The harlots returns home to their “mother church”
Anglicans, Orthodox and High Lutherans is about to return to the antichrist in Rome.
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The Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and the Archbishop of Canterbury will join Pope Benedict XVI’s celebration of the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council, it was announced today.
Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople and Dr Rowan Williams will attend the Mass that Pope Benedict will celebrate at the Vatican to mark the anniversary of the opening of the council on October 11, 1962, Vatican officials said.
Source: The Catholic Herald
My comment:
All the Church reformers belled the Pope in Rome as a antichrist.
Today reformed Church leaders are about to return back to Rome, and jump the lessons of the Reformation.
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This is made possible because of spiritual prostitution in the mainline Churches. Like acceptance of mass murder of children in abortion, acceptance of Sodomy as something nobel and “holy”, and “Holy war” against the Zionist state of Israel.
The harlots can return home to Rome, because the “Mother Church” her self is a great whore, the mysterious Babylon. The mother of harlots.
Rome is lead by the very priesthood of Satan, who worship a false Messiah. This priesthood even rape the Roman Catholic Children and altar boys. They hail the Pope as the vicar of Christ, and a replacement of God the Holy Spirit.
You have to chose which gate you are going to walk through. The wide gates of Rome is the very highway to Hell. The narrow gate is not easy to find, in our days of massive deception. But The Holy Spirit will lead your down the narrow part to the Kingdom of Heaven, is you are willing to obey the Word of God.
Its your choice.
First published: 26th of September, 2012.
Written by Ivar
The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople will bow before the Papacy.
Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople and Dr Rowan Williams will attend the Mass that Pope Benedict will celebrate at the Vatican to mark the anniversary of the opening of the council on October 11, 1962, Vatican officials said.
Source: The Catholic Herald
My comment:
All the Church reformers belled the Pope in Rome as a antichrist.
Today reformed Church leaders are about to return back to Rome, and jump the lessons of the Reformation.
Rowan Williams is a spiritual prostitute, bowing and kissing the ring of the “fisherman”.
Revelation 17:5
King James Version (KJV)
And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
Rome is lead by the very priesthood of Satan, who worship a false Messiah. This priesthood even rape the Roman Catholic Children and altar boys. They hail the Pope as the vicar of Christ, and a replacement of God the Holy Spirit.
You have to chose which gate you are going to walk through. The wide gates of Rome is the very highway to Hell. The narrow gate is not easy to find, in our days of massive deception. But The Holy Spirit will lead your down the narrow part to the Kingdom of Heaven, is you are willing to obey the Word of God.
Its your choice.
First published: 26th of September, 2012.
Written by Ivar
“Actions speak louder than
words.”
“If any man come to you, and
bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into the house nor say
to him, God speed you. For he
that sayeth unto him, God speed
you, communicateth with his
wicked works.” (2 John 1:10)
“Bear not the yoke with
unbelievers. For what
participation hath justice with
injustice? Or what fellowship
hath light with darkness? And
what concord hath Christ with
Belial? Or what part hath the
faithful with the unbeliever?
And what agreement hath the
temple of God with idols? For
you are the temple of the living
God: as God saith: I will dwell in
them and walk among them. And
I will be their God: and they
shall be my people. Wherefore:
Go out from among them and be
ye separate, saith the Lord, and
touch not the unclean thing.” (2
Cor. 6:14-16)
I’m interested to know your perspective on the matter.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Shalom Ivar, I have a sincere question, If these Protestants (harlots as you put it) are returning to the ‘Whore”, doesn’t it stand to reason that Protestants are the daughters….
My reply:
The harlots are all the mainline Churches who do not accept that the Pope is an antichrist. There are also protestant Churches that clearly say that the Pope is an antichrist. There will only be two camps in the end of the road. The sheep and the goats.
From a paper my son wrote on the topic and posted 1/28/13 on my blog:
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“The Sunday…is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 883. 17
“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason…The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance…The author of the Sunday law…is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914. 16
“Sunday…is the law of the Catholic Church alone…” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893. 18
“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903. 20
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I don’t post those to stir up trouble. There are many more such quotes among Catholics… I post them to demonstrate that RCC dogma plainly states that they believe all who worship on SUNday are their daughters and they are intent on regathering them to Rome. Therefore, this article does not surprise me.
Shalom.
And we will see ‘many’ of todays Religious Leaders dancing around to ‘get another voted into office’ to help them also to be the Pied Piper to lead many into the captivity….Dear God in heaven…as exciting as it is to be a part of these times, it is also equally very painful….
2Thessolians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Thessolians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Thessolians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Thessolians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Folks are sadly led into deception and false hope, believing their own efforts and works will contribute to their salvation. The man-centred, man-pleasing, purpose driven, saddle bag, common purpose, seeker sensitive, utopia-gospel absolutely FAILS every time because it will not and cannot accept that the root cause of all mans troubles is not of a political, social, cultural, sexual, intellectual, economic, religious or moral origin, but rather is the fact of mans SIN. The fake preachers-wether they be old school catholic priests or “cool” post modern ministers (LOL) in the “emergent” church-are truly wolves in sheeps clothing, serving the same anti-Christ spirit, because they do not preach the gospel that uncovers mans awful and terrible condition of sin; the gospel which presents the only approved and available cure, only found in a living submitted relationship with the Lord Jesus through his shed blood, and not one that is acheived by engagement in experimental evolutionary theology, social programmes, community schemes, mysticism, ecumental initiatives, interfaith dialogue etc etc. The works which God HAS planned in advance for men-plans to prosper, give hope and a future etc-are only possible AFTER this vitally important step of spiritual rebirth. The armenianists think if you get your good works done right, if you live as a fine upstanding member of the brotherhood of man, you will be saved……they do not see Jesus as God…..only a wise teacher, guru, good role model, mentor, etc etc. They actually despise and reject His holy credentials as the Son of God, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world..
Despite what the post modern theorists will assert, man is absolutely no different today than he was a decade, or a century, or a millenia ago. Still crippled with sin, rebellion, guilt, shame, pride, arrogance and rebellion; always very very reluctant to accept and face up to this reality, always wanting to persecute and destroy true biblical righteousness, always trying to invent religious rules and codes and rituals to try to do away with sin on his own terms…man is still just as primitive, spiritually, as he was when adam first fell all those years ago….
“Your prophets have seen vain and foolish things for you: and they have not discovered your iniquity, to turn away your captivity; but have seen for you false burdens and causes of banishment.”
Lamentations 2:14
“I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brothers, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Galatians 1:6-12
“Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them.”
2 Corinthians 4:1-4
Osteen desire unity among Baptists and Catholics
My church now is filled with people of every denomination. Victoria grew up in the Church of Christ, so I think in that sense it’s changed for the better – there’s not so many things separating us. Here at Marlins Park, I’m sure there will be every denomination. I had somebody at my church Sunday who came by afterwards to say, “that was a great sermon,” and coming from an Atheist that means a lot. Continue»
Source: Christian Post
My comment:
I do not know why I keep taking this preacher seriously. Not being able to see why Baptists and Catholics are separated, Joel Osteen remains spiritually blindfolded.
