived in this castle. They both claimed to hold the head of John the Baptist.
If is of course difficult to understand, what is so special about people who keep the head of John the Baptist on a platter. It was only the completely wicked and evil wife of King Herod who took pleasure in such a gruesome sight. And probably also King Herod and his staff and followers. Why do our modern day Church goers want to share her joy, and probably also Herodias final destination? It is bad enough to see four different institutions trying to convince the World, they they have the genuine skull. The story eventually fall into the deepest pit of perversion, when a handful of Catholic and Orthodox Churches claim they have collected parts of his headless body. These claim presented by religious people, should leave the World’s best pathologists speechless. The Ottoman Empire did not only manage to slaughter and kill 1,5 million Armenians in the bloodiest genocide prior to the Holocaust. In Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul, modern day Turkey claim they have both his right arm, and a part of his skill. In fact, the top of his skull.
Can anyone really buy the story of whose remains are inside this golden container?
There are claimed to be remins of the baptists, held by a Museum in Istanbul.
I am sure many Muslims will be puzzled by the fact, that Islam do collect such items for adoration, just like collection of any idols. The same Museum also claim to be the correct holder of some of Muhammad’s beard. The Islamic relics does not look very different from the Catholics. But that is a different story. The problem with the Turkish claim of holding the right arm of John the Baptists, is that an Greek Orthodox Church claims to have the very same hand in its collection of relics.
The right hand of John the Baptist can simply not be in two different places at the same time.This is the Greek version of what looks like an idol hand of gold.
The Hellenists claims the remains of John are in this cloister in Greek.
And a Orthodox Church in Bulgaria recently claims they found one tooth of the Baptist.
Do this Bulgarian box hold a 2.000 year old tooth, and is it one of the teeth of John the Baptist.
The story of the corrupt Catholic Word of relics could have been continued for years. But there is surely a limit of how much perversion my readers can take. Let me make a summery: We know that John the Baptist lost his head, but not His salvation. All those who have made a mockery out of his legacy, deserve to be beheaded today it self. But that kind of punishment would not be Biblical. There is something eternal and much worse waiting for them, the day they find them self in the fire of Hell, both body and soul. First published: October 2nd 2010.
What on earth is it that drives this evil passion not only for bones but to actually fight and try to gain noteriety over famous bones?? WHY? This is what I want to know. All I can see is an obsession and determination to mock God and all that is holy to mankind’s redemtion.This is surely a passion driven from the deepest pits of hell!
Dear Melanie. Shalom. I love all Catholics. But I warn people about Catholicism. There is nothing good hidden inside the Vatican. I pray that all Catholics shall come to know the truth about this very corrupt and wicked religious system. I hope and pray I will find my own Catholic family members inside the Kingdom of Heaven. I can not save them. But I will keep on telling them the truth.
I pray the same for mine. I was born and brought up in a Catholic family but by God’s grace I left after getting born again and discovering the falsehood in it. My parents and siblings are still deeply rooted in it, and all I can do is pray that one day the truth will also dawn on them.
Boy….they worship skulls and bones in modern times & that too in the western world eh? Strange. But why do these people have such a morbid fascination? Can’t imagine!!!
Ivar, Your Post: Jesus explains there have never been a greater man than John the Baptist walking the Earth. Still a Catholic Church in France, feels the need to keep a skull on a plate, and claims it is the very head of the baptist. My Comment: Everytime I think I can’t be more shocked at the perversion of people, then something new comes along and I’m even more shocked/devestated. I wonder to those that claim these things with bones, and John the Baptist, if they don’t repent, I wonder what they will tell God on the day of judgment. This world has forgotten Jesus Christ, or refuses to acknowledge him, and yet they easily accepts lies like this.