It is a mystery how Osteen can have missed that there is a Baptism with full emersion in water, after people are confessing faith in Jesus. And there are Catholics who sprinkle water of infants, and declare them saved.
It is also a mystery that Osteen do not know that Roman Catholics believe in an infallible Pope, pray to saints and the “Queen of Heaven:”, and worship bones, skulls and corpses. True Baptists do non of this. For obvious reasons.
Since these kind of issues does not matter for Joel Osteen, I guess no doctrinal differences will affect this man, as long as the cash comes in. Many moneymakers proclaim that “God is good all the time”.
Please do not listen to this lawless man.
Written by Ivar
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Shalom, and love in Yeshua.
Thanks for blessing me. Return to sender. Love and grace.
Only god is ALWAYS right on.
With all due respect, you mistook what Lyn is saying. From Lyn’s post, I do not get she’s idolizing Ivar. From her post, I get that she’s thanking her Brother in Christ for his blog, and for preaching the Word of Jesus.
Giving thanks to our Brothers and Christ, and loving them is not a dangerous thing.
That is how Jesus wants us to be with each other.
God Bless,
Gloria
I’m glad that I’m not the only one bothered by Lyn’s “ALWAYS right on” comment. Lyn, your gravatar profile shows that you have actual conversations with God. Scripture teaches that, though God spoke in the past through the prophets, He now speaks to us through His Son whose words have been recorded for us in written form in His word. That God might be heard speaking audibly might happen, but not in a “conversation”. You’re on dangerous ground. You also have a comment stating that “what truly matters is that we love ourselves”. In Luke 10:27 we are told to “Love the Lord your God with all your strength and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.” It seems to imply that loving oneself is already a given and our main focus, or to use your words, “what truly matters” should be on loving God and others, not self.
In Christ,
Chris
Shalom.
I can not approve on your last comment.
Early this morning Lyn Leath was questioned because of the words she used to bless me. I guess we both can handle this. But: Next, she become the topic of a debate based on her gravtar.
On this site, the debate will be on the concerned articles and topics. Kindly accept this guideline.
Shalom.
I can sense there is a debate about the Holy Spirit down the pipeline. What the Holy Spirit can do, and what we feel he can not do.
Since God made a donkey speak in the past, I guess you can not stopp Him from doing so in the future. Florence Nightingale has testified that Jesus spoke to her on several occasions during the Crimian war. I have no objections to that, as long as what was said is inline with scripture.
The Bible is not the only authority in matters of faith. But it is surely the highest authority. God can not go against His own Word.
Jesus gives his instructions to the Church, both by the gifts of tongues, and by the gifts of interpretation. He do not only speak to the Church through the scriptures. He even communicate through prophets. Being lead by the Holy Spirit, is an important part of everyday life of a Bible-obeying Christians.
I have personally heard His audible voice, once. It was no conversation, but a simple and short message in the midst of extreme chaos and confusion: “Trust me”. I did, and everything worked out fine. All glory to Jesus the Messiah.
You said: Lyn, your gravatar profile shows that you have actual conversations with God. Scripture teaches that, though God spoke in the past through the prophets, He now speaks to us through His Son whose words have been recorded for us in written form in His word. That God might be heard speaking audibly might happen, but not in a “conversation”.
My comment: The Lord has spoken to me since I was 8 years old. The fact that I call Jesus, God, Dios, King does not bother him, because God has always answered me. So my point is you are assuming that Lyn means God and not Jesus. John 10:30 says: I and the father are One.
As for the conversation thing, and using that exact word? You do not know how Lyn meant it, yet you say she is on “dangerous” ground.
Also you make a comment about Lyn’s profile. Did you notice that she also has this on her profile: “My hope is to bring people to repentance through my writing, and to bring those who do not know Him as Lord of their lives to the cross of Jesus Christ. May all be blessed, because there isn’t much time left! Jesus Christ is coming soon!”
God Bless,
Gloria
Gloria
A question for Ivar.
What do you prefer: Distributing a translation of your posts or to be given thanks to?
Shalom.
You asked:
What do you prefer: Distributing a translation of your posts or to be given thanks to?
My reply:
Can I be permitted to be a little bit like Winnie-the-Pooh? being told to chose between milk and honey, he said, Yes, thank you. Both.
Shalom.
I am happy to have my articles translated into Danish. Thanks to you, and also to Jesus. You are doing a great job.
Is it like that in this debat?
Shalom.
You wrote:
Your thanks fell on a dry place. Most “Christians” in Norway and Denmark mock me for bringing this things about.”We just had such a cozy time. Why shall Lis Jensen always destroy it?”
Is it like that in this debat?
My reply:
I know that many Christians in Denmark and Norway do not like what you are writing. But when did you become concerned with what people think about you?
Sometimes I am concerned with what people think. I am not made by stones. But it was just a strike of self-pity. Excuse me.
“The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.”
Gloria
Shalom.
I am amazed that a magazine that call it self “Christian” do not expose this evil. Unfortunately both the two Christian dailies of Norway has been taken capture by the enemy. The road back to Rome is short, for all who accept lawlessness.
I personally am nondenominational, but I am absolutely opposed to ecumenicism because it is based on the assumption that doctrinal purity is not important.
anyone that says or even suggests or hints that a catholic can join with any other religion like these it’s the same as saying Jesus and Satan are brothers….and Mormons and Christians are brothers and sisters! .sheer crazy….
Shalom.
Osteen is preaching a gospel of prosperity. He is not a true biblical christian.
Shalom.
What is a non-Biblical Christian?
it is revealed long time ago.
Shalom.
So lets say in in plain words. Osteen is not a Christian. Like the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, he sometimes speak about “Jesus”. Even, some of his prayer’s end “in the name of ‘Jesus”.
Dozens, but still people consider them to be “Christians”
Shalom.
It is not the majority opinion of people who define who is a Christian, and who is not. It is the Bible. Also Hindus take the name of Jesus, and have high regards for “him”.
It is not denominational name that separates, it is faith in Christ alone for salvation, along with many other vital doctrinal truths that separate the Baptists from the Catholics. Also, how can there be unity between the Catholics and a group that was never part of the Catholic cult in the first place?
Something tells me (and I could be wrong) that he barely even reads the Bible, because lining up ‘Biblical doctrines’ to those listed by the Catholic and all other churches, would help folks to see where they stand when it comes to “YHWH-God’s/Yeshua’s-Jesus’ Truth” and Word in the long run. But, why do this when you can write books telling folks how they can live, “they’re best live now” (when Christ nor the Apostles said NO such thing), or make “every day a Friday” and other such “feel happy for the time being” books.
Why tell the Truth God’s way, when you can keep letting the blind fall into the ditch you’re digging for them? The ‘itching ears’ are working overtime but sadly too many just don’t seem to care. Lord have mercy on their souls, I pray not only for them to ‘wake up’ and seek the Lord’s Truth, but Joel and his ‘followers’ as well.
Shalom.
I agree with you. I have ministered to some New Ager’s, who also take the name of Jesus. They claim the love Him. But they refuse to bow before the Messiah of the Bible. They do not even read the Bible.
I have heard Joel Osteen quoting some scriptures here and there, as a defense of his “feel good messages”. But never heard him take a stand against sin, and asked people to repent. Such a man is not a Christian.
13″ For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” (2Corinthians 11:13-15)
Thanks for the information.
I did not know, that Joel Osteen belongs to the emerging church movement, and that this movement is orchestrated by “Rome.”
8″But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9)
He is a wolf to the extreme, and he says that he gets applause for his “sermons” from atheists even? So that means there is ZERO conviction power in his messages. They aren’t convicting at all, because an atheist can walk away feeling good about themselves and yet remain believing that there is no God at all.
Shalom.
Do you have a link to this statement of Joel Osteen? That even atheists give him applause.
“I had somebody at my church Sunday who came by afterwards to say, “that was a great sermon,” and coming from an Atheist that means a lot.”
Shalom.
Ooh…I better read the full articles i quote from and link up….Thanks.
That Osteen is happy being hailed by Atheists, and that this means a lot to him, exposes him as a religious man of fraud.
God bless all…..its better to love than to make our points without asking God…
It is the fault of people who preach that truth telling is hatred and judgmental that people are not coming to repentance because they have no guilt for their sin anymore. Instead, they want to delight themselves in a message that only makes them feel good and safe. Woe unto such people for believing such a lie! Praise God for those of us who are not afraid to tell the truth and who see truth as a divine, gracious act of love.
If you see someone about to ingest poison, you cry out to them and try to stop them from killing themselves. If you did not, you would be a very shameful person. So it is the same with spiritual, soul killing poison. We who love those ingesting it do not want to see them spend eternity in hell. We cry out in warning to them, and we try to stop them.
For example. When my children are dong something that will harm them, I quickly and firmly warn them to stop doing this thing. My tone of voice is that of warning and firmness… warning and firmness is a form of love…a very powerful one at that. Because you see, when we warn and we are firm (and I mean in a kind way..I do not promote cursing or hatred as we do so), we will be persecuted, put down, and mocked. But if I just smile and act kindly, or make my words politically correct so as not to offend, I might as well have done nothing at all. It is more of an honor to speak truth..the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, boldly, and be shamed for it than it is to add ear tickling spice.
Jesus mentioned the seasoning of salt, and to be the salt of the earth. Let’s look at that in a slightly different light. What happens when you rub salt on a wound? Working in the medical industry, I can tell you, (and most people know this already) that salt actually heals wounds..however, it burns like fire! Let us ponder this.
Our truthful words will sting and hurt, but they will heal the wounds of people. And we might be rejected right at the moment. However, we have planted a seed. Maybe a year later that person who rejected us will suffer a loss…and out of nowhere, those words we spoke will spring forth and begin to take root.
God bless you.
give Joel Osteen a break, pray for Him ….leave it all to God…
Love is the greatest-God is Love, and love does not critizise…
Since Osteen doesn’t teach truth, then he is the one that is full of hate, and we expose him on it.
Shalom.
Grace preacher Joseph Prince?
I hope he preach the gospel about Jesus being the only way to heaven? That God’s problem with man is sin, and that those who do not repent, but take pleasure in their life in the flesh, will be judged and face eternity in Hell?
Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Matthew 7:16, You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Moreover, we can not gather true and anointed doctrine from one who perverts the Word of God.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I believe true Christian we don’t just write words that are accusing, judging, negatives,and saying people are misled or deceived, we don’t know everything like God.
My reply:
So you don’t mind letting the wolfs taking care of the sheep’s?
I believe goodness of God will lead to repentance,..but some people still don’t want to repent even after so many goodness and patience from God?
The Apostle Paul said: “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8-9).
God will be the Judge of us all. In the mean time if given the opportunity, we should always speak the truth, always in love, to those going down the road not leading to eternal life. That’s not criticism, that’s love. God bless you.
If a person doesn’t teach God’s truth, then they don’t have God’s love. That is why Osteen is a hater of mankind, since he teaches lies, then that proves that Osteen is the hater.
Read the bible…be full of God’s compassion and love, I bet you Joel is doing much more in helping people more than you have done, that’s why He is well known.
You think Joel does not have God’s love, but Joel never commented evil about you at all , but yet you have been commenting all this hars words. The true Christian is not attacking!
I agree with Andy and Ivar. We must correct the wolves in sheeps clothing, in hopes they will repent. Let us not stand by and do nothing.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
no difference to worldly people.I call it hippo!
You can call it whatever you want. But I choose to use the Word of God to first let people know how Jesus saves, and among other things, to correct those who as Ivar described perfectly, wolves in sheep clothing.
So apparently you have never read the Bible. The “jesus” that you worship, is not the Jesus of the Bible, who was very rough against false teachers, who called them devils and wolves and told people to expose them and avoid them. The true Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, would have been called “unchristlike” by you.
Osteen is a wolf, a false teacher, a son of satan, who leads people to hell.
I couldn’t have said it better myself. When it comes to Biblical Truth, there is no mincing words, we have to tell it like it is. I think Albert is under ‘strong delusion’ and following the ‘doctrine of demons.’ Anyone who cannot discern truth from deception is in peril of believing anything. Many are being deceived by the likes of Joel Osteen and others who are promoting a ‘different gospel.’
God bless you for speaking the Truth.
i’m so surprised there are so many judgemental and negative religious people out there, lack of humility and love……….repent!
Keep preaching the truth! There aren’t many doing that.
Shalom.
You wrote:
This is why the world hate Christianity and church because of your attitudes towards other Christians, no forgiveness, no kindness, very sad!
My comment:
It is nice that many people have a lot of opinions, but you need to read more in your Bible.
Mark 13:13
Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Shalom, and thanks for blessing me. Such comments will secure a continuation of this blog. May Jesus the Messiah bless you too.
Since you reject the Bible and insist on the lies of Osteen, you will have nothing but unbelievers like Gandhi to quote. Gandhi hated the truth too, so like Osteen, he led people to hell.
That’s not love. That’s hate. Osteen and Gandhi, the haters of mankind.
Shalom.
In principle I agree with you. But not everything is black or white. Very few persons “only good” or “only evil”. There are colors, and shades of gray.
Some teachers are confused. One of them is Joel Osteen. Very often we hear him answer critical questions with. “Oh, I’m not sure, I feel, but”, etc. We hardly hear him using the scriptures to defend his faith (or whatever we shall call his messages).
As you have said: Do this man read the Bible?