Dear Gloria. Shalom. When I became A Christian, many of my old atheist friends became angry. One of them shouted: Have you become a Christian? My answer was, ‘no”. Since this friend had read a huge front page cover of my conversion, He kept on shouting. : – Now, you have became insane. You just went public with your new faith in Jesus. I said: Precisely. If I have to defend all wrongs that has been done in the name of “Christianity”, or in the name of the “Church”, even in the name of “Jesus”, I am surely not that kind of “Christian”. But I have found a new friend, I can no longer live without. His name is Jesus of Nazareth. He is the greatest Jew that ever lived, and He is the only begotten Son of God. Among believers, I do call my self a Christian. Because they are supposed to believe in the Word of God, and understand the true meaning of the word “Christianity”. Among non Believers who see all the wickedness branded as “Christianity”, like keeping skulls inside Churches, I have to admit that there are hundreds of millions of false Christians around, who have sold out their souls to Satan. Their wickedness keeps other hundreds of millions away from the true faith. Its a scam, its a huge tragedy. What Jesus said becomes a reality. The gates of Hell is wide open, and most of the people on Earth are not at all interested in walking the narrow path. They will surely not be able to make it through the narrow gate.
Ivar, It is a sad state indeed. Though I have known Christ all my life, and studied his word when I was younger, I only recently accepted him fully (about 2 years ago.)And I’ve been teaching my two children that Christ is the only way. I am the middle child of five. I have two brothers and 2 sisters, and all four of them used to praise God and go to church. But they have fallen away, and I worry for them. They are spirtually blind, and have not seen the things I have seen. But everyday, I do not give up, and pray to Christ that they return to him. It is hard. I’m disgusted with the moral decline of this world, and my own flesh and blood, think it is better to drink alcohol and do drugs. But Christ did say when these things happen in the world; his coming is near. So now I just say, Christ I leave my family in your hands. But I continue to speak to them and pray, including to my mother who is now sick with dementia. God Bless you Ivar.
My question is, what if John the Baptist has incarnated on earth today? He is here now. What then? If he is here now, it’s because the world has sunk so low, it needs many good souls to counteract the evil, to balance the earth or we would sink to a state where there would be no return. So I suggest, leave those who choose to worship in whatever way they want. That in itself is positive. By the way, there is NO HELL.
Dear Eliah John. Shalom, and welcome to this site. If there is no Hell, than Jesus is a liar. Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. (end of scripture) People who claim there is no Hell, will eventually end up exactly there.
Hello elijah john, I read where you siad, “……So I suggest, leave those who choose to worship in whatever way they want. That in itself is positive….” Then I read where Jesus said, Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. So, does it say worship the Father in whatever way they want or in spirit and truth?
Hi, I am interested in using the photo at the top of this article in an article I have written on beheading motifs in the Middle Ages. Do you own the copyright to it? If so, would you be willing to provide the permissions for it? I would happily provide a photo credit in the article. Many thanks, Asa Mittman
OMG This is too Much in stud of praying for god they are fighting for Bone. this is not at all good. Be-lived its they are of the great person but what he was teaching to mankind that have an Faith on the god but now it has changed to have faith on bones. Sorry For this if any one get Hurts……………………………….
Ivar, You have thru The Holy Spirit revealed why so many will turn from His Royal Majesty Christ The King! …I’ve often wondered it could not just be the sins that are so prevalent to be desired, some would have to be convinced of worshiping a false Jesus..and He said some will kill you thinking they are doing God a service…so Religion must must rise to a crescendo for many to follow (fall away from the Truth) Then as I prayed and prayed for this Truth, the scripture reminded me ‘that suffering comes with that knowledge’…not the exact words..’can’t bear the truth’…anyway..Ivar, this rips my heart out…but I do thank you for your faithfulness to this Anointing to show us, it’s not just the facts but the true love for the Lord and those He died for could this and things like this be told…we all have our Anointing and I thank Him for yours also!!… it too is a strength that no one can take away…though it be a terribly sad knowledge these people are slowly pulling so many away from …Ohh Ohh the song…Fall on your knees and hear the Angels voices Oh Night Divine when Christ was born… still to day the World lays in sin and dying…but Oh Glory My Love our Love will come…He will come…I do pray He will find ‘Faith’…I finally see why He said that…..!