We need to pray for Him, and the 50.000 people who sit and listen to this confused man every Sunday. And the millions of people who have read his books, and found nothing fishy and false. Not to forget all who hail him, watching his programs on God-Tv.
The challenge with people who have been deceived, is that if they knew about the deception, they would leave the deception. No deceived soul desire to live i deception. Not even Joel Osteen.
While I do understand what you’re trying to say to Andy I have this to say. If you are a teacher and you are ‘confused’ by what the Word of God says, then maybe God does not want you to teach. Not everyone is called to ‘teach,’ most these days are in it for money. Blinded by ‘mammon.’ That is why we have all of the Wolves in Sheep’s clothing. I just want to say that when it comes to the word of God, there is no compromise. It is black or white. For me, there is no gray. God bless you.
“And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Peter 1:19-21.
Shalom.
Not everyone is a teacher, but all of us should be able to teach. At least the ABC about salvation. If not, we are not Christians.
to study God’s word so we may not be deceived by false doctrine. Also to be able to give to anyone that asks, reason for the ‘hope’ that we have in Christ. The good news of the ‘Gospel’ of salvation and eternal life. thanks for answering.
You all talk about truth but your words coming out like GRAVE….
Speak truth in LOVE- find out about LOVE…
JOEL,OSTEEN IS GOD’s anointed still, if you are perfect or never did wrong in your life, be the first to throw the first Rock!
True repentance is this: Guilt/shame+Admittance of fault+Apology to God and/or those offended+CEASE THE BEHAVIOR
Then God forgives. Repentance is necessary to salvation.
There is a verse that people like yourself often use, but you forget one important word in it. Here it is:
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus, who DO NOT WALK ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, but according to the Spirit.
There is no condemnation if you are IN CHRIST JESUS. If you are outside of His well, well then, I”m afraid there is condemnation for you. And, for those who DO NOT walk according to the flesh.
You are on dangerous ground, Albert. You need to study your Bible and make sure of what you preach. Because I tell you this..you are among the lukewarm who God is going to VOMIT out of His mouth! And that is a dangerous place to be! You need to get on your hands and your knees asap and tell God you are sorry and change your ways before you lead anyone else astray with this deception.
Revelation 3:15-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,[a] I will vomit you out of My mouth.
If you are right, Albert..the Bible is a lie. If you are wrong, the Bible is true. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you admit you are wrong, or you call God’s Word a lie. Your theory goes against God’s Word. Do you put yourself above God?
I hate to burst your bubble..but Jesus DID NOT die to make it okay for you, or anyone to sin. And I will defend God’s Word to the grave! And those who do not defend God’s Word..like you..are shameful to the Body of Christ!
If we are saved only while we are living in a constant state of repentance as you seem to describe, then we have no hope, because nobody is at any time without sin. The blood of Christ atones for the sin of those who receive him.
Paul describes the consequences of a Christian walking after the flesh:
[1 Corinthians 3] “If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet WILL BE SAVED—even though only as one escaping through the flames.”
The scripture you quote has to be considered in context of Paul lamenting his own failure to live a sinless life. It is therefore obvious that Paul wasn’t saying that his failure meant he was going to be sent to Hell.
Jesus says he loses none of those God gave him.
Let me also leave you with this verse:
Matthew 7:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Old testament: “Abraham believed God, and God counted that belief as righteousness”
New testament: “By grace are we saved through faith. And that faith is not our own, it’s a gift from God”
We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ’s atoning blood ALONE. He who does the will of Jesus’ father is the one who believes in him.
Obedience should be the result of our gratitude for the free gift of salvation, not an attempt to buy what is already freely given. The treasure we are encouraged to lay up in heaven does not include salvation.
When Christ died to pay the price of our sin, it was for all our sin – past, present and future. Otherwise we are in a hopeless situation because we are constantly sinning. Sin means to miss the mark. Not just being a druggie, or an adulterer. Lacking faith in our walk with Christ is sin too!
“All have sinned and fell short of the glory of God”. “If a man says he is without sin he is a liar”. If you think the guy in the video has got it right, tell me at what point the balance of sin over righteousness tips a person who has accepted Christ into Hell. And tell me how Jesus can lose anyone God has given him when he says he won’t.
If Paul tells us there are some who will get into heaven with nothing more than the robe of righteousness, who are we to say it should be stripped from their backs?
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I do not think Paul planned to sin. Neither do I. But the flesh is surely weak…Like: If Paul was attracted to women, He must surely have had many temptations coming his way.
Paul has not explained what he did, that he should not have been doing. But he display his weaknesses.
Romans 7:18-20
For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it
James 5: 14-16 in not for non-believers, but for us who are saved, but still do foolish things, like sinning.
Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
No one is calling for his death; but for his repentance.
Have been reading your post’s and agree with both of you.
While each has a particular bent in regards to salvation. ie;
Repentance required and grace through faith.
I have been meditating the last couple of weeks about the phrase “in Christ”. This is one of the questions that comes out of the New Testament or New Covenant. Are you in Christ. What does that mean? It is a question that has to do with belonging.
To be in something one has to get into it. Many people get in something. An organization, an event. To get in you must decide first that you want to get in. To get or be “in Christ” first starts with faith. Believing him,understanding what he has done for you and trusting in him alone. If that belief is genuine and God knows if it is, something instantly and spiritually happens. A baptism by God takes place. Your nature is put to death. And a new nature is given to you which is resurrected. II Cor 5:17 if any man is in Christ he is a new creation. Old things are passed away(put to death) and everything becomes new. Knowing that you have been resurrected with a new nature you are ,now free to walk in newness of life. By your first birth you are in Adam which is part of the old creation which was foiled and cursed. By your second birth you are “in Christ which is part of the new creation. In Christ
you have been born again. To sin is not what you do, nor is it what you want to do. You are not a sinner anymore. That is not to say that you don’t sin, but its not what you want to do. Your desire “in Christ” is to be holy. You are righteous and that is how God looks at you and see’s you through his son. So many say
“We are sinners” but in Christ you are not a sinner anymore, because that sinful person was put to death. And was raised
As a new person part of a new creation. The trouble with so many is that they don’t know who they are “in Christ”. They still think that the old person still exists. If the old person still exists
Then it’s very possible that the baptism of God did not occur because that persons belief was not real. And God knows if it is
Or not. We must always be examining ourselves to see if we are of the faith as Peter writes. Are you the same now as you were
Before you believed. Do you love Jesus, does it bother you when you sin. Do you deliberately try not to sin or do you deliberately try to sin. Are you sinning less now than you used too? When you rise in the morning do you look at the day ahead and ask God to make it be a day to honor and please him or is it contrary to that. This is how we examine ourself. Remember who you are in Christ. Everything that is yours in Christ is opposite outside of him. The New Testament or New Covenant question is ” Are you in Christ
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Paul Washer has a lot of interesting stuff to share. But I do not agree with all he says. Like, his extreme views on persecution., and telling gatherings of people that most of them will not make it to the Kingdom of Heaven.