Wow …Amen…it is disgusting…it should be shown to all in front of all so they can see that others see they refuse to leave the lying filth they hold onto instead of Jesus Christ…and are so proud to say “I am a Catholic but I pray only to Jesus…Liars!! they condone what these beasts do by their remaining faithful to be called a Catholic…instead of claiming they are cleansed by the Blood of Jesus Christ…the ONLY Lord of Glory!…
I like what you had written here and all the comments … Why that head and bones soo important for some people ? OMG. Well I am Muslim. For me the more important for Muslim are we believe that Prophet Isa (or Jesus in Christian) was not death and will come back to this world from Heaven. Prophet Muhammad said, Prophet Isa will come back the first time in Jami’ Umawi Mosque or The Great of Damascus Mosque now, where one head of John The Baptist Head allocated,
Dear Joseph Richardson Shalom. I know that it was not the question. But you received my reply. Any religious bone collector should listen to what Jesus said: Let the dead go and bury their own dead. The head of John The Baptists were collected by those who slaughtered Him. Let them face the stern judgment they deserve.
Reblogged this on Shield of God. and commented: 3 For Herod had arrested Yochanan, put him in chains and thrown him in prison because of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip; 4 since Yochanan had told Herod, “It violates the Torah for you to have her as your wife.” 5 Herod had wanted to put Yochanan to death; but he was afraid of the people, in whose eyes Yochanan was a prophet. 6 However, at Herod’s birthday celebration, Herodias’ daughter danced before the company and pleased Herod 7 so much that he promised with an oath to give her whatever she asked. 8 Prompted by her mother, she said, “Give me here on a platter the head of Yochanan the Immerser.” 9 The king became deeply upset; but out of regard for the oaths he had sworn before his dinner guests, he ordered that her wish be granted, 10 and sent and had Yochanan beheaded in prison. 11 The head was brought on a platter to the girl, and she gave it to her mother. 12 Yochanan’s talmidim came, took the body and buried it; then they went and told Yeshua. 13 On hearing about this, Yeshua left in a boat to be by himself in the wilderness. But the people learned of it and followed him from the towns by land.( Matthew 14 : 3-13) CJB
The Grand Mosque of Damascus used to be a byzantine ‘church’ building, that was converted into a mosque. (Interestingly, on one of the minarets, there are stars of David…) Nevertheless, it is common even in Islam to have veneration at the tombs of various ‘saints’. Many muslims also venerate ‘Maryam’ – catolic Mary.
The house of “Catholic Mary” was transported by angels to Croatia, and later to its present location in Italy. The black Madonna of Loreto is protecting the house.
The Black Madonna of Loreto is the protector of the ‘holy house” of Mary.
When the Roman Catholic Kingdom fell in Jerusalem in 1291, the Vatican claims angels took the house of Catholic Mary to a small village in todays Croatia. The town is Treatto i Dalmania, located 138 meters above sea leaven five kilometer east of the Adriatic sea. In 1294 angels came back to Croatia. The house disappeared, and resurfaced as the Holy House of Loreto in Italy.
This is supposed to be the “Holy house” of Mary who was airlifted from Nazareth, and landed in Croatia.
This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has recorded:
Three years later, in the beginning of the pontificate of Boniface VIII, it was carried again by the ministry of angels and placed in a wood near this hill, in the vicinity of Recanati, in the March of Ancona; where having changed its station thrice in the course of a year, at length, by the will of God.
The Vatican ban any doubt of this transportation by angles.
That the traditions thus boldly proclaimed to the world have been fully sanctioned by the Holy See cannot for a moment remain in doubt. More than forty-seven popes have in various ways rendered honour to the shrine, and an immense number of Bulls and Briefs proclaim without qualification the identity of the Santa Casa di Loreto with the Holy House of Nazareth.
Source: Catholic Encyclopedia How a stone house from Nazareth in Israel can fly to Croatia in truly a mystery for the Pontiff. But the Bishop of Rome claims this to be trustworthy and true. To ship this house by sea would be really be difficult. Since Nazareth is an inland village in Israel, and the Croatian town is located away from the sea, and at a height of 138 meter.
With the Moslems taking over Albania in 1294 and the possibility of profanation, the House disappeared from Tersatto. According to some shepherds, it was seen on December 10, 1294, being borne aloft by Angels across the Adriatic sea and came to rest in a wooded area four miles from Recanati, Italy.