If someone in my colony do not throw stones after me today, do not imply that I am not a true follower of Jesus. Washer is radical, but some of his stuff is counter productive, and pushes people away from the truth.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
If you do not have time to read Todd’s comment, why do you expect him to find time to read your video-link?
As a follower of Jesus the Messiah, this was not an appropriate reply. There seems to be a need for an apology.
Shalom.
Apology accepted. Do not stress. Remember your are saved by faith, alone. Not by works that can not save. Please relax, and experience that you are saved. Enjoy just being.
You see, this is the problem with the “doctrine of works lie”. It is so subtle. And those who use it to accuse others forget the fact that they too will only get into heaven because of the blood of Christ.
For some people, the thief on the cross next door would have been told ‘NO WAY’.
Anyone living in outright blatant disobedience and sin against God’s will must repent. I don’t know how else to say it. Apparently, you are not understanding me because if we are all in agreement that Joel Osteen is wrong in what he is preaching..and I am saying no different.
Forgive me, please.. I do not mean any rudeness whatsoever… but I am growing frustrated trying to explain myself and nobody understands what I am saying. However, since i can’t seem to come across correctly, just know that I do not believe in doctrines of works..however, there must be a significant change in our heart when we marry ourselves to Christ by accepting salvation. Salvation cost Jesus His blood..and it is free for us to take. But we must be in Christ. We can’t live like we used to live before we were saved.
That’s all I’m saying. Gotta run. God bless.
I haven’t in any way defended Joel Osteen. Anyone who teaches a way to salvation other than by faith in Christ is an Antichrist.
But anyone who teaches that unrepented sin in a Christian’s life means they have lost the salvation they received as a free gift, is in fact saying they were saved by their own righteousness. After all it is a lack of personal righteousness (sinful life-style) that you seem to be saying is the cause of that loss of salvation.
And if that was true you should be able to tell me at what point in the life of a new born Christian do they accumulate enough righteousness to become saved in the first place. Because I have yet to meet one who is instantly transformed through the renewing of their mind. Or is imediately bearing fruit of the Spirit.
The only righteousness that is acceptable to God is that of Christ. Our own is as filthy rags. The law is one. Break the least commandment, and you are guilty of breaking it all.
There is a price to pay for sin. Ultimately that price is Hell. But for Christians that price was paid, and they are redeemed. That doesn’t mean they won’t suffer the consequences of sin in their lives. We are servants to the one we yield to, and Satan is a hard master. Give him a handle on your life, and he will destroy it.
As I already said: the lie of salvation by works is subtle. It has infiltrated the Church through the slight misinterpretation of numerous passages of scripture, to the extent that many don’t even realise they are preaching it. Most would point at Adventists as an example of living under law rather than grace, without realising they have a fair size dose of the same disease.
I respectfully suggest you take a look on Andrew Wommack’s website. This is a man who preaches the same gospel that Paul preached. It’s a gospel that releases people to serve God, rather than weighing them down with the never-ending guilt and fear of missing the mark.
As long as we live in a body of flesh, we will make mistakes and sin. However, a person who is truly saved can’t live as the unsaved or they are not truly saved.
Although we do definitely disagree on some issues here, you are misunderstanding me to a point.
If what you are saying is correct, then where do you disagree with Osteen? He says gays can go to heaven. Where do you feel Joel is wrong because it sounds to me like you agree with him.
Jesus did NOT die to make it okay for us to sin. Yes, we are saved by works..and not of ourselves..it is a gift of God. We did nothing to deserve the gift of salvation. However, though we sin and make mistakes, we don’t live in it.
Like I said, it sounds to me like you are saying you can take Jesus into your heart, and if you continue in sin, you will suffer here on earth, but still make it to heaven.
Realizing that there is a huge difference between messing up and sinning and living in it… I totally disagree with that.
If I have taken Jesus into my heart, yet I’m married and having an affair with my boss….and I’m an alcoholic and a prostitute, and I do not repent for this (repent, meaning, guilt+confession of sin to God+CEASE the behavior(s)), I do not believe for the life of me that I will go to heaven if I die. This makes a mockery out of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ altogether. Like I said, Jesus did not die to make it okay for me to sin.
In my opinion, your way is the easy way out. It makes my sin okay. In your way of thinking, I should repent because it’s wrong to sin, however, I really don’t need to repent..and so there will never be a reason to truly be convicted for my sin to where I need to change my life of sin. What is the point of getting saved, then?
Your way would would be like a man who robs banks and stores on a regular basis who buys a better gun to defend himself should the police come to arrest him. In other words, salvation is a security in case you die..an insurance policy.
I have ready and studied the entire Bible… and I’ve listened to sound doctrine… I don’t believe we lose our salvation because we make mistakes and sin from time to time. You’ve got me wrong there. I don’t believe we earn our salvation. You’ve got me wrong there too. But I don’t believe that if we ask Jesus into our hearts we can go on LIVING IN a state of sin and unrepentance and truly call ourselves born again. Born again means starting over…beginning our NEW life IN Christ. You can’t live IN sin and be IN Christ.
I would much rather live my life in Christ to the fullest than to be wrong and find out when it’s too late. If you’re truly in love with someone, you want to please them and you want to spend all your time with them, and be loyal to them. Until I truly fell in love with the Lord, I couldn’t please Him. I loved what I knew about Him, but wasn’t actually in love with Him. This was my problem. So I strive to live in Christ because I am truly, madly and deeply in love with Him. And when you are, it makes things so much easier.
No offense to you, and with all due respect, but I have shared now exactly how I feel and what I believe. I would really appreciate it if we could stop arguing the matter and if we could move on. You are not going to change my belief, and i”m not going to change yours. To argue the matter further seems senseless, pointless, and unbeneficial to the glory of God. Again, not trying to be rude..just telling you in advance so you do not think me rude..but this will be my last reply on this matter to you, or anyone else. Enough said. God bless you.
“So do you believe a person who practices homosexuality, takes drugs, and prostitutes themselves can get saved and continue living this way and still go to heaven. Is that correct? Because I disagree. I would say the person was never truly saved.”
I assume you forgot that you asked me the above question by the time you got to your last sentence, because you finished by telling me not to reply. But I will reply, if only so others will learn of the grace of God…
I do know a man who did all that. And a lot more besides. I helped him when he was out of his head on glue. I counselled him when he was suicidal, and I visited him in hospital more than once after he had slashed his wrists. I gave him work on several occasions, and he always stole from me, or cheated me in other ways. I haven’t seen him for a long time, but the last time I spoke to him, he seemed to have grown in the Lord. And I praise God for his mercy and patience with that man whom it took him years to release from the sin that bound him.
You said:
“If you’re truly in love with someone, you want to please them and you want to spend all your time with them, and be loyal to them. Until I truly fell in love with the Lord, I couldn’t please Him. I loved what I knew about Him, but wasn’t actually in love with Him. This was my problem. So I strive to live in Christ because I am truly, madly and deeply in love with Him. And when you are, it makes things so much easier.”
So you too, just like me, were guilty of not obeying the greatest commandment: Love the Lord your God with all your heart…
But we were both still saved during that sin, weren’t we? I mean we can’t claim we didn’t know, or just slipped up, or that it’s not as big a sin as those my friend did because it’s the greatest commandment, right?
Salvation begins with repenting the one sin that makes the difference between heaven or hell. And that’s rejecting Jesus Christ. What follows is the clean-up operation!
are savedby works..and not of ourselves..it is a gift of God.<—- Instead, I meant to write "Yes, we are NOT saved by works…and not of ourselves…it is a gift of God."Absolutely, I agree
Motivation must be from love and gratitude
Live a life of thanks
Have a good day brother
The only thing I can bring myself to pray for, is that people are delivered away from Osteen’s poison, and that Osteen be saved if he is not saved. According to his own doctrines, since he does not believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, then he might not be saved.
“because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.” Romans 1:19-21
That is so sad but true, Anon.
This world is truly upside down, and very quickly going to hell in
the proverbial hand-basket. God bless Lyn. Come quickly Lord!
I was brought up an atheist, so I didn’t consider the sins he describes as being sinful. In fact the only thing the Holy Spirit convicted me of was the Jesus is alive, and Jesus is Lord. It was over a period of time that through reading the Bible I became aware of my sins.
I wander at what point in my walk with Jesus he would say I became saved.
Shalom.
You wrote:
ALL YOU DO IS LOOKING TO SHOOT….WHY NOT LOOK TO BLESS..? THE BIBLE SAYS TO BLESS NOT CURSE..WAKE UP ! Haters
My comment:
God hates sin. Likewise, true Christians hate sins, and call people to repent. That you do not mind the candy coated messages from men like Joel Osteen, will eventually lead you into trouble.
Let me ask you some simple questions:
1. Is there any other God, than the God that took the Hebrews out of Egypt?
2. Is Jesus the Messiah the only way to the Father in Heaven?
3. Can men escape Hell if they do not accept Jesus as Lord and God?
4. Will Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus and New Ager’s have to spend eternity in Hell?
5. Is the Bible, alone, the highest authority in all matter’s of who God is?
Please answer these question, before you pass on more comments.
I just wanted to make one comment re: Albert if I may. There are many like him who go to websites, and do exactly what he’s doing, distracting others from the issue at hand, and involving them in useless disputes. That’s want they do. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing. Still, i can’t wait to see how he answers the questions you have asked him.
Shalom, and a message based on the true love of Jesus.
You reply tells me that you are not interested in answering my questions. So to not bother writing more comments on this site. If I do not see answers, you next massage will be spammed.
Editor.
God’s love includes truth. But Osteen doesn’t teach truth, so Osteen doesn’t have God’s love
They accused the apostle Paul of teaching that same thing. This is why he went to great lengths to prove that he wasn’t.
And if the gospel you preach doesn’t attract similar accusations, it isn’t the same gospel that Paul preached.
WCC to walk in spititual unity with the Papacy
http://ivarfjeld.com/2013/04/06/wcc-to-walk-in-unity-with-the-papacy/
Tveit joined prominent religious and political leaders from around the world at the mass in St Peter’s Square, marking the official start of Francis’s papacy.
Tveit attended the event in order to give a “significant expression of the WCC’s collaboration with the Roman Catholic Church, as well as our mutual commitment to church unity and the ecumenical movement.”
“In close collaboration with Pope Francis, we look forward to building on this positive relationship with the Catholic Church that has been nurtured so carefully in the past,” stated Tveit in his letter to the new pope on 13 March.
Tveit assured Pope Francis of his prayers. “Participating in common prayer to mark the start of Francis’s papacy highlights the ecumenical dimension of our shared spiritual life, the heart of what we share as Christians.”
“Let us use this opportunity to pray for and with Pope Francis to reconfirm that we need one another, to address the challenges of the world in our time,” said Tveit.
Source: World Council of Churches.
My comment:
Church reformer Martin Luther called the Pope for an antichrist.
I guess He would have used the same name for men like Olav Fykse Tveit. Despite being a Lutheran theologian, claiming to stand on the lesson of the Reformation.
To “share the spiritual life” with Roman Catholics, is to approve of their blasphemy and sin against the Holy Spirit.
On News That Matters, there is more than 50 articles about the Popes approval of worship of bones, corpses and skulls. You can read these files, pressing this link.
The book of Revelation exposes the whore of Babylon. She claims to know “god”, but she is the mother of all harlots.
What we are seeing in our days, is that the harlots are returning home to their mother. All kinds of apostate protestant Churches, are returning home to their mother in Rome.
True Messianic Baptist Churches, can simply not “return home”. Because they never came out of Rome, but has its roots back in the Apostolic age. They have never bowed before the Papacy, and they never will.
In their millions, they chose to die like martyrs, refusing to bow before the Papacy and his “mother of God”.
Do likewise.
Repent or perish.
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12 Responses to WCC to walk in spititual unity with the Papacy
That is like using the title “prophet” for Muhammed. He was no more prophet than Fykse Tveit is a man to be revered.
Their name alone will suffice. IMHO.
“Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach”. Hebrews 13:13.
When you wrote,
“…they even don’t know it themselves.”
that is the sad part. Like it says in Revelation
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
“…and knowest not that thou art wretched…..”
“…and knowest not…”
What is really sad is some are, and will stay, willingly ignorant.
Thank you for your respons.
Praise God! He has opened our eyes.
Day by day scripture is fulfilled! Amazing times to be living in!
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Anglican Church in Scotland to host “Chrislam”
March 21, 2013St John’s church and Syed Shah Mustafa Jama Masjid in Aberdeen to be one and the same.
“Religion does not play a role when it comes to friendship and hospitality,” the rector of St John’s church, Rev Isaac Poobalan told The Guardian.
“They transcend the religious divide.”
The Syed Shah Mustafa Jama Masjid in Aberdeen has become unable to accommodate the growing numbers of worshippers, leaving many Muslims to pray in the streets.
This prompted St. John’s church officials to offer help to Muslims to perform their religious duties.
“If they all squeezed in very tightly about 60 or 70 people could fit inside,” said Poobolan.
Source: Onislam.net
My comment:
Since Islam says: “allah” have no son equal to Him self, this “god” can simply not be the God of the Bible. Because Father, Son and Holy Spirit is One God. Equally God.
The Bible speaks about “gods” that are not “gods” at all, but demons.
To permit Muslims to pray inside Churches, is of no use for the Kingdom of Heaven. And since their “allah” is no “god” at all, they invite deceptive spirits to enter both buildings and hearts.
In an eternal perspective, this is a punishable crime. Those who indulge in this, will not escape judgment.
People are lead astray, and into the eternal fire of Hell. Blessed by the Anglican priests and bishops, who have permitted this falsehood to take place. If they do not repent, they will share the same destiny as the Muslims they have invited.