Source: Catholictradition.org. It is also a mystery why “god” wanted this house to land in Croatia in the first place. In 1291 A.D Croatia was a part of the kingdom of Hungary, who did not properly submit to the Holy kingdom of Germany Roman Empire. This was the second Roman Empire, with the Pope as its spiritual head. Since the house landed in Hungary, it is possible that the angles mistook the location. They might just have dropped the structure at the wrong place. An appearance of the “holy virgin” to a Croatian priest is used as a testimony of the genuine origin of the structure. The Angles felt for taking the house into proper Papal territory in Italy. Again it was airlifted. When you look at the structure claimed to be the house of “Catholic Mary”, you can not avoid to be troubled by its Babylonian look. It has a lot of “Holy sculptures” on its walls, and seems to be a house of a rich lady. Probably the “Queen of Heaven”. My comment: Like Muhammad was airlifted by his horse Al-Buraq from Mecca to Jerusalem, the house of the“ever virgin” was airlifted to Italy through Croatia. The purpose of such a flight is not known. The theological implications are not fully analyzed. Everything is possible for God, even airlifting buildings. But why would “god” relocate the house of Mary to Italy? And why is this Italian Madonna and her son both black?
A black Madonna and her black “Christ” is the guardian of the “Holy house” now located inside a Church in central Italy.
The Pope bow before the Black Madonna of Loreto.
The Israeli Government should take legal actions against this “Catholic god”, who has robbed God of Israel for cultural items of public interest. Everything possible must be done to get the house back to Nazareth, and make it a proper tourist attraction. No. Heaven forbid. Keep this falsehood where is truly belong. In Roman Catholic Italy.
Jeremiah 10:14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge; every goldsmith is shamed by his idols. The images he makes are a fraud; they have no breath in them.
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Even today false teachers, male & female; FLY super fast with the angles of light;anywhere and everywhere. So Black Mary Transported as per whims of Pope is not much questionable. Bunch of IDIOTS……………………
It’s not surprising that people believed this kind of stuff during the Dark Age when the Roman Catholic church flourished and grew in power. The popes at that time probably never foresaw the day when they would be exposed for the frauds that they are. What is surprising is that people still believe this kind of stuff. Many are still in a Dark Age.
2 Thess 2 verses 9 – 12 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. When God says He will send ‘strong delusion’ He means it, give thanks that you are not under this delusion, take the time to by God tried by fire and white garments to hide your nakedness. God is firmly in control, it might not look like it, but study closely His Word and He will reveal all that you need to know.
Amen Alistair! I’m so thankful that in my everyday attempt to be righteous and I am still a sinner, that the Lord has given grace and mercy. I am so thankful for my sight and hearing the Lord has given me for seeking truth, at some point those who keep choosing untruth and lies should get what they seek, God is so fair in our reward be it good or bad.
March 8, 2012 Roman Catholics. Please look at these pictures, and read the warnings from the prophet Isaiah, a man of God most High.
Roman Catholics bow down and worship idols of stone and wood.
Isaiah 47
1“Go down, sit in the dust, Virgin Daughter Babylon; sit on the ground without a throne, queen city of the Babylonians. No more will you be called tender or delicate. 2 Take millstones and grind flour; take off your veil. Lift up your skirts, bare your legs, and wade through the streams. 3 Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered. I will take vengeance; I will spare no one.”
Catholic Children are told to bow down before the idol of the eternal queen.
4 Our Redeemer—the LORD Almighty is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.
A old hospitalized Catholic is told by his priest to touch and trust the Queen of Heaven.
5“Sit in silence, go into darkness, queen city of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms. 6 I was angry with my people and desecrated my inheritance; I gave them into your hand, and you showed them no mercy. Even on the aged you laid a very heavy yoke. 7 You said, ‘I am forever— the eternal queen!’ But you did not consider these things or reflect on what might happen.
Bowing down and kissing an image of the Queen of Heaven
Bowing down and kissing an idol of stone.
8“Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.’ 9 Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells.
10 You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’ 11 Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you.
In chains to sin, bowing before an idol of a created being made of stone.
The late Pope was a slave to sin, offering incense to an idol of the Queen of Heaven.
12“Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror. 13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you.
A Roman Catholic kissing an idol of wood, claimed to be the eternal Queen.
14 Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. These are not coals for warmth; this is not a fire to sit by. 15 That is all they are to you— these you have dealt with and labored with since childhood. All of them go on in their error; there is not one that can save you.