Repent or perish
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All roads leads back to the Papacy in Rome
March 20, 2013On his left will be heads of state and ministers including President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Vice President Joe Biden and congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.
Delegations from 132 countries have confirmed their presence at the ceremony which officially marks the beginning of Pope Francis’s pontificate. These include six reigning sovereigns, 31 heads of state, three crown princes, 11 heads of government and many other dignitaries.
But the Vatican, keen to avoid accusations that it had invited the likes of Jesuit-educated Mugabe to the Mass, has stressed that no one received invitations.
“The delegations are coming to Rome following information of the event made public by the [Vatican] Secretary of State,” said Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi. “There were no ‘invitations’ sent out. All who wish to come are warmly welcomed.”
Source: Newsmax.com
My comment:
When Jesus the Messiah faced the religious authorities in Jerusalem, they persecuted Him. The men who worked for Rome crucified Him.
When the Pope in Rome face the World, He is hailed by all religious leaders. Even dictators travel seven seas across to honor the claimed “Holy Father”.
There seems to be something fishy here, that has absolutely nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.
We know that the last and final antichrist shall be worshiped of almost all men. Only those who obey the Word of God will call the bluff, and expose the bluff makers.
Stay away from this assembly of the wicked.
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Diplomats of all religions hail the Pope
March 20, 2013Every January, the Pope greets a corps of 178 Ambassadors inside the Vatican. They all hail the Pontiff.
The Pope is above the law, and is not touchable. Still he is worshiped by leaders who represent all nations and religions, dictatorships and democracies alike. The pontiff fits perfectly into this Bible verse.
Revelation 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
It is amazing that the US and Iran both have representatives hailing the Pope, even though they can not sit eye to eye in the United Nations.
The beast in the Vatican, came to power by another beast. From 1929, they were riding together. 1929 was the year, fascist leader Benito Mussolini gifted the Pope a statehood inside the capital of Italy.
For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.
Revelation 17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
Every January, the pope delivers his annual “state of the world” address to the diplomatic corps at the Vatican.
Lets take a look at what one blogger wrote about the Popes address January 11th 2010.
Revelation 18:3
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Source for information about the Diplomatic corps in the Vatican.
What is the Papal mission. Do the Pope represent Jesus the Messiah on Earth?
Lets take a look:
ADDRESS OF POPE BENEDICT XVI
TO THE JORDANIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS, MUSLIM LEADERS AND RECTORS OF UNIVERSITIES
AL-HUSSEIN BIN TALAL MOSQUE
AMMAN,9 MAY 2009
Source of Pope’s statement in Amman.
The Pope deletes the name of Jesus, and do represent a different kingdom, than the Kingdom of the King of Kings in Heaven. The Vatican’s authority has come up from the abyss.
The Vatican statehood will not stand in the day of judgment, like all other nations on Earth. The Papal statehood will be destroyed when Jesus returns. All the diplomats will be stripped of all their medals.
Today there is luxury, and unlimited parties. But when the party-killer Jesus returns, they will all weep and mourn.
Revelation 18:9
[ Threefold Woe Over Babylon’s Fall ] “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.
First published 8th of January, 2011.
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Our Lady of China will merge Buddhism with Rome
March 14, 2013How many Roman Catholics knows that their church claim “Jesus” appeared as a Chinese? And His “mother” as a Chinese empress.
Source: Catholic Culture.
My comment:
To get the Chinese onboard the Universal One World religion, obviously there must a Roman Catholic Chinese copy of “Jesus”. Our Lady of China is the one and only, who have delivered a“Chinese Messiah”. She her self dressed up as a Chinese empress.
Jesus the Messiah was raised in an Israeli city called Nazareth, born by a Jewish virgin. His step father was a local carpenter. After Jesus ascended into Heaven from Jerusalem, He promised that no one would see Him again, before His second coming. The Holy Spirit became His representative on Earth.
A better display of demonic activity can not be found, than the Roman Catholic claim of a appearances of “Mother and child” as two Chinese. There is hardly any religious fraud the Vatican is not willing to promote, as long as it contribute to the emergence of a“global church”, that will accept the Pope as their head.
The Pope has approved this falsehood, as recoded by AsiaNews on 16th of May 2008.
Source: AsiaNews.
Here are some more pictures of the Babylonian prostitute, and her false Messiah.
Vatican: Pope to strengthen special relations with the PLO
April 21, 2012To secure Churches in the Palestinian territories, the “Holy See will strengthening the special relations with the PLO”.
The Vatican signed a Basic Agreement with the PLO in 2000. The talks aimed at a comprehensive international agreement regulating and promoting the presence and activities of the Catholic Church in the Palestinian Territories.
“The talks were co-chaired by Msgr. Ettore Balestrero, under secretary for the Holy See’s relations with States, and Ziad Al-Bandak, the president’s advisor for Christian relations. The talks were held in a cordial atmosphere.
“Both sides agreed on establishing a working group to elaborate the aforementioned comprehensive agreement”.
Source: Vatican Press release.
My reply:
The Vatican is of course flattered that an Islamic terrorist organization promises to hold Catholic Churches open in a proposed Islamic statehood, that will become a Jew-free zone.
Just like Catholic churches struck a deal with Hitler to keep Catholic Churches open, while the Jews were slaughtered in gas chambers by the “German liberation organization” who ruled in Berlin.
It is a shame, that there is totally silence from the Vatican, in regards to the PLO and the Islamic Worlds refusal to recognize the state of Israel. The Vatican is also hailing Mahmoud Abbas, a holocaust denier.
First published: 13th of December 2010.
Written Ivar
Pope: “Catholics and Muslims one family loved by God our creator”
April 15, 2012This is a statement by the Pope Benedict XVI in 2008, recorded by Zenit News Agency, a Catholic news provider. The Pope addressed the members of the newly formed Catholic-Muslim Forum at the conclusion of its three-day seminar.
The forum is comprised of 29 members of each creed and was formed by the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue and representatives of the 138 Muslim leaders who sent an open letter to Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders in October 2007.
“This love, as indicated by the Holy and Beloved Prophet Muhammad, is prior to the human love for the One True God. A Hadith indicates that God’s loving compassion for humanity is even greater than that of a mother for her child”.
The Protestant Christian response to the Pope”s initiative to include Muslims in “Gods family” is interesting reading. Both the Presbyterian Church in the USA and United Methodist Church agree with the Vatican. Take a look at some of the supporting letters below this article.
Source: Zenit
Article in Catholic online.
“Catholics and Muslims started to do charity together in 1985″
This is written on the web pages of CNEWA.Under the department for “Ecumenical and inter religious activities”, you can read the following:
“The restructuring of CNEWA initiated in 1985 under the presidency of Cardinal John O’Connor not only led to a major expansion of programmatic activities and the development of additional regional offices, but to a renewed and greater emphasis on the ecumenical aspect of CNEWA’s foundational mission”.
“Although the primary beneficiaries of CNEWA’s funding activities continued to be the Eastern Catholic churches and their institutions and programs, increasingly support began to be given to the Orthodox and other churches in the countries within CNEWA’s area of service”.
“This was a conscious and deliberate return to CNEWA’s original mandate, inherited from the Catholic Union, to work for the union of the Orthodox churches with the Holy See and to make CNEWA active in the “dialogue of charity.”
“By extension, some deployment of CNEWA’s resources also began to be made to assist Muslims and other non-Christians through their participation in CNEWA’s works of charity”.
Source: CNEWA
My comment:
While the reformers of the Church, all branded the Pope in Rome as an anti-Christ, most of the nations on Earth have already accepted him as a great leader.
They all have Ambassadors in the Vatican, and let the Papal system have an Embassy in their capitals.
Those who are waiting for the rule of anti-Christ, do not have to look longer than to their own President, King or Prime Minister. Most of them have bowed down and kissed the ring of the Lawless one in Rome.
If you serve a Pastor or work for a Christian leader who do not talk about the anti-Christ. Just ask him this question:
Is the Pope of Rome an antichrist?
If the answer is “no”, please run for your life, and take shelter among true followers of Jesus the Messiah.
Here is the link to this anti-Christian forum in Rome. And the web-site where you find the down under displayed “Christian”responses.
Claim to be Christian Churches welcomes the Muslims as the children of God
Take a look at these letters sent to the Vatican:Written by Ivar
Paving the way for the One World religion of global “peacemakers”
April 15, 2012Most Christians are not aware that various Interfaith forums have reached an advanced phase of finding the great compromise in the name of “peace”.
This European “Peace forum” has acknowledge the so-called Tripoli Declearation. This declaration is signed and promoted by The African Council of Religious Leaders, representing all major religious traditions and faith communities from 26 African countries
What does the Bible says about such a high co-chair office?
2 Corinthians 6:13-15
As a fair exchange—I speak as to my children—open wide your hearts also.
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?
What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
Lets take a look on letter head of this religious African Peace forum. Click at the documents, and you will get an enlarged view.
This letter head exposed a unity based up on a claimed desire for peace on Earth. Lets also study the signatures of the co-chair, and their written blessing of each other.
Will their signatures of peace bring any of these two religious leaders closer to Jesus of the Bible, so they can be saved from this corrupt generation?
Rome and Mecca has already found the balancing point, in the name of “peace”.
Only a few issue are left before the perfect agreement can be signed. Like:
Who will be the head?
Who will be the leader of this New One World religion of many faith’s serving the same god of peace?
The Bible says the Jews will be fooled into a false peace agreement, that will bring the last antichrist into the temple in Jerusalem.
When we study the list of religious leaders who have join this European Interfaith forum, we see the Prophetic Word being fulfilled in our generation.
Read the list of religious leaders who have joined and support this global movement.
First published: 02.08.2010.
Written by Ivar
Islam and Vatican in agreement on «god» and the Queen of Heaven
April 14, 2012The Koran brands Jesus as Jesus son of Mary. Not Jesus the Son of God. The Vatican includes Muslims as a part of God`s plan of salvation.
The Roman Catholic faith and the Muslim faith is also in agreement in regards to Jesus the Son of Mary. They basically serve the same «Jesus». The problem is that non of them serve Jesus as God, God the Son, the only way to our Father God in Heaven.
In Islam Jesus the Son of Mary is only a prophet, who can not even save him self. In the Roman Catholic Faith, their «Jesus» is the Son of the Mother of God, the pagan Queen of Heaven. «Jesus of Rome» is not the only begotten Son of God the Father. Who does not have a «wife», or a Queen of Heaven by his side.
Both the «Catholic Jesus» and the «Jesus of Islam» are deceptions, copy-cats of the Jewish Jesus of Nazareth.
First, the Koran portrays Jesus Christ as a prophet, unique in His preincarnate nature, miraculous birth, miracles and moral stature. Muslims revere Jesus Christ. As the Koran states:
The angels said to Mary:
Surah 3:45-3:46.
«Allah bids you rejoice in a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary. He shall be noble in this world and in the world to come, and shall be one of those who are favored. He shall preach to men in his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life.”
And remember the angels’ words to Mary. They said: “[Allah] has chosen you. He has made you pure and exalted you above womankind.”
Surah 19:30-32.
«Whereupon [Jesus] spoke and said: “I am the servant of [Allah]. He has given me the Book and ordained me a prophet. His blessing is upon me wherever I go, and He has exhorted me to be steadfast in prayer and to give alms as long as I shall live. He has exhorted me to honor my mother and has purged me of vanity and wickedness».
This is not expressed in public in Catholic Churches, but it is a doctrine of the Vatican. If you dont believe me, juste read Catholic Catechism as it is presented on the official website of the Vatican. Paragraph # 841.
Behold, if you are in a Church which make you worship a false Messiah, You are lost, and will end up in the eternal punishment of Hell. You have been deceived by your priests and teachers, and will be in need of deliverance.
Because the only way into the Kingdom of Heaven goes through the Jewish Messiah, God the Son, Jesus of Nazareth. Only if cleansed by the blood of Jesus, the only blood that can cleanse us from our sins, man can escape the fire of Hell.
First published: June 28th, 2009.
Written by Ivar
Vatican: Peace with Buddhists is the Golden Way to Peace
April 12, 2012The Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue emphasizes the quest for truth that is shared by Buddhists and Catholics.
The message, titled “Seeking Truth in Freedom: Christians and Buddhists Live in Peace,” was publicized yesterday by the Vatican.
Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, the council’s president and secretary Archbishop Pier Luigi Celata prayed that the celebration “may bring serenity and joy to Buddhists throughout the world.”
The message to Buddhists concluded with a statement that bonds Buddhists and Catholics:
Source: zenit zenit (letter)
My comment:
What the Vatican is doing is spiritual prostitution; a fornication with the religions of the world to gather all them under her ‘leadership.’ The Roman Catholic Church is frantically pursuing dialogue with Muslim, atheists, Christians and Buddhists. She is surely the prostitute drunk with the blood of the saints.
If you are Catholic, as I was, please heed this article as a warning. The Vatican is leading their members into darkness as the Church flatters world religions with sweet-talk and compromise. What a blasphemy. What lies. Their “dialogue” will end in world religion with the Pope as it’s head.
These men act holy in their fine robes and hats while they deny the Gospel, making His word null and void. Was the Gospel being preached to the Buddhists? No. Did they tell them to stop following false gods? Again, no.
Dear Catholics, please see what the Vatican is doing and turn to the Only One that saves, Lord Jesus the Messiah. In Him alone, you will find Life Everlasting.
Psalm 146:3
Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save
Rev 17: 3-6
Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead:
mystery
babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
Matthew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
First published: 04.04.2011.
Written by Sue