Carrying the Queen of Heaven on their shoulder, an idol of wood.
Isaiah 46:5-7 “With whom will you compare me or count me equal? To whom will you liken me that we may be compared? Some pour out gold from their bags and weigh out silver on the scales; they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god, and they bow down and worship it. They lift it to their shoulders and carry it; they set it up in its place, and there it stands. From that spot it cannot move. Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer; it cannot save them from their troubles.
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At masakren i Sebrenica har blitt forfalska er ukjent stoff for meg. Har du ein link?
Thank you for the text about the mass for Pavelic. I come from one of the ex Yugoslav countries and I am familiar with what happened during second World War in Croatia to non-catholics. Is it is possible to get a translation of Lars-Toralf S. comment and yours above please, cause I would like to hear what does he say about Srebrenica. I have to say that I see you know about this issue (Croatian nacism) quite a lot. Thank you.
Shalom.
There is no secrets in my shot communication with Lars Toralf.
I just questioned Him to give me a link to a claimed fabrication of the Srebrenica massacre. I am not aware of this kind of fabrications, but have always trusted the information given by the Bosnian government, the UN and NATO.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I notice that propaganda on the 1940-1945 is believed by the blogger. May he than be thankful to me also, for pointing out, that Adolph Hitler was a Roman Catholic, that Adolph Hitler would sign a Concordat with the Vatican in 1933, as soon as he was in power.
My reply:
I will surely be thankful to you, also….For commenting on this blog. But I wounder what kind of propaganda “the blogger” has published from the “1940-1945″?
Kindly explain this to me, so I can correct my self.
Shalom.
When I read your comments, i understand that from the conspire theorists camp, I am a quite liberal critics of the Vatican. Good to know.
Let me take your points one by one:
Dresden:
You wrote:
Off course Dresden was not the only city that was bombed….
My reply:
If Dresden was the only city that was destroyed, there may be were something in your theory. But unfortunately, two million Germans were killed during the Bombers command carpet bombings of Nazi-Germany in 1944-45. The fireball’s that destroyed larger sections of Hamburg, killed more people than in Dresden. Also the people of Berlin, faced an allied massacre. The US and UK bombed the city from the air, and Russians slaughtered the Germans on the ground.
All wars are a horrible crime against humanity.
I agree that the attack on Dresden, was a war crime. There was no justification, other than pure revenge for the blitz on London. Dresden was poorly defended by German air defense system. The city was raped from the air.
So was the US nuclar attack on Hirosima. Any Jesuits involved in that bombing too?
Shalom.
You wrote:
Another important fact, is that British and other Western Asian troops where shocked by the massacre of Southern baptists at Omaha beach at D-Day 1944. The top military of the American Army would use the opportunity to kill American non-Catholics.
My comment:
I did not know that there ever have been a census done, over the fallen US soldiers on Omaha beach. In fact, this is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And believe me: I have read a lot of strange stuff.
Do you really believe that German Nazi-General in Omaha, Normandie, got a list over Southern Baptists from the US generals?
And that this list included where these young soldiers were told to run on the beach?
Have you gone completely insane?
There were 1200 Germans killed during this horrible battle. To try to count the total number of Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists who were killed, is a mad mans calculation
Shalom.
You wrote:
If you do not know about Omaha Beach in 1944, you might not understand what I try to convey.
My reply:
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I am not sure you are completely “with us”. I will spam all the comments you have published so fare. I have never done that before, but it is for your own protection.
Do you read me?
I will look for your comments in the spam filter. If I see some repentance, I will permit you to continue.
Shalom.
I have spammed Geus.
Please reply if I address you. This is a comment field, and the spam button will be used when it is necessary.
Keep in mind that Jehovah Witnesses and Latter day saints, (Mormons) do not use crosses.
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2008/01/us-dog-tags-used-to-set-up-protestants.html
How dare you write that?
You don`t know what you are talking about…
You will face great persecution for trying to expose those crimes in this day and age. It is a fact that Hitler modeled his holocaust after Pagan Rome and the Roman Catholic Church’s persecution of the jews. Hitler also worked with arab muslims who wanted to help destroy the jews. The book “Petrus Romanus” by Tom Horn and Cris Putnam does a decent jobs at explaining all of this.